ESPN Top 100 athletes of 21 century - no MX rider?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Hitting a baseball from a MLB pitcher is not as easy as you think. This guy has a baseball background. 

wreckitrandy wrote:

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a...

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a double? AND, if Deegs has to hit a MLB pitcher, said lineman has to hit the finish line double at a SX. You and I both know the answer. 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

wreckitrandy wrote:

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a...

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a double? AND, if Deegs has to hit a MLB pitcher, said lineman has to hit the finish line double at a SX. You and I both know the answer. 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

wreckitrandy wrote:

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a...

Never said it was easy. Just asked a question. I'll ask it again. Which happens first, Deegs hits a baseball or, 300 pound lineman hits a double? AND, if Deegs has to hit a MLB pitcher, said lineman has to hit the finish line double at a SX. You and I both know the answer. 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

AMetts wrote:

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like...

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like 6'3" 220lbs and are still very fast and agile. Then comparing them to the skill position players its even more ridiculous. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

AMetts wrote:

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like...

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like 6'3" 220lbs and are still very fast and agile. Then comparing them to the skill position players its even more ridiculous. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

UpTiTe wrote:

Thinking about this, with most risers reflexes, hand eye coordination and dedication to training, I’d bet a lot of them would make good fighters and/or grapplers...

Thinking about this, with most risers reflexes, hand eye coordination and dedication to training, I’d bet a lot of them would make good fighters and/or grapplers. Being in top shape is half the battle. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

"Many of these guys..."It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro...

"Many of these guys..."

It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro sport. 

I will clarify.

My point is that these guys are great at motocross due to their determination, focus, athleticism, parenting, dedication at a young age, etc. They would be successful in whatever path they took, provided it didn't change the core variables. 

It's a moo point as I believe everything is perfect as is and it would be impossible to recreate the same person/experience if their sport of choice changed. Butterfly effect and all. 

In an imaginary land where Dazzy put a hockey stick in Hunter's hand and somehow the equivalent external conditions existed for Jett's development, I like his chances of getting a contract. 

Same could be said about many of these guys in whatever sport best suits their physical traits. 

We might end up in a debate as to what qualifies as a professional sport, but anyone that has the heart and courage and athleticism required to become a factory rider has what they need internally to rise to the top in anything they love. 

Edit. I see you added on about Chase. Racer X has him listed at 6'0". He could carry a lot more muscle if needed. Pro sports doesn't automatically equate to needing to be big and tall though. 

 

AMetts wrote:

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like...

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like 6'3" 220lbs and are still very fast and agile. Then comparing them to the skill position players its even more ridiculous. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

AMetts wrote:

Yeah Russel Wilson known as one of the shortest quarterbacks in the league but is very fast and can throw a ball. I like your enthusiasm but...

Yeah Russel Wilson known as one of the shortest quarterbacks in the league but is very fast and can throw a ball. 

I like your enthusiasm but saying Moto guys can be pro NFL players if they wanted to is just not a fact. If that was the case we should tell these top kids at Loretta's this week that they should pivot to football and they'll make 20 million dollars a year. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

"Many of these guys..."It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro...

"Many of these guys..."

It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro sport. 

I will clarify.

My point is that these guys are great at motocross due to their determination, focus, athleticism, parenting, dedication at a young age, etc. They would be successful in whatever path they took, provided it didn't change the core variables. 

It's a moo point as I believe everything is perfect as is and it would be impossible to recreate the same person/experience if their sport of choice changed. Butterfly effect and all. 

In an imaginary land where Dazzy put a hockey stick in Hunter's hand and somehow the equivalent external conditions existed for Jett's development, I like his chances of getting a contract. 

Same could be said about many of these guys in whatever sport best suits their physical traits. 

We might end up in a debate as to what qualifies as a professional sport, but anyone that has the heart and courage and athleticism required to become a factory rider has what they need internally to rise to the top in anything they love. 

Edit. I see you added on about Chase. Racer X has him listed at 6'0". He could carry a lot more muscle if needed. Pro sports doesn't automatically equate to needing to be big and tall though. 

 

LoudLove wrote:

MX racers rise to the top due to their focus, athleticism, determination…and lack of competition.  There are more people in Dallas County competing for a pro...

MX racers rise to the top due to their focus, athleticism, determination…and lack of competition.  There are more people in Dallas County competing for a pro basketball career than there are racers competing for a factory ride nationwide.  Mx is staffed by a very small sample set of individuals with very similar backgrounds, not supported by thousands of schools globally. 

And while Chase might excel at quarterback, the odds of him making it to the pros are near zero, just like almost every other high school QB. Guys like Altuve and Wilson defy the odds by possessing freakish athleticism and  dominating their respective sports during their teen years.  NFL prototypes exists across the country but very few play college ball, and even fewer make it to the pros.  Chase might start for an AA high school, but he’s not taking snaps at a powerhouse. 

MarkyMark wrote:

My take: Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but...

My take: 

Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. 

Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required. Just need really big/fat dudes to hold the line and small fast dudes to run and catch a ball, and 1 or 2 guys who can throw a ball. 

Basketball players - very athletic but limited in disciplines due to size.  

MX'rs - top athletes. Can crossover into many other disciplines. Eg. David Bailey after suffering paralysis competed in Ironman Triathlon. Right out the gate finished 3rd. That's how fit they are. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

You're just joking, right?The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that...

You're just joking, right?

The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that they almost seem human......

Soul Indigo wrote:

This popped across my feed. Made me think about the female athlete part of this thread. Lotte van Drunen is racing MX2 this weekend, which is badass...

This popped across my feed. Made me think about the female athlete part of this thread.

 

Lotte van Drunen is racing MX2 this weekend, which is badass. She’s gonna get smoked but she is still badass. 

Ps. Big props to the little arrows that allow you to move the cursor above or below a photo. That was such a pain in the ass when trying to add a comment to a pic or embed. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

"Many of these guys..."It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro...

"Many of these guys..."

It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro sport. 

I will clarify.

My point is that these guys are great at motocross due to their determination, focus, athleticism, parenting, dedication at a young age, etc. They would be successful in whatever path they took, provided it didn't change the core variables. 

It's a moo point as I believe everything is perfect as is and it would be impossible to recreate the same person/experience if their sport of choice changed. Butterfly effect and all. 

In an imaginary land where Dazzy put a hockey stick in Hunter's hand and somehow the equivalent external conditions existed for Jett's development, I like his chances of getting a contract. 

Same could be said about many of these guys in whatever sport best suits their physical traits. 

We might end up in a debate as to what qualifies as a professional sport, but anyone that has the heart and courage and athleticism required to become a factory rider has what they need internally to rise to the top in anything they love. 

Edit. I see you added on about Chase. Racer X has him listed at 6'0". He could carry a lot more muscle if needed. Pro sports doesn't automatically equate to needing to be big and tall though. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

AMetts wrote:

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like...

I don't think a lot of them realize that even the quarterbacks that don't run a lot like Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott are still like 6'3" 220lbs and are still very fast and agile. Then comparing them to the skill position players its even more ridiculous. 

UpTiTe wrote:

The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s...

The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s vertical is 26-36, I’d bet that would beat the majority of riders too. Go look up their shuttle times, you be surprised how agile they are too, that one my be close. 

 I really don’t think you understand the athleticism of the average nfl lineman. 

 No, they wouldn’t last on a beat track, but that endurance athletes, different than what the list is about. 

Duke28 wrote:

5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in...

5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. 
JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in cycling as well. 
How you define athleticism is your issue. Can Bolt maintain a HR of 180 for 30-60 min? 
Who has a higher lactate threshold. Bolt or sexton? Idk and I bet you don’t either.  

az2u wrote:

I wonder what percentage of a MX racer 180 HR is due to adrenaline. I'd be curious comparing HR the morning of the race, before gate...

I wonder what percentage of a MX racer 180 HR is due to adrenaline. I'd be curious comparing HR the morning of the race, before gate drop, and first turn.  

wreckitrandy wrote:

Which would you say happens first, Deegs hit's a baseball or, 300 pound NFL lineman hits a double jump?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Hitting a baseball from a MLB pitcher is not as easy as you think. This guy has a baseball background. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

Well an ex-high school player turned YouTuber who hadn’t seen a live pitch in 17 years just put a ball in play on his 2nd at...

Well an ex-high school player turned YouTuber who hadn’t seen a live pitch in 17 years just put a ball in play on his 2nd at bat.

What happens if we substitute RJ for Deegs?

LoudLove wrote:

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump...

Easy.  Clearing the double. Of course a 300 lb lineman would require a highly customized bike, but once he had practiced the basics, clearing a jump is mainly a timing issue. Change it to Larocco’s Leap and there’s a different answer. 

The best pros in the MLB struggle to hit .300. Nearly all can make contact at will, but successfully reaching base is the objective, just as clearing the jump is the objective.  Underrating professional baseball players’ athleticism fails to take into account the tremendously competitive world in which these guys exist. 

Let’s extrapolate the scenario and assume today’s MX pros were fielding pro baseball or basketball teams. Without other competitors we would consider these guys the best in the world.  Expand the gene pool to who actually competes and we soon realize our MX heroes lack certain  genetic gifts.  And when you consider that thousands of pro stick & ball athletes fall just outside the top tier, it’s not a reach to think those same athletes could transcend motocross if given the opportunity.  It’s simple statistics. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

MarkyMark wrote:

My take: Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but...

My take: 

Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. 

Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required. Just need really big/fat dudes to hold the line and small fast dudes to run and catch a ball, and 1 or 2 guys who can throw a ball. 

Basketball players - very athletic but limited in disciplines due to size.  

MX'rs - top athletes. Can crossover into many other disciplines. Eg. David Bailey after suffering paralysis competed in Ironman Triathlon. Right out the gate finished 3rd. That's how fit they are. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

You're just joking, right?The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that...

You're just joking, right?

The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that they almost seem human......

MarkyMark wrote:

Nope not joking .. just my opinion which everyone is entitled to. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Thinking about this, with most risers reflexes, hand eye coordination and dedication to training, I’d bet a lot of them would make good fighters and/or grapplers...

Thinking about this, with most risers reflexes, hand eye coordination and dedication to training, I’d bet a lot of them would make good fighters and/or grapplers. Being in top shape is half the battle. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

And they have.Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path...

And they have.

Your depth argument ignores the fact that many of the top motocross athletes could have transcended other sports if they picked a different path (to at least just outside the top tier if genetic traits hold them back from more). 

If Chase Sexton put the hours and dedication into bball or football that he put into moto, he’d be a badass PG or QB. 

Many of these guys could have gone pro in other sports if that’s where their attention and love wanted to go. 
 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

"Many of these guys..."It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro...

"Many of these guys..."

It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro sport. 

I will clarify.

My point is that these guys are great at motocross due to their determination, focus, athleticism, parenting, dedication at a young age, etc. They would be successful in whatever path they took, provided it didn't change the core variables. 

It's a moo point as I believe everything is perfect as is and it would be impossible to recreate the same person/experience if their sport of choice changed. Butterfly effect and all. 

In an imaginary land where Dazzy put a hockey stick in Hunter's hand and somehow the equivalent external conditions existed for Jett's development, I like his chances of getting a contract. 

Same could be said about many of these guys in whatever sport best suits their physical traits. 

We might end up in a debate as to what qualifies as a professional sport, but anyone that has the heart and courage and athleticism required to become a factory rider has what they need internally to rise to the top in anything they love. 

Edit. I see you added on about Chase. Racer X has him listed at 6'0". He could carry a lot more muscle if needed. Pro sports doesn't automatically equate to needing to be big and tall though. 

 

neverwas wrote:

Pro basketball player races MX,

https://racerxonline.com/2018/07/22/on-this-day-in-moto-july-22

Retired pro bbasketball player Rick Smitts races vvintage MX.

Who cares about what ESPN thinks.

Soul Indigo wrote:

This popped across my feed. Made me think about the female athlete part of this thread. Lotte van Drunen is racing MX2 this weekend, which is badass...

This popped across my feed. Made me think about the female athlete part of this thread.

 

Lotte van Drunen is racing MX2 this weekend, which is badass. She’s gonna get smoked but she is still badass. 

Ps. Big props to the little arrows that allow you to move the cursor above or below a photo. That was such a pain in the ass when trying to add a comment to a pic or embed. 

LoudLove wrote:

The ESPN poll was as much popularity contest as athletic recognition. Most of us would agree that RC is a better “athlete” than Lewis Hamilton, but...

The ESPN poll was as much popularity contest as athletic recognition. Most of us would agree that RC is a better “athlete” than Lewis Hamilton, but only one was in the top 100. 

The fact that neither Valentino Rossi nor Marc Marquez made the list further demonstrates the relative popularity of two-wheeled racing. Our sport’s recognition does not even register with people paid to follow sports!  Guys like James Stewart receive press for breaking the color barrier and being an absolute badass on the bike.  Stew should have made the list for those reasons alone. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels?  If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75...

Just out of curiosity, what factory rider could play another professional sport that doesn’t require wheels? 

 If you say Chase Sexton, remember that he is 5’11” 165-75 pounds. 

 

Soul Indigo wrote:

"Many of these guys..."It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro...

"Many of these guys..."

It feels like rereading my post would be helpful. I am not saying the current version of them could switch to another pro sport. 

I will clarify.

My point is that these guys are great at motocross due to their determination, focus, athleticism, parenting, dedication at a young age, etc. They would be successful in whatever path they took, provided it didn't change the core variables. 

It's a moo point as I believe everything is perfect as is and it would be impossible to recreate the same person/experience if their sport of choice changed. Butterfly effect and all. 

In an imaginary land where Dazzy put a hockey stick in Hunter's hand and somehow the equivalent external conditions existed for Jett's development, I like his chances of getting a contract. 

Same could be said about many of these guys in whatever sport best suits their physical traits. 

We might end up in a debate as to what qualifies as a professional sport, but anyone that has the heart and courage and athleticism required to become a factory rider has what they need internally to rise to the top in anything they love. 

Edit. I see you added on about Chase. Racer X has him listed at 6'0". He could carry a lot more muscle if needed. Pro sports doesn't automatically equate to needing to be big and tall though. 

 

UpTiTe wrote:

Ti would bet a lot of money that neither Jett or Hunter would play anything higher than jr league hockey if you put a stick in...

Ti would bet a lot of money that neither Jett or Hunter would play anything higher than jr league hockey if you put a stick in their hands at any age. 

 They are both in great shape, but neither is skating at that level. 

 I could 100% be wrong.  

 If you put more weight on Sexton, you slow him down.  

APLMAN99 wrote:

You're just joking, right?The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that...

You're just joking, right?

The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that they almost seem human......

MarkyMark wrote:

Nope not joking .. just my opinion which everyone is entitled to. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

I'm going to go out on a very strong limb and say that you have never actually been on a competitive field with any football or...

I'm going to go out on a very strong limb and say that you have never actually been on a competitive field with any football or basketball players above the 12yo level.  Otherwise, you'd probably have a better understanding of how even those pros who you don't think look athletic are absolutely incredible athletes.  The gap between HS and D1 college is absolutely mind blowing, but because everyone on the field/diamond is such a good athlete, they make us think that they are ordinary and we could all do what they do if we had the 'opportunity'.  

Too many people get their panties in a wad over feeling that the athleticism required to be a pro MX/SX racer is overlooked.  Who cares?  Most people who have ridden a lap in anger know differently.  It doesn't mean that you should feel the need to try to denigrate the athleticism it takes to participate in any other sport at the highest levels.  

People especially look at some of the big football players and comment that they can't be athletes with that much weight on them, but that actually shows how incredibly athletic they are to be doing the things they do at that size.  Here's one of those big, non-athletic dudes doing something that we can all do, obviously.  How is a non-athlete going to compete against a guy like this?

MarkyMark wrote:

Nope not joking .. just my opinion which everyone is entitled to. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

I'm going to go out on a very strong limb and say that you have never actually been on a competitive field with any football or...

I'm going to go out on a very strong limb and say that you have never actually been on a competitive field with any football or basketball players above the 12yo level.  Otherwise, you'd probably have a better understanding of how even those pros who you don't think look athletic are absolutely incredible athletes.  The gap between HS and D1 college is absolutely mind blowing, but because everyone on the field/diamond is such a good athlete, they make us think that they are ordinary and we could all do what they do if we had the 'opportunity'.  

Too many people get their panties in a wad over feeling that the athleticism required to be a pro MX/SX racer is overlooked.  Who cares?  Most people who have ridden a lap in anger know differently.  It doesn't mean that you should feel the need to try to denigrate the athleticism it takes to participate in any other sport at the highest levels.  

People especially look at some of the big football players and comment that they can't be athletes with that much weight on them, but that actually shows how incredibly athletic they are to be doing the things they do at that size.  Here's one of those big, non-athletic dudes doing something that we can all do, obviously.  How is a non-athlete going to compete against a guy like this?

Moto Braap wrote:

I am starting to realize my neglect of college football just because I don’t follow it and how they fill 90,000 seat stadiums not just because...

I am starting to realize my neglect of college football just because I don’t follow it and how they fill 90,000 seat stadiums not just because people have nothing better to do.  And fantasy leagues too.