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The inconsistency of the 250 class makes Deeg's look better than he is. 

HonDawg17 wrote:

Is Deegan better than Jett was on a 250? Because Jett got beat a lot on a 250..

I think Deegan we saw this year would have beat Jett in his first 250 outdoor title season. But I think Jett was at a much bigger disadvantage on that Honda 250 compared to the Honda now. 

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The inconsistency of the 250 class makes Deeg's look better than he is. 

HonDawg17 wrote:

Is Deegan better than Jett was on a 250? Because Jett got beat a lot on a 250..

soggy wrote:
I think Deegan we saw this year would have beat Jett in his first 250 outdoor title season. But I think Jett was at a much...

I think Deegan we saw this year would have beat Jett in his first 250 outdoor title season. But I think Jett was at a much bigger disadvantage on that Honda 250 compared to the Honda now. 

The Honda is better now, but is the Yamaha better? Based on the rest of Star’s results, maybe not

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11/5/2024 8:03am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2024 8:06am

The Honda is better now, but is the Yamaha better? Based on the rest of Star’s results, maybe not

That’s what I was trying to say. The Honda Jett raced was at a larger disadvantage. I’m sure the Yamaha has also gotten better but everyone has closed to gap to the Yamaha in the last few years kawi most notably but Honda as well. 

that time period when it seemed like you just give someone a star bike and they immediately contend are over(they also hired really good riders). They are now taking a throw shit and see what sticks strategy.

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

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The Honda is better now, but is the Yamaha better? Based on the rest of Star’s results, maybe not

Outside of Deegan, Star's results weren't related to the equipment. Look at who was on those 250's, not race winning champions that's for sure. They could barely sniff the top five let alone top twenty. Star signing Max Anstie and Michael Moisman has me 🤨 hate to say it, but those two aren't adding a #1 plate to that semi door. I'm excited to see what Pierce Brown does, you know Haiden will win races. I hope Dax has a better sophmore year. One can see that Star is grasping for talent. Chewing them up and spitting them out isn't working, clearly they haven't learned that yet.

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

DonM wrote:
They weren’t as inconsistent as you think….you may want to re-look at the results again…they just beat each other while Deegan was winning more…but of course...

They weren’t as inconsistent as you think….you may want to re-look at the results again…they just beat each other while Deegan was winning more…but of course you can be like ole Tease and make statements about consistency as an excuse, but at the end of the day its just that …an excuse…everyone made mistakes Deegan just recovered better…and as far as the old guys, there are really only 3 and none of them finished in the top 10…

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They were very inconsistent...here are some results:By the end of Southwick (round 5) Deegan had a 44 point championship lead.Out of all the other riders over...

They were very inconsistent...here are some results:

By the end of Southwick (round 5) Deegan had a 44 point championship lead.

Out of all the other riders over 22 motos, only 10 times did anyone put together two moto podium finishes on the same day, and five of those times were by Kitchen.  His championship run was pretty much ruined by a streak of 6 motos where he finished between fourth and tenth.

Regarding age and results, not many "old" guys but quite a few that have been in the class for a long time now with not much to show for it.

Hampshire and Smith have been in the class for 9-10 years, with one title to RJ.  Between them they have four outdoor wins and nine SX wins.

Shimoda, Masterpool and Swoll have all been in 250's for six years; Pierce Brown five years, and Kitchen four years.  Among that lot they have nine outdoor wins, just six SX wins and zero titles.

Outside of Deegan the best performing 250 guy in the last couple of years has been Vialle.

 

Thats not telling the whole story.

I watched live as Kitchen almost won a championship this year.

The lawrence/ando beef was crazy 😂

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11/5/2024 10:21am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2024 10:24am
ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

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Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

Oh that's gonna ruffle some feathers.

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Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

Deegan has one title. Maybe pump the brakes a little. 

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

Deegan has one title. Maybe pump the brakes a little. 

Do you see them on a collision course and battling for titles for years when deeg moves up? (Barring major injuries)

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Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Deegan has one title. Maybe pump the brakes a little. 

Same amount Jett had entering year three. With more wins…

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

It's because Deegan's fans have already anointed him as Jett's greatest challenge.  Therefore, if you disagree with this you're going to put up an argument, whether you're a Jett fan or not.

By the way, the claim Jett fans are the most hostile to Deegan goes the other way.  The biggest Jett haters on this site all blow Deegan deep and long on a daily basis. 

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Haha, try again Marissa.  Comparing the 250 class to the 450s?  Give me a break and hurry along to your botox appointment. 

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Herr Lich wrote:

Haha, try again Marissa.  Comparing the 250 class to the 450s?  Give me a break and hurry along to your botox appointment. 

What's up Hair Licker....you think you could make a comment without calling people names and personally attacking them? Is that too much to ask.... 

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DonM wrote:

What's up Hair Licker....you think you could make a comment without calling people names and personally attacking them? Is that too much to ask.... 

Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You continually do stuff like this. 

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The inconsistency of the 250 class makes Deeg's look better than he is. 

HonDawg17 wrote:

Is Deegan better than Jett was on a 250? Because Jett got beat a lot on a 250..

No. 

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971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Herr Lich wrote:

Haha, try again Marissa.  Comparing the 250 class to the 450s?  Give me a break and hurry along to your botox appointment. 

DonM wrote:

What's up Hair Licker....you think you could make a comment without calling people names and personally attacking them? Is that too much to ask.... 

The cuddle room waits for you Don.

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DonM wrote:

What's up Hair Licker....you think you could make a comment without calling people names and personally attacking them? Is that too much to ask.... 

Farmer J wrote:
Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You...

Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You continually do stuff like this. 

Don't forget I also apologized....Hair Licker attacks everyone that has a different opinion than him...

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What time does Deegan race? 

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Farmer J wrote:
Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You...

Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You continually do stuff like this. 

DonM doesn't do that in every single post though.  HairyLicker can hardly make a post that doesn't have an insult or name calling in it, he/she/they seems to have some serious issues that he/she/they need to work out with themself.

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Farmer J wrote:
Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You...

Pot meet kettle. You did exactly what you're complaining about. Don't forget the meltdown you had on me calling me names and cussing me out. You continually do stuff like this. 

LungButter wrote:
DonM doesn't do that in every single post though.  HairyLicker can hardly make a post that doesn't have an insult or name calling in it, he/she/they...

DonM doesn't do that in every single post though.  HairyLicker can hardly make a post that doesn't have an insult or name calling in it, he/she/they seems to have some serious issues that he/she/they need to work out with themself.

Haha, just like DonMaeda in his post you resort to name-calling while calling me out for name-calling!  And yes, I know I've done the same thing in this post. 

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Herr Lich wrote:

Haha, try again Marissa.  Comparing the 250 class to the 450s?  Give me a break and hurry along to your botox appointment. 

DonM wrote:

What's up Hair Licker....you think you could make a comment without calling people names and personally attacking them? Is that too much to ask.... 

The cuddle room waits for you Don.

Yes, a nice warm Brian cuddle. 

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How about we all keep this fun and civil Wink I love Jett but I am hoping Haiden will be the racer that rises to the challenge in time. I admire both guys not to mention just about anyone that can ride well enough to compete in SMX. Ok, back to busting each other's chops!

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11/5/2024 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2024 6:01pm
DonM wrote:
They weren’t as inconsistent as you think….you may want to re-look at the results again…they just beat each other while Deegan was winning more…but of course...

They weren’t as inconsistent as you think….you may want to re-look at the results again…they just beat each other while Deegan was winning more…but of course you can be like ole Tease and make statements about consistency as an excuse, but at the end of the day its just that …an excuse…everyone made mistakes Deegan just recovered better…and as far as the old guys, there are really only 3 and none of them finished in the top 10…

ando wrote:
They were very inconsistent...here are some results:By the end of Southwick (round 5) Deegan had a 44 point championship lead.Out of all the other riders over...

They were very inconsistent...here are some results:

By the end of Southwick (round 5) Deegan had a 44 point championship lead.

Out of all the other riders over 22 motos, only 10 times did anyone put together two moto podium finishes on the same day, and five of those times were by Kitchen.  His championship run was pretty much ruined by a streak of 6 motos where he finished between fourth and tenth.

Regarding age and results, not many "old" guys but quite a few that have been in the class for a long time now with not much to show for it.

Hampshire and Smith have been in the class for 9-10 years, with one title to RJ.  Between them they have four outdoor wins and nine SX wins.

Shimoda, Masterpool and Swoll have all been in 250's for six years; Pierce Brown five years, and Kitchen four years.  Among that lot they have nine outdoor wins, just six SX wins and zero titles.

Outside of Deegan the best performing 250 guy in the last couple of years has been Vialle.

 

DonM wrote:
Very inconsistent? not quite its as I said they were beating each other while Deegan was beating them as a group...not sure what you're looking for...

Very inconsistent? not quite its as I said they were beating each other while Deegan was beating them as a group...not sure what you're looking for but if you look at the history of the sport regardless of whether it's GP's or US it's rare to find a points race in the 250's that doesn't look exactly like this years... and as I said the "old" guys were a non-factor....it appears your definition of old is not by age but by years in the class regardless if they are all under the age of 25....not sure what point you're trying to make here but your expectations what 250 racing should be and what it is historically has not had guys going 1-1 and 2-2 or 1-2 or 2-1 throughout a series what you typically have is one guy that is winning more than the others as the rest race for 2nd... and beat up on each other...for the most part it was the same guys finishing 2 thru 5 every race. 

Points gap between 1 and 2 after 6 rounds.  * denotes that the points leader after round 6 was not the eventual title winner.

2024 - 52

2023 - 5*

2022 - 15

2021 - 6*

2020 - 3

2019 - 23

2018 - 23

2017 - 38

2016 - 11

2015 - 7*

2014 - 23

2013 - 7*

2012 - 19

2011 - 14

2010 - 33*

2009 - 9*

2008 - 95

2007 - 0

2006 - 3

2005 - 16*

I've only gone back 20 years but this year was the second highest points lead after six rounds, only the fourth time in twenty years that the points leader had more than a one moto lead, and only the second time that the lead was more than two motos.

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

No, the 450 class was pretty weak in 2023.  Chase was out long enough to not be in title contention, Eli was out, Kenny only raced one round.  I don't think that made any difference to him winning the title, but it almost certainly contributed to his undefeated season.  

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Let's say hypothetically that Deegan moved up to 450 next year.  Who would be the pick to win SX and MX titles in the 250 class?  To me it's a real crap shoot; it would be difficult to narrow it down to even two or three riders.

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ando wrote:
It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of...

It’s not an unreasonable take that the 250 class is overall somewhat weak at the moment.  Aside from Deegan (and maybe Vialle), it’s mostly full of older guys who still haven’t won anything and a lot of younger riders who haven’t lived up to their potential (yet).

In 250MX this year Deegan was clearly the class of the field but the rest could barely string two good motos together.

971_Fan wrote:

As opposed to the 450 class when Jett went 22-0?  

Why is it that Jett fans in particular seem to be Deegan’s harshest critics?  

Because he’s potentially a threat, despite what they are willing to admit

72 wins is a lot harder with a rival trading W’s

Potentially he is a threat, potentially.  Right now, Jett has the runs on the board, Deegan doesn't.

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ando wrote:
Let's say hypothetically that Deegan moved up to 450 next year.  Who would be the pick to win SX and MX titles in the 250 class...

Let's say hypothetically that Deegan moved up to 450 next year.  Who would be the pick to win SX and MX titles in the 250 class?  To me it's a real crap shoot; it would be difficult to narrow it down to even two or three riders.

I would say Levi - provided he can sort out his inconsistency.  Shimoda has not changed, so he's out. I'm not sure about SX, but in terms of MX, Hymas could do it. 

 

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ando wrote:
No, the 450 class was pretty weak in 2023.  Chase was out long enough to not be in title contention, Eli was out, Kenny only raced...

No, the 450 class was pretty weak in 2023.  Chase was out long enough to not be in title contention, Eli was out, Kenny only raced one round.  I don't think that made any difference to him winning the title, but it almost certainly contributed to his undefeated season.  

I agree. And that's not to take anything away from Jett because every undefeated season (RC and Stewart) was pretty thin. 

People are naturally going to compare Haiden and Jett, but both are awesome and headed for more titles. Until they meet up, it's all speculation but Haiden has a ways to go. 

 

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Points gap between 1 and 2 after 6 rounds.  * denotes that the points leader after round 6 was not the eventual title winner.2024 - 522023...

Points gap between 1 and 2 after 6 rounds.  * denotes that the points leader after round 6 was not the eventual title winner.

2024 - 52

2023 - 5*

2022 - 15

2021 - 6*

2020 - 3

2019 - 23

2018 - 23

2017 - 38

2016 - 11

2015 - 7*

2014 - 23

2013 - 7*

2012 - 19

2011 - 14

2010 - 33*

2009 - 9*

2008 - 95

2007 - 0

2006 - 3

2005 - 16*

I've only gone back 20 years but this year was the second highest points lead after six rounds, only the fourth time in twenty years that the points leader had more than a one moto lead, and only the second time that the lead was more than two motos.

So what your saying is that other than RV nobody has been able to dominate through 6 rounds like Haiden?


Thats pretty good company little Deegs is keeping. 

Thanks for pulling those stats to confirm the kids a fucking bad ass, much appreciated. 

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