Trump shot?

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Like other have said, how this kid knew how to not only decide to go to that building, that he was able to get inside (locked doors in most business that are closed?), roof access is normally through another locked door?

How would he know the details inside that building- and how did he get a rifle from his car to inside the building without anyone seeing? Doesn't sound like he just parked in the parking lot of the building and walk inside.

And if he pre-planned this and checked it out prior to the rally (and stashed his rifle inside), how would he know it would be left not only unlocked but also unguarded? Like OldPro said above, normally SS protection or State police would have had that building locked down and guarded. Surprised they didn't stage SS snipers on that roof too.

Of all of the law enforcement agencies on that scene, not one person looked at that building 400' away and said "hey maybe we should cover that one too"?

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"A retired sniper from a team that once held the world record for longest confirmed kill said he has “no doubts” that Trump rally gunman Thomas...

"A retired sniper from a team that once held the world record for longest confirmed kill said he has “no doubts” that Trump rally gunman Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from “an agency, an organization, or the government” during Saturday’s assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump. 

Dallas Alexander, a 17-year veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces, took to Instagram on Sunday to share his opinion on what really happened at the fateful Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania."

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What Dallas is wondering... How does a twenty-something goof from Nowhere, PA...get an opportunity to set up a Kill Box within a mile of The President...

What Dallas is wondering...

How does a twenty-something goof from Nowhere, PA...get an opportunity to set up a Kill Box within a mile of The President of the United States?

With a ladder assist....

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The ladder pic Magoo posted above answers the questions about how the kid got on top of  the building. That makes sense.

But how the hell did he get a 12' ladder there in the first place? His vehicle was not a truck- did he put it on top of his car? And no way he just went walking up carrying a 12' ladder on the day of the event without getting caught. So if he placed it there ahead of the event, did SS not screen that building prior to the event? The ladder hiding behind a bush, really?

The more that comes out about this kid, I find it hard to believe that entire SS team was that incompetent. Someone had to make a decision to leave that building unguarded and not to screen it prior to the event (like they do as normal SOP). 

That kid could not have just had that many "lucky" breaks to have all these things fall into place. 

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Can we stop referring to the Secret Service as the SS. 
 

Yet. 

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AZ35 wrote:
The ladder pic Magoo posted above answers the questions about how the kid got on top of  the building. That makes sense. But how the hell...

The ladder pic Magoo posted above answers the questions about how the kid got on top of  the building. That makes sense.

But how the hell did he get a 12' ladder there in the first place? His vehicle was not a truck- did he put it on top of his car? And no way he just went walking up carrying a 12' ladder on the day of the event without getting caught. So if he placed it there ahead of the event, did SS not screen that building prior to the event? The ladder hiding behind a bush, really?

The more that comes out about this kid, I find it hard to believe that entire SS team was that incompetent. Someone had to make a decision to leave that building unguarded and not to screen it prior to the event (like they do as normal SOP). 

That kid could not have just had that many "lucky" breaks to have all these things fall into place. 

Waaaaaay toooooo many holes in this story.

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Sandberm, with the KEPR link are you from Tri?

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According to the NY Post, Trump's SS protection is a fraction of what the sitting president gets. Couple that with the fact that most government agencies border on complete incompetence and you have the makings of a disaster like this. It hard to believe that all the stars lined up the way they did though.

 

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Forehead Nose Face Cheek Chin

IDC, that shit is hilarious. Laughing

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Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

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Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event...

Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

How long would it take him to assemble that AR? I’m sure he wasn’t trained by the Army to do it in two minutes. Shit, did he assemble the weapon before or after he got on the roof? Two minutes is forever with that amount of over watch. 
 

Im just not buying it. 

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truck wrote:
Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event...

Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

I could say the same thing and say “there is a pattern here where all the weird shit is being explained away so nobody sees what really happened.”

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truck wrote:
Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event...

Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

LungButter wrote:
I could say the same thing and say “there is a pattern here where all the weird shit is being explained away so nobody sees what...

I could say the same thing and say “there is a pattern here where all the weird shit is being explained away so nobody sees what really happened.”

Kind of like the whole, “it came from bats”. 

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truck wrote:
Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event...

Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

VL13 wrote:
How long would it take him to assemble that AR? I’m sure he wasn’t trained by the Army to do it in two minutes. Shit, did...

How long would it take him to assemble that AR? I’m sure he wasn’t trained by the Army to do it in two minutes. Shit, did he assemble the weapon before or after he got on the roof? Two minutes is forever with that amount of over watch. 
 

Im just not buying it. 

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Lets bask in the warmth of well wishes from social media shall we? Can you feel the unity?    -DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson  "I...

Lets bask in the warmth of well wishes from social media shall we? Can you feel the unity? Dry

 

-DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson

 "I certainly hope this is not a staged act. But...,”

-DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Sen. London Lamar

"While I am praying for former President Trump and hopes [sic] he makes a full recovery, the extremism from the MAGA regime has brought us to this moment,” Sen. Lamar wrote in a now-deleted X post."

-DEMOCRAT Colorado state Rep. Steve Woodrow, Denver posted

"The last thing America needed was sympathy for the devil but here we are,” 

-DEMOCRAT mayor of Aberdeen Washington Douglas Orr

“this [was] about the only thing that could happen that would artificially gain Trump sympathy votes.”

“The shooter is dead so we will never know if this was staged, I hope I’m wrong, but because of his record of deceit, that’s the first thing that came to mind.”

-Swift action was taken on Capitol Hill when Rep. Bennie Thompson, DEMOCRAT-Miss., reportedly fired staffer Jacqueline Marsaw for her comments over the weekend.

"Don’t miss next time,” Marsaw said on social media.

-Ken Gucker, a former Connecticut state representative and current candidate for office, deleted a meme posted on his account from a 1960s sitcom that he posted soon after Trump’s assassination attempt.

Missed him by that much,” Gucker’s posted meme said.

-Dave Gegorek, a producer at WBAL NewsRadio in Baltimore, took to Facebook moments after news broke of the attempted assassination.

"Someone took a shot at trump [sic] and missed. Do better next time".

It’s hard to imagine to boldness to make such hateful statements after such a tragic event. Just overflowing with compassion as usual. SMH. 

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truck wrote:
Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event...

Again, the shooter didn't have to know anything before he showed up. For all we know a nut job or two shows up at every event and then turns around and goes home when the seas don't part like they seemed to here. 

A broken down AR would fit in any backpack easily and not be noticed. 

The ladder could have been put there by police afterwards to get up there. Any pictures of the ladder there before the event? 

There is a common pattern going on here where everything is being interpreted from a starting point of assuming a conspiracy and needing everything to fit with that assumption. 

VL13 wrote:
How long would it take him to assemble that AR? I’m sure he wasn’t trained by the Army to do it in two minutes. Shit, did...

How long would it take him to assemble that AR? I’m sure he wasn’t trained by the Army to do it in two minutes. Shit, did he assemble the weapon before or after he got on the roof? Two minutes is forever with that amount of over watch. 
 

Im just not buying it. 

It's two pins. Maybe 5-10 seconds to put upper and lower together. 

https://youtu.be/3DwRsVi1E_c?si=o84-mHS2nT4yI3kS

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truck wrote:

It's two pins. Maybe 5-10 seconds to put upper and lower together. 

https://youtu.be/3DwRsVi1E_c?si=o84-mHS2nT4yI3kS

Trust me, I’m fully aware. Now do that in stress, taking the upper and lower receiver out of a bag, lining the upper with the lower and pushing pins in. I haven’t seen pics of the weapon, but a standard 16” barrel ain’t fitting in a backpack. My CQB 10.5” wouldn’t fit. 
 

Never mind the Secret Service and Local Police milling around. None of the rovers spotted this guy? All the Overwatch missed him? Maybe they shouldn’t have shot him, but hired him. That 20 year old showed up a bunch of skilled combatants. 
 

Could it happen? Sure. Did it happen the way is being displayed? No, I’m having a hard time believing it at all. 

Doesn’t matter how you spin it, it doesn’t make sense. And I’m surely not suggesting Trump set himself up. Somebody, cough CIA cough, is going to kill him.

 

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truck wrote:

It's two pins. Maybe 5-10 seconds to put upper and lower together. 

https://youtu.be/3DwRsVi1E_c?si=o84-mHS2nT4yI3kS

VL13 wrote:
Trust me, I’m fully aware. Now do that in stress, taking the upper and lower receiver out of a bag, lining the upper with the lower...

Trust me, I’m fully aware. Now do that in stress, taking the upper and lower receiver out of a bag, lining the upper with the lower and pushing pins in. I haven’t seen pics of the weapon, but a standard 16” barrel ain’t fitting in a backpack. My CQB 10.5” wouldn’t fit. 
 

Never mind the Secret Service and Local Police milling around. None of the rovers spotted this guy? All the Overwatch missed him? Maybe they shouldn’t have shot him, but hired him. That 20 year old showed up a bunch of skilled combatants. 
 

Could it happen? Sure. Did it happen the way is being displayed? No, I’m having a hard time believing it at all. 

Doesn’t matter how you spin it, it doesn’t make sense. And I’m surely not suggesting Trump set himself up. Somebody, cough CIA cough, is going to kill him.

 

 

 

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'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the shots?

Blink

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At his intro at the RNC…when the music stops…the crowd…

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! …

We don’t have to make anything up. 

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ns503 wrote:
'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the...

'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the shots?

Blink

Good point - I mean it's not like a trained shooter would have set off any red flags or caused any suspicion. 

I hope you're picking up on the sarcasm. 

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I don't know man.  Those are legit questions. I ain't a huge conspiracy theorist either. But years ago I owned a small business in Boise when...

I don't know man.  Those are legit questions.

I ain't a huge conspiracy theorist either.

But years ago I owned a small business in Boise when Obama was in town.  We were about 4 blocks from where he was gonna be speaking, the security was INSANE.  We had Secret Service stop by our location the day before to check it out and get the lay of the land.  It seems pretty wild given what I saw during that time that somehow a dude got this close to the president with a fricken' rifle, on an open rooftop that was in plain sight and somehow it was just a screw up on Secret Service part.

My only response to your questions would be....if it looked more professional it woulda been more obvious that the Democrats did it, they needed it to look like amateur hour to keep themselves outta the cross hairs.

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Not contesting anything you’re saying at all.  Brainstorming here so, bare with me.  Was the shooter a local? I haven’t gone so far as to look...

Not contesting anything you’re saying at all. 

Brainstorming here so, bare with me. 

Was the shooter a local? I haven’t gone so far as to look (yet). 

If he was, he obviously knows the lay of the land. 
Perhaps a couple days before hand, checked out the area, found his vantage point and, found a place to stash the rifle? 

He could have simply blended in with the crowd, saw an opportunity to get his shot off not caring people would see him or, that his life would end.
 

 Loners and, the kids who get picked on and, do school shootings, want their name to be remembered. In this case, he’ll be remembered for a very, very long time. He had nothing to lose and, everything to gain.

Once again, brainstorming. 

OldPro277 wrote:
Shooter was from Bethel Park which is south of Pittsburgh and Butler is north of Pitts at least 50 miles apart. Dude had to have a...

Shooter was from Bethel Park which is south of Pittsburgh and Butler is north of Pitts at least 50 miles apart. Dude had to have a few previous visits to the fairgrounds to lay out his path . However, how would he ever believe that the closest rooftop to the target would be free and clear of SS presence?? 
 

 

Could he have had more than one spot set up? Maybe the Secret Service figured being that close, they had it covered from their vantage points.

Right now, everything is pretty much speculation. We will probably never know the truth honestly. 

 
 

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Lets bask in the warmth of well wishes from social media shall we? Can you feel the unity?    -DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson  "I...

Lets bask in the warmth of well wishes from social media shall we? Can you feel the unity? Dry

 

-DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson

 "I certainly hope this is not a staged act. But...,”

-DEMOCRAT Tennessee state Sen. London Lamar

"While I am praying for former President Trump and hopes [sic] he makes a full recovery, the extremism from the MAGA regime has brought us to this moment,” Sen. Lamar wrote in a now-deleted X post."

-DEMOCRAT Colorado state Rep. Steve Woodrow, Denver posted

"The last thing America needed was sympathy for the devil but here we are,” 

-DEMOCRAT mayor of Aberdeen Washington Douglas Orr

“this [was] about the only thing that could happen that would artificially gain Trump sympathy votes.”

“The shooter is dead so we will never know if this was staged, I hope I’m wrong, but because of his record of deceit, that’s the first thing that came to mind.”

-Swift action was taken on Capitol Hill when Rep. Bennie Thompson, DEMOCRAT-Miss., reportedly fired staffer Jacqueline Marsaw for her comments over the weekend.

"Don’t miss next time,” Marsaw said on social media.

-Ken Gucker, a former Connecticut state representative and current candidate for office, deleted a meme posted on his account from a 1960s sitcom that he posted soon after Trump’s assassination attempt.

Missed him by that much,” Gucker’s posted meme said.

-Dave Gegorek, a producer at WBAL NewsRadio in Baltimore, took to Facebook moments after news broke of the attempted assassination.

"Someone took a shot at trump [sic] and missed. Do better next time".

Psssst…

You forgot one from 2 weeks before all this went down…

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Oh…and…I almost forgot…

#FJB

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ns503 wrote:
'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the...

'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the shots?

Blink

He was within an inch or so… after being rushed… so why wouldn’t they?

edit: also, how many are saying “they wouldn’t have chose him?

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Oh…and…I almost forgot…

#FJB

Let's Go Brandon!!!

Gotta keep it civil.Grinning

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TeamGreen wrote:

Oh…and…I almost forgot…

#FJB

Let's Go Brandon!!! Gotta keep it civil.

Let's Go Brandon!!!

Gotta keep it civil.Grinning

Both iterations work for drawing out my fan club. Laughing

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This is hilarious. So much coming to light. And our poor little downvoting lurkers are pulling their remaining hair out.   It's also been pointed out...

This is hilarious.

So much coming to light.

And our poor little downvoting lurkers are pulling their remaining hair out.

 

It's also been pointed out that a couple of the one's up there with him, had no idea what to do.

 

There's a vid where it breaks down the audio. 

You can hear one of the female officers saying,

"What do we do...what do we do...??"

Followed up by showing one fumbling for her firearm.

 

Obviously a couple of cheadle's dei agents.

 

Dan Bongino (a former SS agent for obama) is all over this.

And is he pissed about the entired bungled chain of events. 

From the pre event set up, to the lack of communication all throughout, to the actions taken on stage.

 

Mayorkas and Cheadle don't look too good.

Mayorkas is reason enough to vote biden out of office.

 

DB knows things a few of the haters in here don’t want to know…

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This is hilarious. So much coming to light. And our poor little downvoting lurkers are pulling their remaining hair out.   It's also been pointed out...

This is hilarious.

So much coming to light.

And our poor little downvoting lurkers are pulling their remaining hair out.

 

It's also been pointed out that a couple of the one's up there with him, had no idea what to do.

 

There's a vid where it breaks down the audio. 

You can hear one of the female officers saying,

"What do we do...what do we do...??"

Followed up by showing one fumbling for her firearm.

 

Obviously a couple of cheadle's dei agents.

 

Dan Bongino (a former SS agent for obama) is all over this.

And is he pissed about the entired bungled chain of events. 

From the pre event set up, to the lack of communication all throughout, to the actions taken on stage.

 

Mayorkas and Cheadle don't look too good.

Mayorkas is reason enough to vote biden out of office.

 

olds cool wrote:

DB knows things a few of the haters in here don’t want to know…

DB is a bad ass.

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7/15/2024 9:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2024 9:53pm
ns503 wrote:
'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the...

'They' go to all that trouble to line up a setup to take out the former POTUS - and 'they' pick that guy to take the shots?

Blink

With all due respect. Maybe that’s the exact reason why ‘they’ chose him cause ‘they’ knew folks like you would buy it hook line and sinker. 
 

They can’t exactly just throw a trained CIA sniper up there, that’d be a tad too obvious don’t ya think?

 

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Just heard the shooter referred to as Ree Tardy Oswald and cannot stop laughing

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