Spoke with my wallet (semi exotic bike)

Neek
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Hello Vital pals !

I bought my first brand new bike at nearly 40 years old. I got a great deal on a Fantic XXF 250 (basically 250 YZF rebranded and tuned by Italian manufacturer Fantic) from my local dealer. 

I owned +10 dirtbikes so far but I never had the opportunity to buy a new bike. 

My wife and daughters told me to jump on the deal ! 

Bike looks good, it comes with Arrow titanium full exhaust system, Get Ecu with map switch and app, traction control linked with Rpm dial on front fender. 

I plan to ride this bike for trainning sessions with friends and maybe attending small local races in 2025. I stopped racing in 2019. 

Any advise for the break in of the engine or any control operations after the first rides ? 

I'll post more pictures of the bike soon, have a great day.   

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Falcon
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Just ride it mellow for the first few hours of operation and then change the oil and filter. You don't have to avoid full throttle, just maybe don't race a deep mud race for the first ride. 

That's a nice machine. Congratulations!

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Nice bike, I like it.

 

Question: What's that 'S'' thing above the rear master cylinder its throwing me off? 

Neek
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8/16/2024 8:53am
kxking wrote:

Nice bike, I like it.

 

Question: What's that 'S'' thing above the rear master cylinder its throwing me off? 

It seems like a subframe guard or something lIke this.

Apparently, subframe is different from Yamaha on the 125 "YZ" Fantic (different air box). Maybe it's the same on 250F. 

I am not sure that YZF body fits on the Fantic. 

 

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Neek wrote:
Hello Vital pals !I bought my first brand new bike at nearly 40 years old. I got a great deal on a Fantic XXF 250 (basically...

Hello Vital pals !

I bought my first brand new bike at nearly 40 years old. I got a great deal on a Fantic XXF 250 (basically 250 YZF rebranded and tuned by Italian manufacturer Fantic) from my local dealer. 

I owned +10 dirtbikes so far but I never had the opportunity to buy a new bike. 

My wife and daughters told me to jump on the deal ! 

Bike looks good, it comes with Arrow titanium full exhaust system, Get Ecu with map switch and app, traction control linked with Rpm dial on front fender. 

I plan to ride this bike for trainning sessions with friends and maybe attending small local races in 2025. I stopped racing in 2019. 

Any advise for the break in of the engine or any control operations after the first rides ? 

I'll post more pictures of the bike soon, have a great day.   

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Nice! 👍

Wish we could get the Fantic 2Ts stateside. 😢

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Nice! 👍

Wish we could get the Fantic 2Ts stateside. 😢

You can. They're just really old, hard to find, expensive, and difficult to source parts for 🤣

My TY build was simple compared to getting parts for the 240 I'm in process of building for my father.

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Neek
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Falcon wrote:
Just ride it mellow for the first few hours of operation and then change the oil and filter. You don't have to avoid full throttle, just...

Just ride it mellow for the first few hours of operation and then change the oil and filter. You don't have to avoid full throttle, just maybe don't race a deep mud race for the first ride. 

That's a nice machine. Congratulations!

Thanks for the tips Falcon ! Much appreciated 

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8/16/2024 9:03am

Nice! 👍

Wish we could get the Fantic 2Ts stateside. 😢

1983YZ125 wrote:
You can. They're just really old, hard to find, expensive, and difficult to source parts for 🤣My TY build was simple compared to getting parts for...

You can. They're just really old, hard to find, expensive, and difficult to source parts for 🤣

My TY build was simple compared to getting parts for the 240 I'm in process of building for my father.

Sorry, let me clarify - "Wish we could get the Fantic 2Ts stateside... with the same availability/convenience of the YZs".👍

Don't need the vintage bike hassles for a a daily driver!😄

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Hello, 

I picked up the bike while coming back from holidays.

Here are some other pictures : 

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it has few carbon goodies here and there, oversized front rotor, GET ECU with 2 maps and Power Tuner app. From what I understand, I can upload maps on the bike from my phone. I'll ride a little and maybe play with power tuner later.

I had couple of Yamahas in the past but never had the opportunity to have a 4 stroke. 
I should break in the bike this weekend at local track.

Dirtbikes make people happy.

Have a great day.

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Neek wrote:
Hello, I picked up the bike while coming back from holidays.Here are some other pictures : it has few carbon goodies here and there, oversized front rotor, GET...

Hello, 

I picked up the bike while coming back from holidays.

Here are some other pictures : 

20240821 19101120240821 19101920240821 191023.jpg?VersionId=i0jL 2X.1IdjJ920240821 191032.jpg?VersionId=zH7zwB3FvtlCBrd8waq1Lq20240821 19115820240821 191213.jpg?VersionId=pZI3O20240821 191222

it has few carbon goodies here and there, oversized front rotor, GET ECU with 2 maps and Power Tuner app. From what I understand, I can upload maps on the bike from my phone. I'll ride a little and maybe play with power tuner later.

I had couple of Yamahas in the past but never had the opportunity to have a 4 stroke. 
I should break in the bike this weekend at local track.

Dirtbikes make people happy.

Have a great day.

Nice, the Glen Coldenhoff bike (mxgp) 👍

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Falcon
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8/23/2024 6:39am

"Dirtbikes make people happy."

They sure do. Hope you have many happy rides! 

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8/23/2024 10:55am

Congrats!!!! Always wondered what they look like, so appreciate it! Enjoy!

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There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity of the engine seems to also be better. I'm in that camp of not doing the easy break in. HIs explanation of why that is better makes very good sense to me.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:
There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity...

There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity of the engine seems to also be better. I'm in that camp of not doing the easy break in. HIs explanation of why that is better makes very good sense to me.

TM

Yea i read something similar, its to do with getting a good ring seal to cylinder or something like that and not glazing it.

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8/23/2024 5:13pm
ToolMaker wrote:
There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity...

There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity of the engine seems to also be better. I'm in that camp of not doing the easy break in. HIs explanation of why that is better makes very good sense to me.

TM

mx_phreek wrote:

Yea i read something similar, its to do with getting a good ring seal to cylinder or something like that and not glazing it.

What he preaches makes a lot of sense.

The worst thing you can do is start it up and idle it.

The second worst is start it and rev it with no load.

You don’t need to, and shouldn’t redline it - start it, ride away gently. Don’t “lug” it. Vary the throttle. Ride it as it’s designed to be ridden, except slightly lower in the rev range for a bit. Change the oil frequently, no full synthetic for the first few.  Reap the benefits- Good power/long life from best ring seal.

The old “Heat Cycles” is superseded and doesn’t apply to modern metals/clearances/oils I believe.

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8/23/2024 9:15pm
ToolMaker wrote:
There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity...

There's a guy on youtube that claims the proper way to break it in is "hard". He claims his dyno test support his theory and longevity of the engine seems to also be better. I'm in that camp of not doing the easy break in. HIs explanation of why that is better makes very good sense to me.

TM

mx_phreek wrote:

Yea i read something similar, its to do with getting a good ring seal to cylinder or something like that and not glazing it.

skypig wrote:
What he preaches makes a lot of sense.The worst thing you can do is start it up and idle it.The second worst is start it and...

What he preaches makes a lot of sense.

The worst thing you can do is start it up and idle it.

The second worst is start it and rev it with no load.

You don’t need to, and shouldn’t redline it - start it, ride away gently. Don’t “lug” it. Vary the throttle. Ride it as it’s designed to be ridden, except slightly lower in the rev range for a bit. Change the oil frequently, no full synthetic for the first few.  Reap the benefits- Good power/long life from best ring seal.

The old “Heat Cycles” is superseded and doesn’t apply to modern metals/clearances/oils I believe.

How about when the mechanic behind the wall fires up your new bike and rips it down the street…

Out of habit I do a couple heat cycles, then a couple easy motos. Change the oil and let er rip!  

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brocster wrote:
How about when the mechanic behind the wall fires up your new bike and rips it down the street…Out of habit I do a couple heat...

How about when the mechanic behind the wall fires up your new bike and rips it down the street…

Out of habit I do a couple heat cycles, then a couple easy motos. Change the oil and let er rip!  

As long as the bikes warmed up a bit, the mechanic is probably doing you a favour. 

I think some engines are “test run” pretty hard after assembly at the factory. 

Honestly, modern engines seem pretty bulletproof and the run in process probably has only a minor impact on power and longevity. 

One of the more modern motors that seemed prone to bore glazing and subsequent high oil consumption was the 690 KTM (701 Husky).

They had to use in excess of 1L/1000km for KTM to accept an issue. I ran mine in as described. It uses no oil. 

Apologies for the thread drift. The Fantic looks great. 

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