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For anyone that thinks ex pros shouldn't be at Loretta's, please listen to Andrew Short's interview after edging out Brown for the win in 40+. This is what Loretta's is all about and anyone that has ridden at any level should respect the hell out of these guys and get goose bumps listening to Short.
Remember, there are multiple classes that do not allow the ex pros.
Link is below and do yourself a favor and watch the whole 40+ moto. Interview with Short is right around the 4:35 mark.
Thats awesome..
Woulda been just as cool if the battle were in pro sport.
I still maintain that there's certainly a place for them at lorettas, just not in most classes, along with broken sportsman rules.
+25 Vet Pro - Anyone who has made fast 40. Second class would be pro sport if they wish.
All other vet classes - anyone who has never made fast 40.
Shorty’s podium interview was awesome. Other athletes should study it, perfect mix of giving himself credit and giving his competitor even more praise. The world needs more guys like him.
Yep and not sure why they moved the LLs "Vet pros here we go again" to the dumbgeon. Racers are gonna race and it carries over and the passion does not go away as you get older. Not sure who all mods are in the forum but im sure ML will be in here saying he didn't move it and does not know who did.😅
Yeah, so Brown who is over 50 should only have a class open to basically anyone because he was a pro 15 years ago. Makes sense.
They have two sportsman classes and if you don't want to race the best, don't try to qualify for a national championship regardless of class. +25, +40, and +50 are intended to be the fastest guys in those age groups just like every class. Should we eliminate super mini kids that are home schooled and have factory support and live at facilities? After all, little Johnny from Ohio doesn't have those advantages and it should be "fair".
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It wasn't me. I know that much.
I said i wouldn't, but... Ill add a little context to my thought process..
Once a professional athlete acquires professional level skill set, it doesnt go away with age. This is far different than little johnnies rich parents sending them to club. Sure, stamina and strength can dwindle some, but not the ability. Anyone who has developed the skill set (some being paid to hone the skill) required to reach the professional level the fast 40 requires, has skills far beyond any amature. Whats the full name of Lorettas? Does it include the A word?
Im not digging at riders anymore because they're just following rules in place. Its just a seriously flawed system. Sportsman's a joke too and only keeps a small percentage of people out. Haas, Peterson, Henry.... They've all qualified for several professional nationals.. Theyre all extremely talented professional level racers and good dudes.. Sure, may work a normal job now, but they didn't used to when they built that skill.. Telling a "nornal" vet amature racer to "work harder" could be said for these professional level racers who never quite made the cut to catch a ride. Why dont they work harder to get there? Nah we can just drop back, not train quite as hard, rely on talent and previously developed ability and cherry pick amature events instead.. only because the rules allow.. They did freak out when mx sports changed the +30 rules a couple years ago, then mx sports reneg'd their decision because guys like Peterson went whining on fb calling them all kinda names.
I dont like the "bUt WhErE dO tHeY rAcE?" Debate either.. Race the vet nationals available in the pro/A classes. Plenty of those.. didnt emig just race an overseas vet race? or, race +25 Vet Pro at lorettas as a professional exhibition class, then use your pro ability in the pro sport class to whoop up on up n comer kids with the skill youve already developed that allows you to. Cant keep up for 20 min? WoRk HaRdEr.
Mx sports definitely would not lose a dime if they made the appropriate changes. Theyd probably make alot more at areas and regionals actually because i hear tons of people say theyre not even interested because of the vet pro classes.. Its all about the $ aint it?
I like the +25 vet Pro idea, and thats my compromise.. Wouldn't really benefit me at all honestly so it's not driven by self influence.. The selfish side of me says make several B/C classes and the rest no fast 40 riders..
Here come the chest thumpers, most of which probably dont even ride or are pros themselves.. lol
Wrong. Skills do decline unless you hone them and ride and race on a regular basis. Just because Brown still rides and races all the time he is on top. Emig is a perfect example, unless you ride and keep your skills sharp they slowly go away and why penalize guys who ride as much as Brown.
They're still engrained in the brain but connecting the brain to the body in adequate proportion relative to age is the challenge to maintain. Browns consistent training definitely kept his ability relative. Just that one night in the hot tub for the shift ad contributed to fros decline in the later years. Lol. (Sense sarcasm on the last part please).
Ex pros declined skill is still > than the skill of a guy that has worked a regular weekday job his entire life and raced hard on the weekends is the point I believe Meister is trying to make.
So they are better because they have more skill and this is a National Championship......so it should be the best.....and they are not pros anymore. The guys who actually line up with them do not feel this way, so it's ridiculous anyone from their couch thinks it should be different.
I didn’t get goosebumps I thought it was average post race interview tho . Very polished pro speaking truthful. .the only race was at the finish line. Brown put on a clinic of how to attack a track. I never saw Short Put on a sprint to run him down. He picked up the pace here and. There . Stayed close enough if Mike made a mistake . I was inside a trl unloading in Houston & the next pu was real bad. Outside a lot etc so I was real exhausted then drove a few hrs. Then watched the vid after I crashed out 2 hrs. So i might hv missed something. Nothing against Short I was rooting for him when he was on a moto world RM125.
So IYO because I raced 250C Stock and 250C Mod at 30 years old at LL in 1991 finishing 31st OA in both classes I can not race in 50+ class at 64 years old I should not be eligible?
Fast 40 at the Pro Nationals.
It is an “Amateur National Championship”…
Yes it is, and they are amateurs, not pros anymore. It's not once a pro, always a pro.
Mav's got it. I mean fast 40 at pro motocross or night show supercross. I am aware that records only go so far back, so the rule im suggesting would only be recognized since that started. Late 80s or something i think is what DC said on here once.
I too went to Lorettas and even podiumed a moto. Typical bad luck moto 2 in the first turn then a frying clutch in moto 3 for an 8th overall. For what it's worth, through fb I've regained communication after 20+ years with the guy who won Lorettas in my class that year, along with mini os, and he said he'll never do it again because the vet stuff is so messed up.. Guy ripped and i think i only beat him one moto ever at mini o's, but i ended up 2nd o/a. Lol.. sorry, few beers in kinda rant... Prepping for vet fest.
Lol
Well, MX Sports and all the retired pros that race it every year agree.
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Of course not, theyre there.. lol.. seems stupid to base it soley off those who are there.. No body cares what ex pro mechanics have to say anyway...lol.. Steve doesnt care because even if there were a sole vet C class he probably wouldn't make it unless he dropped 50 pounds.. i love keefer and what he does, but his opinions jaded too because he's "one of them" in this regard..
The monetary gain mx sports would see at qualifiers if they made a change would tell the story. I can't count how many dudes off the Internet that ive talked to feel similar to the way i do.. I don't even bring it up anymore but ill engage in conversation if someone does.
I love moto. I come here to talk moto. 29 years of moto. Ran rider support for a large mom n pop shop. Ive been an AMA referee. Not that much of that matters, but Ill share my opinion regardless of who likes it or not. Im not some goon who doesn't even ride coming up with ideas in moms basement like alot of posters.
Can you not comprehend what you yourself are typing?
Keep polishing those industry balls, maybe they’ll let you in the circle one day as the pivot man.
Good Luck at Vet fest @ Red Bud . They added some classes this yr. Like 55 a, 55b, a 35+ 125 class it might b a higher age. Are you going to AztaLan also in Lake mills, Wi. That’s quite a haul for ya. A few big money races this yr yet in the fall
. A couple in Pa. Muddy creek big 2-st race Brown will probably b there. Marv is racing the pre mix class in Canada. Last winter I planned on doing 4 rnds in Canada. The points should’ve gotten me 5-8th ovr all. Not that many do all the 4 east rnds in pre mix. Plus 1 week teus , need practice then 3 motos Thurs- sat. It’s like a LL race with no x American pro,s. 5+ hrs waiting for a shower Did laundry too. My schedule for the yr new pic , local Wi. & the UP. Millville super series, Canadian series, red Bud am , pro ams in Mn. , Ia. , etc. trk is worse than Jack hammering, so I don’t know if I could get my body to recover in 2 days then hit a big race. Hv to get my taxes done too. For a resume to get a discount on oil, goggles, tires, etc. A local rider got 3rd or 5th ovr all in 25+ like 14 yrs ago @ LL. He didn’t get any sponsors to help & he had yz250 yt vids out racing. Pretty rare back then .
How come all of the complaints seem to be about Shorty and Brown? JLaw was there, too. Or is that ok because he got 6th/7th?
Short raced Pro Sport, shouldn't be any complaints.
They were better than their peers 20 yrs ago.......and guess what. THEY STILL ARE. Nothing has changed. Cream rises. Do u think most of the plus 40 guys just bought their first bike and showed up to LL. My 2c
He also raced 40+....which there shouldn't be any complaints there either.
I'm not complaining because they did. Theyre within the rules. I dont hold it against them. I just feel the requirements to race those classes are flawed for an amature national. Dont see Mike Tyson showing up to fight local club fights do we? Jordan never came back to play for amature titles. PGA guys dont drop back because theyre older. Nascar guys only race pro in other series later in life. Randy Johnson didn't come back and pitch lower league stuff when got out of major leagues. Again, still plenty of places and classes for them to race if they love racing so much (even tho i think browns still only in it for dollar signs). Free bikes, gear deals with $, all paid. I gave short props for racing pro sport. He did very well. No, he didn't win, but he did what all the pros should. Did he cry because he didn't win? Nope. Again, just sharing opinion.. I atleast waitied till the racing was pretty much over this year before i started sharing. Lol
Prof, only red bud for me. Dont have the time to travel that much. You know, real work n family time. Typical vet stuff. Lol
Or all the other Ex pro’s that were on the gate that had earned a top 100 number but still LOVE being part of motocross even though they no longer are paid to do it.
If it went like some want 1/4-1/2 of those still riding well enough to do what they love would be excluded .
Not to mention Earl May, Barry Carsten and Randy Richardson....all under Meisters reasoning would be ineligible for the 50+ even though they are well into their 50's....Like Matthes says the only people bitching are the ones that are not actually racing....The same people bitch every year...
So, should independently wealthy people also be banned since they have more time to ride/train?
Oh no, theyd have to race +25 Vet Pro.. theyd still make it.. kinda like shorty in pro sport racing people half his age because his skill keeps him competitive. Or they could race the other 30 races they do a year for fun because they love it. In another post I mentioned what an inspiration Earl May is. When I was riding school boy he was in +25 already. Still ballin'. Crazy. His first nat in 1989 i think.
On the flip side of your last sentence.. it's the same totally irrelevant people standing up for ex pros as fan boys or because their buddies with some.. or their in thay group of pros.. lol
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