#16: MXGP of The Netherlands - August 17-18

8/18/2024 10:38am

MXGP Stats  

GP wins  

8 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
4 = Jeffrey Herlings 
3 = Tim Gajser 
1 = Pauls Jonass  

GP podiums  

13 = Tim Gajser 
12 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
12 = Jeffrey Herlings 
7 = Romain Febvre 
2 = Calvin Vlaanderen 
1 = Pauls Jonass 
1 = Jeremy Seewer  

Race wins  

14 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
12 = Jeffrey Herlings 
5 = Tim Gajser 
1 = Romain Febvre  

Race top 3  

25 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
23 = Tim Gajser 
22 = Jeffrey Herlings 
10 = Romain Febvre 
6 = Calvin Vlaanderen 
4 = Pauls Jonass 
3 = Jeremy Seewer 
1 = Cornelius Toendel 
1 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

Qualifying race wins  

7 = Tim Gajser 
4 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
2 = Romain Febvre 
2 = Jeffrey Herlings 
1 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

Qualifying race top 3  

15 = Tim Gajser 
10 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
8 = Romain Febvre 
7 = Jeffrey Herlings 
3 = Glenn Coldenhoff 
1 = Pauls Jonass
1 = Maxime Renaux
1 = Jeremy Seewer
1 = Brian Bogers 
1 = Calvin Vlaanderen  

Laps led  

291 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
124 = Jeffrey Herlings 
103 = Tim Gajser 
28 = Romain Febvre 
7 = Jeremy Seewer 
3 = Isak Gifting 
2 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

Fastest lap of the race  

20 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
8 = Jeffrey Herlings 
3 = Tim Gajser 
1 = Romain Febvre  

Fastest lap in practice  

6 = Jeffrey Herlings 
6 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
2 = Tim Gajser 
1 = Romain Febvre 
1 = Jeremy Seewer 

 

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Fastest laps of sunday races 

EMX125 race 2 

1.49.542 = Simone Mancini
1.50.739 = Gyan Doensen
1.50.791 = Jakubs Kubulins
1.51.660 = Niccolo Mannini
1.52.043 = Gustav Johnsson
1.52.146 = Noel Zanocz 
1.52.217 = Cole McCullough 
1.52.222 = Jamie Keith
1.52.299 = Nicolo Alvisi
1.52.315 = Tomass Saicans 

WMX race 2 

1.57.091 = Daniela Guillen
1.58.975 = Lotte Van Drunen
1.59.029 = Courntey Duncan
1.59.680 = Lynn Valk
2.02.623 = Danee Gelissen 
2.02.777 = Sara Andersen 
2.03.385 = Martine Hughes
2.04.229 = Kiara Fontanesi 
2.05.773 = Malou Jakobsen 
2.06.166 = Amandine Verstappen 

MX2 race 1 

1.45.779 = Lucas Coenen 
1.46.249 = Kay De Wolf 
1.47.199 = Liam Everts 
1.48.033 = Karlis Reisulis
1.48.393 = Andrea Adamo
1.48.797 = Camden Mc Lellan 
1.49.042 = Rick Elzinga 
1.49.442 = Quentin-Marc Prugnieres 
1.49.791 = Ivano Van Erp
1.49.809 = Simon Laengenfelder 

MXGP race 1 

1.46.830 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
1.48.554 = Jeffrey Herlings
1.48.576 = Romain Febvre 
1.48.650 = Glenn Coldenhoff 
1.49.376 = Romain Febvre 
1.49.989 = Kevin Horgmo
1.50.694 = Jeremy Seewer 
1.51.243 = Alberto Forato
1.51.414 = Jago Geerts 
1.51.591 = Brian Bogers 

MX2 race 2 

1.47.512 = Lucas Coenen
1.47.995 = Sacha Coenen
1.48.290 = Kay De Wolf 
1.49.749 = Andrea Adamo
1.50.018 = Liam Everts 
1.50.330 = Camden Mc Lellan
1.50.459 = Rick Elzinga 
1.50.540 = Simon Laengenfelder 
1.50.685 = Mikkel Haarup 
1.51.021 = Karlis Reisulis 

MXGP race 2 

1.48.323 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
1.48.845 = Glenn Coldenhoff 
1.49.046 = Jeffrey Herlings 
1.49.070 = Tim Gajser 
1.51.302 = Romain Febvre 
1.51.388 = Antonio Cairoli
1.51.668 = Brent Van Doninck 
1.51.714 = Jeremy Seewer 
1.51.768 = Mattia Guadagnini 
1.52.972 = Alberto Forato

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Fly United.

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Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

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8/18/2024 11:13am
Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

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8/18/2024 11:20am
Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

Surely not he’s about 18 isn’t he ? 

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ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

64smoker wrote:

Surely not he’s about 18 isn’t he ? 

Turning 18 end of the year I think. 

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8/18/2024 11:23am

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

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8/18/2024 12:11pm
Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

Would love to some them under DeCoster. 
Tgey are from the same region, i believe. 
 

8/18/2024 12:44pm
Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

Under the ktm group or with another brand ?

8/18/2024 12:47pm

Racing was top notch, tyger tim relieved next few tracks are hard pack.

8/18/2024 12:57pm
ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

64smoker wrote:

Surely not he’s about 18 isn’t he ? 

Yeah I don't know why he would do that. There was that rumor and he was asked about it in a press conference and he didn't deny it. Basically said that was one of his options and he'll announce soon what he'll end up doing.
 

With the amount of crashes he's had I'm not sure if it would be the best idea. Although he'll surely be fast. I guess we'll see at Matterly Basin already. MXGP class for Belgium 17 y/o

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8/18/2024 1:28pm
What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which...

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

That and butt ugly trophies.

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8/18/2024 2:57pm

I thought it was all pretty good......when you see how little space they had....I just thought it was ridiculous that you had to pay extra for the stands....when the entrance fee is 95 euro 

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What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which...

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

... It can be a long wait to get up there, no matter what level of pass you have on your wrist or neck.

Glad you were able to get to the top, they only allowed 17 people up there I believe...

KNMV has the Arnhem track contracted thru next year for MXGP, after that who knows....

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That GP ruled! 

The whole first 450 moto was incredible and the intensity in the opening laps of the second was full on.. 

I don't think it's sunshine and rainbows in KRT or Nestaan Husky haha

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8/18/2024 10:52pm

Any info on Vlaanderen as to why he never lined up for moto 2?

 

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According to press release a kneeinjury and chevks on monday should tell more about the severity. 

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What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which...

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

They just dont have the space. For the viewing the only solution i can think of is build a big hill all along the back end of the circuit where 1 of the stands was. They have a maybe 10-15 meters left in terms of depth that they could use over 100-150 meters

But that is probably to costly?

 

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crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

As 64smoker pointed out, he's on his journey to 18.

He Could drop back from 450s after an MXGP season,  on going to the USA, unless he'd won the MXGP title. 

But, swapping to 450, when there's no need to, well, that way madness lies. He's  (and his brother ) obviously extremely talented, but, I very much doubt he's that 'generational' (c/r JL or HD huggers)  that he'd win in 450s instantly. 

Cripes, I just thought of the holeshots 'Little' (Sacha) might pull on 450, when he gets on one.............

 

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8/18/2024 11:38pm
crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

Bearuno wrote:
As 64smoker pointed out, he's on his journey to 18.He Could drop back from 450s after an MXGP season,  on going to the USA, unless he'd...

As 64smoker pointed out, he's on his journey to 18.

He Could drop back from 450s after an MXGP season,  on going to the USA, unless he'd won the MXGP title. 

But, swapping to 450, when there's no need to, well, that way madness lies. He's  (and his brother ) obviously extremely talented, but, I very much doubt he's that 'generational' (c/r JL or HD huggers)  that he'd win in 450s instantly. 

Cripes, I just thought of the holeshots 'Little' (Sacha) might pull on 450, when he gets on one.............

 

I cannot see why he would move up for -25 when he most likely wont win this years MX2 title. Go at MX2 again and win it, then move to USA like they have planned. 

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8/19/2024 1:06am
What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which...

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

Brent wrote:
... It can be a long wait to get up there, no matter what level of pass you have on your wrist or neck.Glad you were...

... It can be a long wait to get up there, no matter what level of pass you have on your wrist or neck.

Glad you were able to get to the top, they only allowed 17 people up there I believe...

KNMV has the Arnhem track contracted thru next year for MXGP, after that who knows....

Yeah it was Monster invite only for the first time this year, which basically meant it was a second team tower. 

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What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which...

What a GP, some great racing. But damn, the organisation needs to step up their game. Every path you went down was a dead end, which also meant viewing was terrible from most spots and the parking was a disaster. I was glad I could get up the Monster viewing area and actually watch the race properly. 

 

Brent wrote:
... It can be a long wait to get up there, no matter what level of pass you have on your wrist or neck.Glad you were...

... It can be a long wait to get up there, no matter what level of pass you have on your wrist or neck.

Glad you were able to get to the top, they only allowed 17 people up there I believe...

KNMV has the Arnhem track contracted thru next year for MXGP, after that who knows....

I’m happy to see that Valkenswaard is doing some European and Dutch races again this year, hopefully they got the GP back there in a few years as well. 

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I’m happy to see that Valkenswaard is doing some European and Dutch races again this year, hopefully they got the GP back there in a few...

I’m happy to see that Valkenswaard is doing some European and Dutch races again this year, hopefully they got the GP back there in a few years as well. 

Really, Valkenswaard still exists / is re-opening?

Fuggin' FanBloodyTastic!

I thought it was gone, forever.

Maybe  I can get to a race there, along with some riding at the nearby BMX track, in a few years, after I've got Both my new knees. 

Though, the recently RH new one, is utter Crap, and I've got to get it 'upgraded' - my Ortho was / is a lying, untrustworthy , lazy piece of S**t that installed junk only suitable for inactive 'old' people. I had to walk out of his surgery after I saw what he'd put in me - I came very, Very bloody close to assaulting the C**t ! I waited years for the very best joints, to only be lied to by a bloke seemingly only interested in money, who seems to have forgotten his pledge to "Do No Harm". 

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Yep there is some movement there again, hopefully they can keep it going for the upcoming years! 

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Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. 

Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the racing it produces. Obviously Valkenswaard alway was great, but in terms of races i think Arnhem is a good track for the calendar. But for the fans at the track the access and viewing was way better in Valkenswaard. 

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Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the...

Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. 

Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the racing it produces. Obviously Valkenswaard alway was great, but in terms of races i think Arnhem is a good track for the calendar. But for the fans at the track the access and viewing was way better in Valkenswaard. 

If it wasn't for the sand, Arnhem would be the same as any parking lot track. Valkenswaard or Oss were way better venues.

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Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the...

Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. 

Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the racing it produces. Obviously Valkenswaard alway was great, but in terms of races i think Arnhem is a good track for the calendar. But for the fans at the track the access and viewing was way better in Valkenswaard. 

DeStouwer wrote:

If it wasn't for the sand, Arnhem would be the same as any parking lot track. Valkenswaard or Oss were way better venues.

I disagree. I have been to Valkenswaard twice, Oss once and Arnhem twice also. In my opinion, Valkenswaard was best for spectating but the track didn’t offer the best racing (although this could have been because it was much colder/wetter and softer being in March). 

Arnhem has the best racing but you can only see one corner at a time of you don’t pay the extra 10 euros to be in the stands. However only watching one corner will still leave you amazed with how they ride so fast on such a rough/technical track. I watched 2 moto’s at the same corner (after the rollers) and I could have watched many more. Watching them go through that corner was something else with how technical it was. My opinion Arnhem has the the best racing with the track being so technical. 

Oss then sits exactly in the middle between these two tracks in terms of spectating and racing. 

Overall, I prefer Arnhem. The racing was incredible and watching Jeffrey blast around that track is something I will never forget. 

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8/19/2024 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2024 1:26pm
rym wrote:
Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the...

Actually the promotor/organizer for Valkenswaard is also involved in the GP in Arnhem. 

Tbh i really like the track in Arnhem for the GP, as in the racing it produces. Obviously Valkenswaard alway was great, but in terms of races i think Arnhem is a good track for the calendar. But for the fans at the track the access and viewing was way better in Valkenswaard. 

DeStouwer wrote:

If it wasn't for the sand, Arnhem would be the same as any parking lot track. Valkenswaard or Oss were way better venues.

blueracer wrote:
I disagree. I have been to Valkenswaard twice, Oss once and Arnhem twice also. In my opinion, Valkenswaard was best for spectating but the track didn’t...

I disagree. I have been to Valkenswaard twice, Oss once and Arnhem twice also. In my opinion, Valkenswaard was best for spectating but the track didn’t offer the best racing (although this could have been because it was much colder/wetter and softer being in March). 

Arnhem has the best racing but you can only see one corner at a time of you don’t pay the extra 10 euros to be in the stands. However only watching one corner will still leave you amazed with how they ride so fast on such a rough/technical track. I watched 2 moto’s at the same corner (after the rollers) and I could have watched many more. Watching them go through that corner was something else with how technical it was. My opinion Arnhem has the the best racing with the track being so technical. 

Oss then sits exactly in the middle between these two tracks in terms of spectating and racing. 

Overall, I prefer Arnhem. The racing was incredible and watching Jeffrey blast around that track is something I will never forget. 

Well, there we disagree, indeed.

I've been going to Valkenswaard since 1996-ish, and I've never seen a boring race, not even when it was snowing or a mudfest.

If you only can see one corner like you said, then how can it be a good track (spectator wise)? Even if the racing is good, it's still a poor track. And to charge the people an extra 10 euro for some stands that are not even meant for VIP's, is just a disgrace. That's like admitting "hey, we now you can't see shit here but we want you to pay extra on top of the 100 euro you already paid to enter the venue". And that's not counting the costs for camping or catering they made aswell.

I hope their contract won't get extended after next season.

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