Democrat vs. Republican, What makes your side correct?

Republican…

The green agenda is a control agenda, not an environmental agenda.

Abortion is murder.

Forcing the Woke LGBT stuff down societies throat is absurd.

Close the border.

America should be respected on the foreign stage…if that respect doesn’t come through diplomacy, it should come through fear…but it should come.  

Government is more evil than business.  

Religious freedom matters.

I’ve got a bunch of other things that are important to me, but the republicans aren’t great at those (neither are the democrats), so I’ll leave them off, since this is about why I’ve voting Republican.

In my 20’s I was a die hard, but incredibly naive conservative…into my 30’s I thought I'd figured everything out and became a moderate liberal…now well into my 40’s, I’m a die hard, but experienced and informed, conservative again.  

 ^^Very well said

Just seems like most R thinking people think that they, the people, know best how to live their lives.

Most D thinking people tend to think that the Government knows best how to make everything better.

This is from back in the email chain days. Copied and pasted….

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat . . . If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation . . . A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels . . . Democrat's demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church . . . A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it . . . A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a Republican reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh . . . A Democrat will delete it because he's "offended".

If a Republican doesn't want kids, they either use protection, or do not have sex. . . a Democrat will wait til they're pregnant, then kill the kid.

My "side" is, conservative capitalist.

Pure economy based.

Sensible prices for goods and services.

A sensible energy policy that has us using our own resources, thus being in full control of the price per barrel.

(Which goes back to sensible prices for goods and services)

Same goes for food production, and manufacturing.

And states being more in charge of themselves than the federal government.

But first,

Completely control our borders, and rid the nation of those not legally here.

Have the federal government actually help the states with this, instead of hindering.

And, if the legal American citizens are living a life within the bounds of a civil society, the government needs to leave us the hell alone.

Strictly abide by the constitution.

To keep it really simple, the candidate that I'm supporting, Trump, is really really really really hated by the swamp and their champagne socialist media. 

That alone should be plenty adequate of an endorsement. 

 As a registered independet, I don't think  either party can own the mantle of being correct. 

I'm always looking to vote for who is going to leave me alone and fvck me over the least.

It's clear to me that's NOT the Democrat's.

Watching their push for crazy policies socially and fiscally i don't see voting for them ever again although i did in my youth .

Wish we had a viable 3rd party to help keep the more extreme elements of the current system in check but until then im choosing the lesser of 2 evils .

It's not so much "my side" it's what I've come to believe in the short time on this rock.

Personal freedom (until my actions negatively affect the freedoms of others).

Life is precious 

Less "regulations" otherwise known as a way to increase revenue to the state.

Provide safety in public

And many more things I believe I want.

So whoever is in most alignment with my views, I will support to advance my agenda.

I think having sides is inherently dishonest. There are maybe, what, a thousand stances on issues that make up a democrat or republican? Nobody truly agrees with all of them, yet most people argue for their party's stance on all of them, and that's a reflection of dishonesty, imo. What ends up happening is that people agree with maybe a half dozen issues that are important to them, sometimes only one, then they just absorb the rest as their own like mindless tofu. 

Democrats and republicans are the human groups which attempt to implement certain ideologies and human groups are a mess. These groups are supposed to represent ideologies, liberalism and conservatism, and the core meaning of liberalism is being open to trying new things, while the core ideology of conservatism means to make thing last. Neither of these ideologies are in conflict, it's only the dysfunctional human groups that are terrible at implementing ideologies that are in conflict. We should use extreme caution with the level of fervency that people are using to support these groups. There's a reason why that's basically the first commandment, because it leads nowhere good. 

On the other hand…

One side of the aisle ain’t got shit to do with supporting Pro-Palestine protests and the like. 
One side of the aisle ain’t got shit to do with an Open Border: it was previously substantially MORE SECURE. 

I’m jus’ sayin’…

You know I fully agree with you on that issue, but palestinians aren't the center of the universe and surely you could find a republican example. The one thing we shouldn't be doing is using is weaponizing issues to dismiss an entire group of people, because then we're instantly shifting the focus away from the issue in favor of finger pointing. It's precisely what you would do if you didn't want to work on the problem at all, because it makes people defensive and defensive people dig in. If people are going to argue, it shouldn't be, "you're stinky!" and "NO UR!", it should be, "we should do X because ______!" and "no we should do Y because _____", because that's where progress is made. 

I don't vote FOR anymore. Not since the last century. Now it's just AGAINST. Both parties have lost my respect. Ones just worse than the other. The older I get the more I think I should just get out of it completely. let the younger people, who will have to live with what they vote for, take over.  For the last 20 years or so, politics has been mainly entertainment for me. Not so much anymore. Now it just makes me worry about the future. 

I'm a conservative.    I no longer consider myself a Republican as the party has gone to shit.   

"My side" is right because quite simply,  that is what the founding fathers drew up on that revered parchment.    Period.

100% ^^^^

However, letting the younger generation "decide" puts  us older folks at risk.     The financial security we've worked hard for is being targeted by those who do not feel they need to earn it themselves.     We all know where that "redistribution" goes.

That's pretty good and really highlights that "force the world to live exactly how I like it" dem mindset. The dem side holds true today, but the pub side is way less true today. They're falling into the same traps of selfishness. It's just a societal problem now. 

The Repubicans have become the Democrat party.        The Democrat party has leaped off the socialist cliff.

Overall I think both parties have been trending further into their respective directions in recent years, but I can certainly think of some aspects where what you're saying holds true. 

I'm an independent who has voted blue for a while now. 

This list is far longer than what I'm most likely going to type but what follows are the first things that pop into my mind...

The economy: I believe that the best societies are built from the bottom up and have yet to see the idea of "trickle down" working. Hence why like 10 people have 95% of all the money. All boats rise.

The constitution: I don't believe it's set in stone, hence why we have amendments, and believe we should constantly be updating it to reflect an ever evolving society.

Gun Control: I'm not for taking people's guns away but at the same time, I don't believe because you're 18 you should have carte blanche to get a gun.

Climate Change: I don't give two shits if it's man made or not, I just know it's getting hotter, and I'll vote for anyone willing to try and do something to slow it down and or stop it.

Abortion: I don't think the government should ever be in the room with a doctor and their patient.

Religion: I don't think it has any place in our government aside from the government protecting peoples rights to practice their own religion (within reason). I've always hated that it says, "In God We Trust", on our money.

War: Democrats are less likely to send our boys to die in someone else's war.

Another Civil War: I don't see any democrats chomping at the bit to start one.

Death Penalty: I'm against it. We've had it since the start of man of kind and it clearly hasn't stopped any murderers. I believe in redemption and second chances and if someone proves their incapable of change; I don't think that warrants killing them. Not to mention the insane amount of people we've locked up for 30 years only to have them proved innocent and the amount of innocent people we've put to death.

Healthcare: I think it's a human right... especially in the richest country in the world.

Immigration: I think we gotta make it a fuck load easier. Given our history of fucking up a lot of places around the world for basically nothing we should be more receptive to paying our karma tax and continuing to help people who need help.

LGBTQ+: I think you should be free to be whoever the fuck you want to be in "the land of the free" as long as it's not directly hurting (or promoting hurting) anyone else and thus have the same rights as whatever group of people in America have the most rights.

Education: I believe every child should have access to a high quality education... not just the one's whose parents can afford it.

Evolution: I believe in it.

God: I don't believe in him, but I think if you believe in your god, you should let everyone else believe in their god as well.

The Police: While I'm not a "defund the police" person, I am a "there are clearly a fair amount of bad police and we should get rid of them" person.

The Government in general: I don't think its their job to make my life better, but I do believe it's their job to insure everyone has the same level of freedom as everyone else.

Trump: I don't like anyone that claims "they are the only one that can fix our problems".

Then you look at historical difference between the parties in terms of civil rights, school integration, women in the work force, gay marriage, etc. and more often than not – to me – it has been the democrats that have done a better job of promoting equality for all. I know for many, especially as of late, it comes off very, "very in your face", but if I was ever told I couldn't eat at the same table of freedom because I had a different color skin, a different organ between my legs, or because I loved someone they didn't approve of I would be very much in your face about it as well. The sooner we all just let people be whoever the fuck they want to be (and grant them the same rights as everyone else) the less we'll have to deal with people fighting to be seen.

Yeah, the list could go on and on, but that's the shit that popped up first.

Fun thread, thanks Chance.

Independent (until very recently Republican) waiting for people to realize that neither side is evil, neither side is completely incompetent, both sides have good ideas and bad. 

The current trend of vilifying each other is playing to the extremes on both sides, eliminating meaningful debate, and creating a stagnation of meaningful process.  

We all need to cut the shit, speak, but also listen.  No where in life to people expect to get things 100% their way, accept for modern politics.  

It’s infuriating.  

Crime would be a big one to include. I think the left's take on crime in the last couple decades is no good, because you can't actually hug the rape and murder out of people. I understand why they want to, it's because they feel bad that society doesn't do more to set people up for success, but ultimately we shouldn't let these two aspects overlap into a singular issue. We shouldn't allow one failure to turn into two failures.  

What side wants to allow men to dress up as pretend women…to compete in women’s sports?

I’m not on that side.

That’s the same side that wants those boys to shower with our daughters and granddaughters. 

And there goes the thread….. 

I’ve never been “proud” to be a republican.

I’m proud to be an American.

I have conservative values. So I tend to vote that way.

I believe everyone has intrinsic value, dignity, and worth. From the unborn in the womb, to our elderly, to our special friends.

I see people as people first. Not as their political affiliation.

I will hold firm to my faith and values and I don’t find my identity in others opinions.