Track sued for $2.2 mill- what's your opinion?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:49am
I left the guy's name (and the defendant's) out to avoid the kneejerk public crucifixion- but this is an interesting case. Whoever is interested could find out who he is anyhow (I've never heard of him)- and Cali guys probably have heard about this. Anyhow, read the last line to read how effective a waiver really is!:
Please don't turn this into a bashing thread, because I don't want to be the start of that:


legal summary:
On March 11, 2004, plaintiff ****** paid to ride his dirt bike at Sand Hill Ranch Motocross in Brentwood, California, when he unexpectedly rode off an unmarked 20-foot cliff onto boulders below sustaining serious injuries.

The motocross park was owned by defendant ********, who purchased this 80 acre facility in 1973. In 1999 he sold half of the park to Brentwood Rod and Gun Club. The sale required the gun club to erect a boundary line fence to keep motorcyclist off the Gun Club property. The Gun Club took down the fence after one or two years. Preexisting motocross trails led to the Gun Clubs property which used to be part of the motorcycle park.

In early 2004, the Gun Club did some grading on its land to prepare to build a shooting range. The Club dumped a considerable amount of the dirt in a ravine behind two trees on a neighboring third person’s property. This third person's property also used to be part of the motocross park. In fact, when the property was part of the motorcycle park at least two trails led into the ravine. The Gun Club’s dirt created a 20 foot cliff made out of fill material.

When ******* visited the motorcycle park on March 11, 2004, he intended to do some off-road trail riding on trails that had existed when he was last in the area seven years earlier. His intention was to use one of the ravine trails. The trail had since been smoothed out and widened, and led directly to a blind cliff hidden behind the trees just before the ravine.

********** approached the trees on a flat straight of way and slowed down as he rounded the trees to get to the ravine trail had taken in the past. The edge of the cliff blended in with the roadway in the distance and he thought the trail dipped down and continued. Much to his surprise, he found himself in mid-air, flying off a cliff onto the rocks below.

******** sustained over 30 fractures of his thoracic spine, the most significant of which was a T7 burst fracture. He had surgery with Dr. Hieu Ball of Walnut Creek to install hardware which fused T3-T9. He had a later surgery to remove the hardware. He is left with constant pain in his toracic spine and cannot participate in any contact sports or activities. This includes serious dirt biking which was his passion. He was a professional motocross rider for ten years.

He also sustained a displaced and comminuted fracture of his right (major) wrist which required surgery by Dr. Coufal of Walnut Creek. The fracture lines disrupted the wrist joint and he suffers from traumatic arthritis which will only get worse.

******** also missed 15 months from his employment.

The economic damages were $518,000 consisting of $382,000 in medical bills and $136,000 in earnings loss.

Plaintiff claimed negligence against Sand Hill Ranch Motocross and Brentwood Rod and Gun Club. The evidence showed that the Gun Club created the cliff, though it denied it. [b:12e51xgk]Both defendants contended that a release signed by plaintiff barred his claim and that there was significant comparative negligence and that he assumed the risk of injury.[/b:12e51xgk]

Plaintiff contended that it was foreseeable that neighboring motorcyclists would come onto the Gun Club property so the Club should have kept the fence up and should not have created the cliff. Plaintiff also contended that the release did not release the defendants and that after the Gun Club took down the fence, Sand Hill Ranch Motocross should have replaced it. Plaintiff’s theory, in a nutshell, was a “fence makes sense.” [b:12e51xgk]A motorcycle patron is entitled to know the boundaries of the park when he is paying for the privilege of riding there.[/b:12e51xgk] Sand Hill Ranch Motocross has since completely fenced its property.

Outcome: A[b:12e51xgk]rbitrator Michael Ney found that the release that ******** signed was vague and ambiguous[/b:12e51xgk] and that Sand Hill Ranch Motocross was fully liable for********s injuries. Ney awarded ******** $2,268,491.
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wow the guy made 136K per year ?, wish I made that much.
2/15/2008 10:47am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="500guy":2zh1ymqt]wow the guy made 136K per year ?, wish I made that much.[/quote:2zh1ymqt]

No, he only made 108,799.92 a year the 136k was for 15 months.... :D
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2/15/2008 10:50am
The guy had a procard for ten years and goes out and tries to ride a trail he hasn't been on for seven years and he just assumes it hadn't changed? Oh brother! It's sad but I assume the next step is for the MX folks to now sue the gun club for taking the fence down.
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2/15/2008 10:56am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
Hmm...I don't know. I have always felt that the signed wavers at the track would never hold up, unless there is positive evidence that the rider was negligent.
From the description though , the guy was railing the trail and was not concerned about environmental changes.

I hope this guy doesn't ride out the desert <img class= " title="Razz">

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2/15/2008 10:57am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="500guy":2vz5oikp]wow the guy made 136K per year ?, wish I made that much.[/quote:2vz5oikp]

136K in 15 months. Still a lot of dough.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, they guy should have known to be careful when riding unknown trails.
On the other hand, the track needs to make things safe for the riders, and this isn't.

My son and I had a similar thing happen when we visited Aonia Pass in GA a few years ago. He was riding on the supercross track, and had ridden a few laps when he slightly overshot a jump and landed on the left edge of the track that had a big revine that we were all barely missing. Rain runoff had created it, and It was litteraly on the last 2 feet of the left edge of the track. He hit it and flew off the track, down about 20 feet, and laid there for a long time. Nobody even knew where he was including me. Luckily he only had the wind knocked out of him and some bumps, scrapes and bruises. IMO, the track should have taken care of that safety issue - I can't say that I wouldn't have taken some legal action if something worse had happened to him because of it. Tracks should take care of any issues where safety is a concern.
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2/15/2008 11:00am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="docweedon":26mch206]From the description though , the guy was railing the trail and was not concerned about environmental changes.

I hope this guy doesn't ride out the desert <img class= " title="Razz">[/quote:26mch206]

I've always be scared to trail ride for just this reason. I only ride closed course with flaggers.
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2/15/2008 11:02am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":1fjnf3nb][quote="500guy":1fjnf3nb]wow the guy made 136K per year ?, wish I made that much.[/quote:1fjnf3nb]

136K in 15 months. Still a lot of dough.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, they guy should have known to be careful when riding unknown trails.
On the other hand, the track needs to make things safe for the riders, and this isn't.

My son and I had a similar thing happen when we visited Aonia Pass in GA a few years ago. He was riding on the supercross track, and had ridden a few laps when he slightly overshot a jump and landed on the left edge of the track that had a big revine that we were all barely missing. Rain runoff had created it, and It was litteraly on the last 2 feet of the left edge of the track. He hit it and flew off the track, down about 20 feet, and laid there for a long time. Nobody even knew where he was including me. Luckily he only had the wind knocked out of him and some bumps, scrapes and bruises. IMO, the track should have taken care of that safety issue - I can't say that I wouldn't have taken some legal action if something worse had happened to him because of it. Tracks should take care of any issues where safety is a concern.[/quote:1fjnf3nb]Rain washout and you would've sued???? What if it was a tree??? Maybe a kicker on one of the jumps.??? Where does it end??? Just asking.
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2/15/2008 11:11am
It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?
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2/15/2008 11:14am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":3gwy8wdh]It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?[/quote:3gwy8wdh]
That's called the Daytona SX.
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2/15/2008 11:14am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="teggers":we10qs1o][quote="docweedon":we10qs1o]From the description though , the guy was railing the trail and was not concerned about environmental changes.

I hope this guy doesn't ride out the desert <img class= " title="Razz">[/quote:we10qs1o]

I've always be scared to trail ride for just this reason. I only ride closed course with flaggers.[/quote:we10qs1o]

trail riding can be relaxing if you are going at a slow pace and just taking everything in, but if you want to blaze through a trail you need to be extremely focused and alert, not to mention have some decent bike skills to negotiate unexpected obstacles that may pop up. In my opinion, the best thing to always do on most trails is to check them out first, and if you feel like blasting through them or part of them after that then back track and do them at a faster speed. From my experience trails can also be deceiving, sometimes you may be looking at a long straight ahead of you and think its all good, but little do you know there is a blind drop off awaiting you, not good.

Anyways my opinion on this case is very torn, i feel bad for the people who own the track, but i also think that rider deserved some kind of compensation. The article never quite made it clear as to how he came upon the drop off though, at what speed? He claims he was being cautious, was he really?What is the definition of caution there? Was it a situation where it looked like a hill he could go down but the hill stopped and just went straight into a drop off, in which case he may have tried to stop when he realised what has happening but couldn't and fell over the edge? To me it is a complicated situation, even more complicated because there is more than two parties involved.
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2/15/2008 11:17am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":2azhjwvc]It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?[/quote:2azhjwvc]No probably not but I would have left before an accident occured not sued the track after the fact.
2/15/2008 11:21am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
Opinion? Makes we want to vomit.

What happened to just being responsible for yourself, rather than just trying to use the government gun to rape whoever you can?

If it was me, as I was laying arms and legs akimbo on the rocks, I'd be thinking "What a fucking asshole I am!"
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2/15/2008 11:25am
I don't ever go ride in open pits or unofficial public riding areas. I've just seen too much. My main worry is head on collisions.
When I was about 12 I hopped on my XR80 after school and blasted off into the orchard behind my house. I came over my favorite trail jump tapped out...the last thing I remember is the neighbor kid on his Montgomery Ward 5 HP minibike right in front of me.
One second I was riding along having fun... the next I was laying in the weeds staring at the sky wondering where I was, who I was, and why my head hurt. Since then I have a phobia of going over a blind jump or crest on an unmarked trail. We both ended up alright, but I knew the potential for a serious injury was very real.
In this case, the guy probably should have been more careful on unfamiliar terrain. And the track should have been fenced. As you can see, courts tend to rule in favor of the plaintiff in cases like this.
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2/15/2008 11:27am
With a jury of his peers, ie. mx'ers, he'd lose for sure. Too bad none of the jury members will be riders and they will probably rule in his favor.
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2/15/2008 11:35am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="rocrac":1dg72nzx][quote="MXRose3":1dg72nzx]It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?[/quote:1dg72nzx]No probably not but I would have left before an accident occured not sued the track after the fact.[/quote:1dg72nzx]

Ok, now lets say that hole was a little off to one side and you could avoid it if you hit the jump right.
Would you still ride the track?
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2/15/2008 11:39am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":1tgv2j8c][quote="rocrac":1tgv2j8c][quote="MXRose3":1tgv2j8c]It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?[/quote:1tgv2j8c]No probably not but I would have left before an accident occured not sued the track after the fact.[/quote:1tgv2j8c]

Ok, now lets say that hole was a little off to one side and you could avoid it if you hit the jump right.
Would you still ride the track?[/quote:1tgv2j8c]
Hard to say without seeing it but it would be my decision to ride it and if I screwed up and got hurt I sure as hell wouldn't be looking to blame someone else.
2/15/2008 11:43am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="500guy":1oiejdl6]wow the guy made 136K per year ?, wish I made that much.[/quote:1oiejdl6]


Uncle Sam wishes you did, too.
2/15/2008 11:51am
Sand Hill just doesn't catch a break. They got sued a while back because some bonehead got out on the track while they were watering it (I guess they warned him to get off the track) and he hit a truck on the track going full speed. That place is awesome, definitely one of my favorite tracks I've ridden plus its got a lot of history there. I blew out my knee there over a year ago and sucked it up and went to the hospital, got things taken care of and drained my bank account a bit but never once thought to sue the track. I was told that even though you sign the waiver, it doesn't really mean anything if you have a good lawyer, go figure. People suck sometimes.
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2/15/2008 11:54am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="rocrac":1opyefu3]Hard to say without seeing it but it would be my decision to ride it and if I screwed up and got hurt I sure as hell wouldn't be looking to blame someone else.[/quote:1opyefu3]

Lets say you briefly walked the track and didn't see it.
Then you paid your $$ to ride.
When you rode around the track the first couple of laps slow, then you saw it.

My son screwed up by *slightly* overjumping the jump and getting taken out by that.
Theres no reason for something like that on a motocross track. Thats why they have equipment to prep the track beforehand.
I'm 44 and I've been riding since I was 16, and I don't agree with people that sue a track like RC16 did, but in this case the track owner was clearly at fault IMO.

I'm not sure what to think about this guy in this article though.
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2/15/2008 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":1f726pd7]Lets say you briefly walked the track and didn't see it.
Then you paid your $$ to ride.
When you rode around the track the first couple of laps slow, then you saw it.

My son screwed up by *slightly* overjumping the jump and getting taken out by that.
Theres no reason for something like that on a motocross track. Thats why they have equipment to prep the track beforehand.
I'm 44 and I've been riding since I was 16, and I don't agree with people that sue a track like RC16 did, but in this case the track owner was clearly at fault IMO.[/quote:1f726pd7]

Every track has hazards like that. It's the rider's responsibility to maintain control and assess all potential risks on and around the track. Just the other day I was at a track that has a big 70' catapult. I looked at the short, narrow landing zone and decided I wouldn't jump it. I could see myself landing off the side of it and eating shit so I passed. Later that day one of the guys did exactly that. He accepted full responsibility for his minor rider error that resulted in a hard get off.
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2/15/2008 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2008 12:19pm
I hate to say it, I do see negligence.

Examine this for a moment, the defendants (Track -A / Gun Club - Cool did not properly mark the facilities boundaries and defendant B cleared, widened and graded an existing trail to go off a cliff.

Think about that.

You did not know the property ended, because it was not marked or fenced.
You were riding down what is essentially a road to nowhere...off a cliff
No signs, no cautions, no markings
I think it is fair to assume that a cleared and graded trail will not go directly off a cliff.

IMO, negligence falls on the track for not marking the property line by either signage and/or a fence, and such markings should have stated that they're not responsible for anything beyond their property.
Negligence falls on the gun club for removing the fence, not properly marking their property line, clearing and grading a trail to run off a cliff and not marking the trail's end with any warning or signage.

It is reasonable for anyone riding on a cleared and graded dirt road trail to think that it will not end at a cliff without any signage or warning

Flame away, but both defendants were in the wrong
2/15/2008 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="OldTiddler":226f5k8o]Opinion? Makes we want to vomit.

What happened to just being responsible for yourself, rather than just trying to use the government gun to rape whoever you can?

If it was me, as I was laying arms and legs akimbo on the rocks, I'd be thinking "What a fucking asshole I am!"[/quote:226f5k8o]



Amen Brother!!!! I dont know when but most so called MX riders have turned into a bunch of finger pointing wusses that cant take responsiblty for there own actions.
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2/15/2008 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="CamP":3m4v54uv][quote="MXRose3":3m4v54uv]Lets say you briefly walked the track and didn't see it.
Then you paid your $$ to ride.
When you rode around the track the first couple of laps slow, then you saw it.

My son screwed up by *slightly* overjumping the jump and getting taken out by that.
Theres no reason for something like that on a motocross track. Thats why they have equipment to prep the track beforehand.
I'm 44 and I've been riding since I was 16, and I don't agree with people that sue a track like RC16 did, but in this case the track owner was clearly at fault IMO.[/quote:3m4v54uv]

Every track has hazards like that. It's the rider's responsibility to maintain control and assess all potential risks on and around the track. Just the other day I was at a track that has a big 70' catapult. I looked at the short, narrow landing zone and decided I wouldn't jump it. I could see myself landing off the side of it and eating shit so I passed. Later that day one of the guys did exactly that. He accepted full responsibility for his minor rider error that resulted in a hard get off.[/quote:3m4v54uv]

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2/15/2008 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="CamP":2cc3hi3p][quote="MXRose3":2cc3hi3p]Lets say you briefly walked the track and didn't see it.
Then you paid your $$ to ride.
When you rode around the track the first couple of laps slow, then you saw it.

My son screwed up by *slightly* overjumping the jump and getting taken out by that.
Theres no reason for something like that on a motocross track. Thats why they have equipment to prep the track beforehand.
I'm 44 and I've been riding since I was 16, and I don't agree with people that sue a track like RC16 did, but in this case the track owner was clearly at fault IMO.[/quote:2cc3hi3p]

Every track has hazards like that. It's the rider's responsibility to maintain control and assess all potential risks on and around the track. Just the other day I was at that has a big 70' catapult. I looked at the short, narrow landing zone and decided I wouldn't jump it. I could see myself landing off the side of it and eating shit so I passed. Later that day one of the guys did exactly that. He accepted full responsibility for his minor rider error that resulted in a hard get off.[/quote:2cc3hi3p]

And we are the only ones that pay our good hard earned $$ and just accept it as 'thats the way it is'

If you drove your car on the highway and hit a big hole that sucked your car into it and you ended up paralyzed, would you just say 'oh, it was my fault for taking the chance to drive on the road'.

a 10' deep hole on the track from rain runoff is unacceptable. That is just asking for a lawsuit IMO.
Track owners have a certain responsibility to the riders that pay them money.
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2/15/2008 12:19pm
Seven years since he'd been on the trail? The guy is obviously not thinking straight. But that is the exact reason that track owners need to minimize potential hazards and risks. Hopefully track owners look at this and learn from it. There are a lot of stupid people paying money to ride on tracks and track owners are gladly taking their money. Track owners owe it to the riders to give them as safe an area as possible. It's still dangerous and people will still get injured and die but Swap should never have hit that big fucking tire the other day. That was poor track design at it's finest.
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2/15/2008 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="`ol Ger":t5xi4ff3]crap[/quote:t5xi4ff3]
Excuse me?
2/15/2008 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
CamP has it exactly right.

In fact, it's nothing short of a gigantic miracle that any MX tracks are open, anywhere, given that MXRose's attitude is becoming prevalent .

What do you get when you pair a sport that is progressively more dangerous with an increasingly litigious society, and then throw in a government that has a history of banning off-road vehicles and land use thereof?

It's will come to an end--thanks to MXRose and like-minded assholes everywhere who don't assume the risk for themselves, but instead are willing to throw it around at people that can't and shouldn't bear it, calling attention to their own sport as a "problem".
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2/15/2008 12:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="OldTiddler":afy22po9]CamP has it exactly right.

In fact, it's nothing short of a gigantic miracle that any MX tracks are open, anywhere, given that MXRose's attitude is becoming prevalent .

What do you get when you pair a sport that is progressively more dangerous with an increasingly litigious society, and then throw in a government that has a history of banning off-road vehicles and land use thereof?

It's will come to an end--thanks to MXRose and like-minded assholes everywhere who don't assume the risk for themselves, but instead are willing to throw it around at people that can't and shouldn't bear it, calling attention to their own sport as a "problem".[/quote:afy22po9]

Excuse me fuckhead?
Did I call any of you an asshole?
I was simply stating my opinion about some tracks lack of attention to safety.
If you want the sport to continue like this, be my guest and just accept any safety hazard and keep on paying the track owners the money and let more people get hurt in situations like this.
I never said I agreed with the RC16 scenario.
Now go fuck yourself Tiddler.
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2/15/2008 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:11pm
[quote="MXRose3":2ios59t4]It hadn't rained in days. They could have fixed that.

Would you ride on a track that had a big hole in the middle of the track after a big jump?[/quote:2ios59t4]

No. I'm smart enough to roll around the tracks I ride and check out obstacles that might be dangerous if I make a mistake and wind up where I didn't plan on being.

So you would have sued the track owners/operators for your son's lack of proper sighting of the track and it's obstacles, and then riding off course and striking one of these obstacles? Gimme a break....

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