Cooksey kicked out of budds creek by mx sports

8/18/2024 12:27pm
One of the things I like about this sport is that it is youtube friendly, in the hours and days after an event there is tons...

One of the things I like about this sport is that it is youtube friendly, in the hours and days after an event there is tons of coverage on youtube to keep me interested until the next round.  You could even make an argument that Youtube benefits more then NBC from all the contend that they get.  I hope this is not the start of a crack down on youtubers at SX/MX events.

I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow...

I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow a timeline. with more footage allowed as more time passes after the live event.  I copied this from the media application on MXsports website for pro mot.

 

Videos:  Video recording of any kind is prohibited without prior written approval from MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Upon approval, video access is permitted both in the paddock and on the racetrack. All recorded footage is the property of MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Any media taking video without approval will forfeit their credential, and the footage will be confiscated. MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc., reserves the right to request the removal of any unapproved videos from publication.

A content publisher may use videotaped or filmed excerpts of an event for news purposes up to 48 hours after the completion of the event to which they pertain.

Highlights within the 48-hour period must not exceed two minutes from any one event.

Under no circumstances may “live” excerpts of an event in progress be distributed.

For broadcast footage, a visual “courtesy” of at least four seconds must be given as the highlights appear, the visual “courtesy” should read “Courtesy SuperMotocross League/NBC Sports” and must be clearly visible.

Any video or photography of race action posted on any web site (including blogs and social media) or otherwise transmitted online may be used only for news and editorial coverage of the event and must abide by the media highlights regulations listed above.

Use of any video or photograph for commercial, advertising, or promotional purpose is strictly prohibited, without prior written consent of MX Sports Pro Racing and/or the SMX League.

No sponsorship or advertising may be used in a manner that implies any association between any the advertiser and MX Sports Pro Racing and/or any race team or individual rider.

Online use of any videos or photos shall constitute acceptance of these terms and conditions.

During the first 72 hours immediately following the competition, no more than 5 minutes of highlights per event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds.

Commencing 72 hours after the competition, no more than 10 minutes of highlights per Event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds. 

MXMattii wrote:

But he wasn't there under media accreditation.

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed. 

 Are you arguing that any random person should be able to call themselves media when it is convenient and call themselves a regular person when it is not?    

 I have not read what he agreed to as far as the type of pass he had.   I do know that while my buddy and I were doing our little show I had press credentials and knew that a livestream was not something they would allow if we were doing it trackside/in the stadium . So I looked for a loophole. And my general admission tickets to the stadium also had a list of things I could not do. It also prohibited livestreaming from the stadium.  

 

 Has anybody looked up what the policy is for allowing regular ticket holders to livestream?   He himself even says he was just there to watch the race. Not there trying to expose some big issue.  So he was stopped from doing something that most likely  anybody else would be stopped from doing.  . 

 

 The rules about delaying footage are there to help keep the streaming rights value. They help the sport.  Its not like he was covering a live crime being committed.

 

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I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow...

I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow a timeline. with more footage allowed as more time passes after the live event.  I copied this from the media application on MXsports website for pro mot.

 

Videos:  Video recording of any kind is prohibited without prior written approval from MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Upon approval, video access is permitted both in the paddock and on the racetrack. All recorded footage is the property of MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Any media taking video without approval will forfeit their credential, and the footage will be confiscated. MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc., reserves the right to request the removal of any unapproved videos from publication.

A content publisher may use videotaped or filmed excerpts of an event for news purposes up to 48 hours after the completion of the event to which they pertain.

Highlights within the 48-hour period must not exceed two minutes from any one event.

Under no circumstances may “live” excerpts of an event in progress be distributed.

For broadcast footage, a visual “courtesy” of at least four seconds must be given as the highlights appear, the visual “courtesy” should read “Courtesy SuperMotocross League/NBC Sports” and must be clearly visible.

Any video or photography of race action posted on any web site (including blogs and social media) or otherwise transmitted online may be used only for news and editorial coverage of the event and must abide by the media highlights regulations listed above.

Use of any video or photograph for commercial, advertising, or promotional purpose is strictly prohibited, without prior written consent of MX Sports Pro Racing and/or the SMX League.

No sponsorship or advertising may be used in a manner that implies any association between any the advertiser and MX Sports Pro Racing and/or any race team or individual rider.

Online use of any videos or photos shall constitute acceptance of these terms and conditions.

During the first 72 hours immediately following the competition, no more than 5 minutes of highlights per event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds.

Commencing 72 hours after the competition, no more than 10 minutes of highlights per Event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds. 

MXMattii wrote:

But he wasn't there under media accreditation.

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed.  Are you arguing that any random person should be able to...

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed. 

 Are you arguing that any random person should be able to call themselves media when it is convenient and call themselves a regular person when it is not?    

 I have not read what he agreed to as far as the type of pass he had.   I do know that while my buddy and I were doing our little show I had press credentials and knew that a livestream was not something they would allow if we were doing it trackside/in the stadium . So I looked for a loophole. And my general admission tickets to the stadium also had a list of things I could not do. It also prohibited livestreaming from the stadium.  

 

 Has anybody looked up what the policy is for allowing regular ticket holders to livestream?   He himself even says he was just there to watch the race. Not there trying to expose some big issue.  So he was stopped from doing something that most likely  anybody else would be stopped from doing.  . 

 

 The rules about delaying footage are there to help keep the streaming rights value. They help the sport.  Its not like he was covering a live crime being committed.

 

Bro they didn’t kick him out bc of the live stream but you already knew that. 

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Cooksey has since responded. You can find his response on his YouTube channel. To think DC had nothing to do with it is naïve to say the least. Moving this to the trash bin just makes the whole situation look worse for those defending the actions of basically trying to silence DC's and MX Sports critics.  

 

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I can see both sides of the argument. What raises a red flag for me is if this was truly about the live stream why is it still up? If someone uploads or streams and the rights owner isn't happy about it it gets removed immedietly. If they really kicked him out over this they would make sure the stream was taken down. 

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Farmer J wrote:
I can see both sides of the argument. What raises a red flag for me is if this was truly about the live stream why is...

I can see both sides of the argument. What raises a red flag for me is if this was truly about the live stream why is it still up? If someone uploads or streams and the rights owner isn't happy about it it gets removed immedietly. If they really kicked him out over this they would make sure the stream was taken down. 

It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. 

Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who gave them the reason to remove him. He intentionally instigated the incident. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. 

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Farmer J wrote:
I can see both sides of the argument. What raises a red flag for me is if this was truly about the live stream why is...

I can see both sides of the argument. What raises a red flag for me is if this was truly about the live stream why is it still up? If someone uploads or streams and the rights owner isn't happy about it it gets removed immedietly. If they really kicked him out over this they would make sure the stream was taken down. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who...

It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. 

Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who gave them the reason to remove him. He intentionally instigated the incident. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. 

I understand its not permitted but if that was the reason i believe it would've been taken down. Also he's done multiple streams at races in the past and it was never an issue. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who...

It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. 

Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who gave them the reason to remove him. He intentionally instigated the incident. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. 

Also ml said that dc said it was nbc that was mad. If nbc was mad over a video and rights they would have it removed. Ml even used an example where his videos got removed. Ive watched these lIves in the past where nbc and the owner got mad and it was stopped and removed instantly. 

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I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow...

I agree that the coverage helps keep people engaged.  That timeframe may be by design. If You look up the rules for media credentials they follow a timeline. with more footage allowed as more time passes after the live event.  I copied this from the media application on MXsports website for pro mot.

 

Videos:  Video recording of any kind is prohibited without prior written approval from MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Upon approval, video access is permitted both in the paddock and on the racetrack. All recorded footage is the property of MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc. Any media taking video without approval will forfeit their credential, and the footage will be confiscated. MX Sports Pro Racing, Inc., reserves the right to request the removal of any unapproved videos from publication.

A content publisher may use videotaped or filmed excerpts of an event for news purposes up to 48 hours after the completion of the event to which they pertain.

Highlights within the 48-hour period must not exceed two minutes from any one event.

Under no circumstances may “live” excerpts of an event in progress be distributed.

For broadcast footage, a visual “courtesy” of at least four seconds must be given as the highlights appear, the visual “courtesy” should read “Courtesy SuperMotocross League/NBC Sports” and must be clearly visible.

Any video or photography of race action posted on any web site (including blogs and social media) or otherwise transmitted online may be used only for news and editorial coverage of the event and must abide by the media highlights regulations listed above.

Use of any video or photograph for commercial, advertising, or promotional purpose is strictly prohibited, without prior written consent of MX Sports Pro Racing and/or the SMX League.

No sponsorship or advertising may be used in a manner that implies any association between any the advertiser and MX Sports Pro Racing and/or any race team or individual rider.

Online use of any videos or photos shall constitute acceptance of these terms and conditions.

During the first 72 hours immediately following the competition, no more than 5 minutes of highlights per event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds.

Commencing 72 hours after the competition, no more than 10 minutes of highlights per Event will be allowed, each clip not to exceed :45 seconds. 

MXMattii wrote:

But he wasn't there under media accreditation.

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed.  Are you arguing that any random person should be able to...

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed. 

 Are you arguing that any random person should be able to call themselves media when it is convenient and call themselves a regular person when it is not?    

 I have not read what he agreed to as far as the type of pass he had.   I do know that while my buddy and I were doing our little show I had press credentials and knew that a livestream was not something they would allow if we were doing it trackside/in the stadium . So I looked for a loophole. And my general admission tickets to the stadium also had a list of things I could not do. It also prohibited livestreaming from the stadium.  

 

 Has anybody looked up what the policy is for allowing regular ticket holders to livestream?   He himself even says he was just there to watch the race. Not there trying to expose some big issue.  So he was stopped from doing something that most likely  anybody else would be stopped from doing.  . 

 

 The rules about delaying footage are there to help keep the streaming rights value. They help the sport.  Its not like he was covering a live crime being committed.

 

I'm arguing that media, vloggers, bloggers, ... who wanna be complete independent (paying or fixing own tickets...) shouldn't be held at the same standards as the official accredited media. Because they didn't sign any agreement.

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MXMattii wrote:

But he wasn't there under media accreditation.

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed.  Are you arguing that any random person should be able to...

I know that. But he calls himself media and people argue that media is being oppressed. 

 Are you arguing that any random person should be able to call themselves media when it is convenient and call themselves a regular person when it is not?    

 I have not read what he agreed to as far as the type of pass he had.   I do know that while my buddy and I were doing our little show I had press credentials and knew that a livestream was not something they would allow if we were doing it trackside/in the stadium . So I looked for a loophole. And my general admission tickets to the stadium also had a list of things I could not do. It also prohibited livestreaming from the stadium.  

 

 Has anybody looked up what the policy is for allowing regular ticket holders to livestream?   He himself even says he was just there to watch the race. Not there trying to expose some big issue.  So he was stopped from doing something that most likely  anybody else would be stopped from doing.  . 

 

 The rules about delaying footage are there to help keep the streaming rights value. They help the sport.  Its not like he was covering a live crime being committed.

 

MXMattii wrote:
I'm arguing that media, vloggers, bloggers, ... who wanna be complete independent (paying or fixing own tickets...) shouldn't be held at the same standards as the...

I'm arguing that media, vloggers, bloggers, ... who wanna be complete independent (paying or fixing own tickets...) shouldn't be held at the same standards as the official accredited media. Because they didn't sign any agreement.

You could try to argue that, but Cooksey knows that live streaming isn’t allowed, especially to a monetized site like he shared it to. Trying to declare himself as a ‘regular fan’ while trying to be paid for clicks is pretty difficult…..

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APLMAN99 wrote:
It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who...

It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. 

Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who gave them the reason to remove him. He intentionally instigated the incident. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. 

Farmer J wrote:
Also ml said that dc said it was nbc that was mad. If nbc was mad over a video and rights they would have it removed...

Also ml said that dc said it was nbc that was mad. If nbc was mad over a video and rights they would have it removed. Ml even used an example where his videos got removed. Ive watched these lIves in the past where nbc and the owner got mad and it was stopped and removed instantly. 

We’ve had ours flagged, takes away our monetization but leaves them up, not fully taken down.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who...

It would be easier if he had just uploaded the NBC/Peacock broadcast. 

Cooksey said that they kicked him out because of the livestream. He’s the one who gave them the reason to remove him. He intentionally instigated the incident. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that. 

What Cooksey actually said was that he noticed MX Sports guys watching him and then a short time later the police were there. He also said it was "silly" to escort him out for those reasons and explains why.  

It's not about making it more ccomplicated byt about transparency, which isn't happening. 

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I'm arguing that media, vloggers, bloggers, ... who wanna be complete independent (paying or fixing own tickets...) shouldn't be held at the same standards as the...

I'm arguing that media, vloggers, bloggers, ... who wanna be complete independent (paying or fixing own tickets...) shouldn't be held at the same standards as the official accredited media. Because they didn't sign any agreement.

Problem is, there is a commercial rights holder. And every single ticket sold or otherwise provided carries terms of service. If you violate the terms of service you can be ejected from the premises. Are you really trying to say that independent bloggers, vloggers, etc... should be allowed to simply go in and do a pirate broadcast for financial gain? It doesn't work like that. 

Also, while I'm not privy to the details of the contract between MX Sports and NBC, most of those types of agreements require whomever controls access to the venue to provide assistance in enforcing their contractual rights (typically via right of removal)

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Since provided additional information by ML512, I agree "Dungeonize" Cooksey's crap.  But, what if even 10% of what he complains about is valid. Some relevant "issues" that regularly get quelled;

1. Timed practice makes a one-lined track. Especially when wet like Budds Creek.  The riders only ride one "fast" line during qualifying.  (Solution:  place hay bales on the insides until 1st motos, or use morning qualifying like in the 1990's )

2. Davey Coombs/MX Sports is 100% responsible for NOT permitting 250cc two-strokes in Professional Racing in the 250 Class.  They are permitted EVERYWHERE else by the AMA.  How does he have that decision power?.  ( Solution:  Use existing AMA Equal Displacement Rules.  Four-strokes are NOT better engines, they are just given a ridiculous "Double-Displacement" advantage )

3. Riders SHOULD be permitted to sell merchandise like T-shirts.  Kyle Larson pulls an enclosed trailer into World Of Outlaw sprint car events and sells t-shirts all night.  I agree do NOT let them sell "Event" t-shirts.  ( Solution: Permit t-shirts, jerseys, hats, etc. to be sold by entered riders )

4. Paddle tires being used due to deep disc starts, creating a one-lined track and hurts racing. I understand discing the start deep to keep it slow and therefore safer. ( Solution; Get rid of Holeshot Devices, starting grates and traction control )

As always, thoughts and comments are welcome and appreciated.

 

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Since provided additional information by ML512, I agree "Dungeonize" Cooksey's crap.  But, what if even 10% of what he complains about is valid. Some relevant "issues"...

Since provided additional information by ML512, I agree "Dungeonize" Cooksey's crap.  But, what if even 10% of what he complains about is valid. Some relevant "issues" that regularly get quelled;

1. Timed practice makes a one-lined track. Especially when wet like Budds Creek.  The riders only ride one "fast" line during qualifying.  (Solution:  place hay bales on the insides until 1st motos, or use morning qualifying like in the 1990's )

2. Davey Coombs/MX Sports is 100% responsible for NOT permitting 250cc two-strokes in Professional Racing in the 250 Class.  They are permitted EVERYWHERE else by the AMA.  How does he have that decision power?.  ( Solution:  Use existing AMA Equal Displacement Rules.  Four-strokes are NOT better engines, they are just given a ridiculous "Double-Displacement" advantage )

3. Riders SHOULD be permitted to sell merchandise like T-shirts.  Kyle Larson pulls an enclosed trailer into World Of Outlaw sprint car events and sells t-shirts all night.  I agree do NOT let them sell "Event" t-shirts.  ( Solution: Permit t-shirts, jerseys, hats, etc. to be sold by entered riders )

4. Paddle tires being used due to deep disc starts, creating a one-lined track and hurts racing. I understand discing the start deep to keep it slow and therefore safer. ( Solution; Get rid of Holeshot Devices, starting grates and traction control )

As always, thoughts and comments are welcome and appreciated.

 

I think every one of those points are 20+ years old. 

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The Mob has crashed and burned. At first (years ago) I gave him the benefit because he had some decent stuff and it seemed maybe like folks where picking on him. He just gets worse all the time now constantly crossing the line for only he knows what. I can only assume attention or a total nut or both.

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Judging by the lack of replies and despite alledged threats, this Cooksey is apparently no physical threat to anyone. Nobody has been forth coming about any conviction he has had regarding violent behavior either. Violating trespassing laws is one thing, accusing someone of attempted murder is quite another.

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Attempted murder?

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ML stated Cooksey has legitimately threatened his life. If true that is pretty serious. 

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ML stated Cooksey has legitimately threatened his life. If true that is pretty serious. 

You're being far more dramatic about it than ML. I've had people threaten physical harm on me in the course of my profession and I have never gone to the police. Sloth isn't going to follow through on his threats, but I can see why those he threatens wouldn't welcome him into their workplace.

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Judging by the lack of replies and despite alledged threats, this Cooksey is apparently no physical threat to anyone. Nobody has been forth coming about any...

Judging by the lack of replies and despite alledged threats, this Cooksey is apparently no physical threat to anyone. Nobody has been forth coming about any conviction he has had regarding violent behavior either. Violating trespassing laws is one thing, accusing someone of attempted murder is quite another.

Tell us how there was a "attempted murder" Looks like you are just making stuff up. 

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ML literally stated in this thread Cooksey threatened his life.

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ML literally stated in this thread Cooksey threatened his life.

Please, please tell me you understand the difference between a threat and actual attempted murder

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So ML says that NBC wanted him booted for copyright infringement and you still blame MxSports?

yet another thread with ML instantly defending and excusing DC's behavior. Whatever.As for the rest, I find it interesting that the overwhelming majority of posters in...

yet another thread with ML instantly defending and excusing DC's behavior. Whatever.

As for the rest, I find it interesting that the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread proudly proclaim "Never seen a video of his....but he's a loser!" 

The guy pumps out a crazy amount of content so it doesn't surprise me he gets things wrong. He creates whatever content he creates, and he asks nobody for permission. ML and him have some sort of history, so he's banished from this site. DC doesn't like him cause he calls BS on DC's decision/history and he posts proof of those claims (like the GHelen topic). Then DC tells ML some BS story about "Oh, I didn't throw him out - NBC did" and the topic is over? 
 

Did anybody actually see his video with the 2 armed cops walking behind him and tossing him "for trespassing". Why would NBC toss him "for trespassing" if they were actually pissed he was live-streaming? None of it passes a smell test, but I recognize that this story (like all others) will just be moved to the dumbgeon and that's it.

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Cooksey literally threatened my life, he threatened Hopper with some form of physical harm as well recently.I’m over how you treat me and talk towards me...

Cooksey literally threatened my life, he threatened Hopper with some form of physical harm as well recently.

I’m over how you treat me and talk towards me, my patience is gone. You’re out.

There it is, threatened ML's life, something about Hopper too. Pretty serious accusation.

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ML literally stated in this thread Cooksey threatened his life.

Yes, but you said "attempted murder"  so you must just be making stuff up

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Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring who now? You can still read and comment on this thread.

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Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring...

Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring who now? You can still read and comment on this thread.

I can still see your comments. Atleast you admitted you sensor stuff here. 20240821 152131

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Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring...

Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring who now? You can still read and comment on this thread.

😂 Doesn’t feel good to have your voice silenced, does it? 

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ML512 wrote:
Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring...

Fantastic, I'm the subject of a Cooksey video now. I tried to defend myself in the comment section but my comments keep getting deleted. Who's censoring who now? You can still read and comment on this thread.

Farmer J wrote:
I can still see your comments. Atleast you admitted you sensor stuff here.

I can still see your comments. Atleast you admitted you sensor stuff here. 20240821 152131

Weird, doesn’t show up for me. 😂

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