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With a crosswind like that he should have diverted or gone into a holding pattern until the winds died down.

The tower gave him clearance to land, so they felt the pilot would be ok. I think a gust came at the last minute and tossed the plane over, but the pilot caught it before a crash. if anything, the tower should have diverted him to another airport.

He should have flown the missed around 34-36 seconds and took that as a practice run in near ground effect. By the time 39 seconds comes around he was forcing it and came into ground affect way to fast. He was high and fast, sinking fast and really got a big ground effect push. Add in the crosswind and that is what you get. It looked like he was well past the threshold and really tried to force it. I heard he landed it on the next attempt so he must have learned something on that run. He really should have flown the missed a little sooner. By the time he flew the missed and went into pattern it was probably 20 min. before he had another attempt. Winds might have died down some or he had a better gauge of what to expect and adapted. All just my opinion.

I'm sure it's in violation of his company's and standard SOP's. Stable approach at 1000~ agl till touchdown, otherwise abort.(SEE SWA accidents in BUR and MDW) Should have diverted, landed on a different runway, or held until conditions changed. Even a landing attempt with winds over the demonstrated crosswind component is enough to receive a pink slip. (See AAL md80 that went into the ILS array in Little Rock or the FedEx MD-10 a woman crashed in MEM)

BTW-33kn crowwsind, gusts to 50. For an A320 the max is 33, g38.

Case closed, he'll probably loose his job.

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[quote="docweedon":tbxyjcf1]The tower gave him clearance to land, so they felt the pilot would be ok. I think a gust came at the last minute and tossed the plane over, but the pilot caught it before a crash. if anything, the tower should have diverted him to another airport.[/quote:tbxyjcf1]
It doesn't work like this, airports only close under the most extreme circumstances(Severe TS/Heavy Snow). ATC is there to provide information and traffic guidance, not make the PIC's call.

Zac did you see this wanna be jockey?
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Yea, I think we discussed that on motopen. I've done a delivery pass over that same runway, but not with gear up at 50 feet. That was pretty risky, I don't blame the higher up's for canning him.

The people in that plane must have been shitting their pants! My uncles is a commercial pilot also, and he thinks the guy will be fired. No excuse for putting that many lives at risk.

If the winds were as strong as the news reported them to be, the Crew should not have even attempted that landing. Very poor judgement on their part.

It's almost comical because the Captain of the aircraft is being hailed as heroic for his piloting abilities. In actuality, he's probably going to be scrutinized very heavily by the local aviation authorities and also his Chief Pilot for his decision to attempt a landing in those conditions. My guess is,he'll probably lose his job.

Hi Capt. Douchebag, Thanks for not killing everyone. You're fired.

[quote:1874atcp]It's almost comical because the Captain of the aircraft is being hailed as heroic for his piloting abilities.[/quote:1874atcp] I was eating breakfast at a hotel this morning, they showed that clip and were talking about how much of a 'hero' he was. Managed to get quite a few laughs out of the crews eating their cheerios.

I hate seeing anyone get canned, but he brought it upon himself. It's not your job to risk a 50 million dollar machine, It's all pretty easy.

Airlines have guidelines for everything, this helps ensure the safe operation. It's all about knowing the book.

[b:1874atcp]If A then B do/don't do C[/b:1874atcp]

If there is a [b:1874atcp]more[/b:1874atcp] than a 10kn crosswind, and the runway is [b:1874atcp]wet don't[/b:1874atcp] land.

If you're [b:1874atcp]not[/b:1874atcp] stable at 1000agl, and [b:1874atcp]not[/b:1874atcp] in landing configuration [b:1874atcp]don't[/b:1874atcp] land.


It's tempting to break the rules and get back to the hotel, but it's not worth it. It's no fun being at the wrong end of that long table. Been there, done that.

Pilots are silly...

not an uncommon misconception - the flight crew actually carries ultimate responsibility for the operation of their aircraft.

The captain is literally the captain of his ship. ATC is basically here to settle traffic disputes. I Iook at it like this - we, as controllers, request pilots to turn, climb, descend, whatever. A flight crew has the right to deny any ATC instruction and execute a different course of action. Of course, there's a little more to this and it doesn't happen very often.

ATC should not deny an approach or landing clearance based on weather. ATC is responsible for providing the flight crew with proper weather information in a timely manner, helping them to make the correct decision as to whether they should continue or not.