The GPs are the better series.....

Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 7:57pm
Now that I have your attention, let me explain.

The AMA field is full of great riders, but the GPs have the deeper field. How can that be? For no other reason than all the top contenders either choose not to race the Nationals or have been taken out by SX injuries.

The GPs have works bikes and new technologies, the likes of which cannot be equaled in the US due to the production rule.

You want more racing? How about longer motos for the Euros?

TV package? No TV for the Euros but Freecaster can be watched right away and commercial free!

I don't care for the lack of purse, the exhorbitant entry fees, etc. That being said, that stuff doesn't affect me as a fan that just wants to watch moto.

I've always been a fan of the US series first and foremost due to the proximity of the races to where I live, but I'm really starting to enjoy the European series. I know it's not a popular opinion around here but if you're looking for great MX, check it out.

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4/25/2010 1:01pm
I would love to see some TV coverage here in the US. I love the AMA Nationals, but I'm growing tired of them at the same time. Same with SX. I just want more of a variety. With that being said, would some network here in the states please bring the GP's???
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4/25/2010 1:12pm
Someone will find a way to argue with everything you just said.
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4/25/2010 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2010 1:19pm
I dont think anyone disputes that Team USA is the fastest country but at the MXoN the riders took to the track 9 times and only once did an AMA rider come out on top. Even that was only when the top 5 FIM riders got taken out at the start. When the race gets held in America Id expect things to be other way round. Horses for courses and all. thier both great series but US has SX as well so some riders will allways head west. theyve both got good and bad points.
4/25/2010 1:22pm
My point is simply that I'm tired of SX and I really couldn't care less about it. You don't need to have Stewart, Villopoto or Dungey on the starting line to have great racing. All I want is real MX and all the top riders racing against each other. That's increasingly difficult to find in the US.

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So when the Nationals start you'll be happy again ymean :0)
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4/25/2010 1:26pm
No need to explain. From what I have seen of the GP series they look like a very nice program.
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4/25/2010 1:41pm
Today's GP's remind me a little of yesteryear's MX Nat's - deeper fields, longer motos, works bikes, etc.

Frankly, I could do without US SX altogether and just make the outdoor season longer.
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4/25/2010 1:48pm
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round.
The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception of Southwick.
The reason the top GP guys come here is to become millionares because they know, and then show that they are equal or better than our top riders. The top guys in the world deserve to make as much money as they can. Euro's are also willing to sacrifice more in their quest for success. The US guys way the money vs. hardship and take the easy way out 99% of the time. It is the american way.
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4/25/2010 2:35pm
jaeckle wrote:
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round. The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception...
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round.
The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception of Southwick.
The reason the top GP guys come here is to become millionares because they know, and then show that they are equal or better than our top riders. The top guys in the world deserve to make as much money as they can. Euro's are also willing to sacrifice more in their quest for success. The US guys way the money vs. hardship and take the easy way out 99% of the time. It is the american way.
that would have been a Hall Of Fame post if you had remembered to mention that the GP's dont smooth out the tracks like Mxsports does . still a pretty good post ....
4/25/2010 2:49pm
ky_savage wrote:
I would love to see some TV coverage here in the US. I love the AMA Nationals, but I'm growing tired of them at the same...
I would love to see some TV coverage here in the US. I love the AMA Nationals, but I'm growing tired of them at the same time. Same with SX. I just want more of a variety. With that being said, would some network here in the states please bring the GP's???
With a few clicks of the mouse you can watch them all at www.freecaster.tv

4/25/2010 2:51pm
World GP are long boring races, closer to an Enduro race than a MX race!

AMA is not far behind going to be another long season if James does come back cant wait to see him hit the lead at the end of the first lap and then sit and watch another 35 + minutes of him smoking the field. Hopefully Chad and Dungey have something for him.

AMA and the Euros need to look at Aussie land, We have quick riders our formats are always different and keep it interesting and gives riders with different strengths ways to show that.

our first round was 3 x 20minute motos, normal format three races spread out during the day.

Round 2, 4 x 15 minute motos back to back! 5 minute break from when leader went across the line between moto 1 and 2 and motos 3 and 4, with a ten minute break between moto 2 and 3.

Not only is the action on the track great but also the action behind the gates in the pit area watching teams and mechanics work their buts off getting ready for the next moto.

Think we are back to are more traditional form this coming weekend.
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aaryn #234 wrote:
World GP are long boring races, closer to an Enduro race than a MX race! AMA is not far behind going to be another long season...
World GP are long boring races, closer to an Enduro race than a MX race!

AMA is not far behind going to be another long season if James does come back cant wait to see him hit the lead at the end of the first lap and then sit and watch another 35 + minutes of him smoking the field. Hopefully Chad and Dungey have something for him.

AMA and the Euros need to look at Aussie land, We have quick riders our formats are always different and keep it interesting and gives riders with different strengths ways to show that.

our first round was 3 x 20minute motos, normal format three races spread out during the day.

Round 2, 4 x 15 minute motos back to back! 5 minute break from when leader went across the line between moto 1 and 2 and motos 3 and 4, with a ten minute break between moto 2 and 3.

Not only is the action on the track great but also the action behind the gates in the pit area watching teams and mechanics work their buts off getting ready for the next moto.

Think we are back to are more traditional form this coming weekend.
thats just dumb.
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4/25/2010 2:57pm
Yeah that does sound pretty dumb
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4/25/2010 2:57pm
Oh Gawd, not this shit again...
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4/25/2010 2:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2010 2:58pm
Do they have an egg and spoon race at rd4?
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Asher wrote:
thats just dumb.
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4/25/2010 3:05pm
LOL i guess the to Brits that dont like and think it is dumb just found out Billy Mackenzie went down at round 2 in Australia under that format.

Whats dumb about keeping the racing close and the spectators interested?

Lites class 3 seperate motos winners, only rider to win two motos from Memory was PJ Larsen.

Open class for seperate motos winners Mackenzie won the first before crashing in the second, tough unit though got back out and tried to race the 3rd.

Great to see people that knock an idea before seeing it first hand, but hey i guess any type of change or forward thinking is stupid.

as for the egg and spoon race that is just stupid why would you have an egg and spoon race at a motocross meet, your just plain weird.
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4/25/2010 3:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2010 3:11pm
An egg and spoon race would fit right into the wacky zany schedule then. Im from Australia mate and I can tell you that programmes just plain fckin stupid lol
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aaryn #234 wrote:
LOL i guess the to Brits that dont like and think it is dumb just found out Billy Mackenzie went down at round 2 in Australia...
LOL i guess the to Brits that dont like and think it is dumb just found out Billy Mackenzie went down at round 2 in Australia under that format.

Whats dumb about keeping the racing close and the spectators interested?

Lites class 3 seperate motos winners, only rider to win two motos from Memory was PJ Larsen.

Open class for seperate motos winners Mackenzie won the first before crashing in the second, tough unit though got back out and tried to race the 3rd.

Great to see people that knock an idea before seeing it first hand, but hey i guess any type of change or forward thinking is stupid.

as for the egg and spoon race that is just stupid why would you have an egg and spoon race at a motocross meet, your just plain weird.
I prefer the longer moto format because if someone goes down they get a chance to go balls out and charge back through the field.

A 15 minute moto is about 7 laps on the GP tracks.....what the hell do you expect to see in a 7 lap race ?

Yeah the British people must not like it because Billy Mac just went down......anything new there ?
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4/25/2010 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:23pm
aaryn #234 wrote:
LOL i guess the to Brits that dont like and think it is dumb just found out Billy Mackenzie went down at round 2 in Australia...
LOL i guess the to Brits that dont like and think it is dumb just found out Billy Mackenzie went down at round 2 in Australia under that format.

Whats dumb about keeping the racing close and the spectators interested?

Lites class 3 seperate motos winners, only rider to win two motos from Memory was PJ Larsen.

Open class for seperate motos winners Mackenzie won the first before crashing in the second, tough unit though got back out and tried to race the 3rd.

Great to see people that knock an idea before seeing it first hand, but hey i guess any type of change or forward thinking is stupid.

as for the egg and spoon race that is just stupid why would you have an egg and spoon race at a motocross meet, your just plain weird.
I think there is something to be said for varying it a bit, but the Aussie way sounds a bit erratic no? I do tend to agree that sometimes the GP motos feel as though they drag on a little bit at times, but I guess its supposed to be more of a test of endurance aswell as speed. Id be shagged! Grin edit: if I still had a bike Sad


This season our British Championship changed to 3 race, 20 min moto format, and personally from a fans point of view I like it, more starts make it more exciting. The Red Bull Pro Nationals (our other national series) run two, longer motos but mix MX1 with MX2 so both classes race together which is quite interesting.
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4/25/2010 4:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2010 4:22pm
jaeckle wrote:
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round. The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception...
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round.
The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception of Southwick.
The reason the top GP guys come here is to become millionares because they know, and then show that they are equal or better than our top riders. The top guys in the world deserve to make as much money as they can. Euro's are also willing to sacrifice more in their quest for success. The US guys way the money vs. hardship and take the easy way out 99% of the time. It is the american way.
eddie wrote:
that would have been a Hall Of Fame post if you had remembered to mention that the GP's dont smooth out the tracks like Mxsports does...
that would have been a Hall Of Fame post if you had remembered to mention that the GP's dont smooth out the tracks like Mxsports does . still a pretty good post ....
I don't know; watched Mantova and that track was worked between motos. I think this "we don't work the tracks" angles is a bit of a myth that get played.

I definitely agree that SX affects the field by the time the racing comes around. It always has; maybe it will when YS and the FIM follow through on their plan to run the GPs after SX rather than head to head with it in the early part of the GP season.
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jaeckle wrote:
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round. The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception...
The GPs have heritage and culture. Works bikes. Different soil types at every round.
The US National tracks are nearly all the same with the exception of Southwick.
The reason the top GP guys come here is to become millionares because they know, and then show that they are equal or better than our top riders. The top guys in the world deserve to make as much money as they can. Euro's are also willing to sacrifice more in their quest for success. The US guys way the money vs. hardship and take the easy way out 99% of the time. It is the american way.
eddie wrote:
that would have been a Hall Of Fame post if you had remembered to mention that the GP's dont smooth out the tracks like Mxsports does...
that would have been a Hall Of Fame post if you had remembered to mention that the GP's dont smooth out the tracks like Mxsports does . still a pretty good post ....
I don't know; watched Mantova and that track was worked between motos. I think this "we don't work the tracks" angles is a bit of a...
I don't know; watched Mantova and that track was worked between motos. I think this "we don't work the tracks" angles is a bit of a myth that get played.

I definitely agree that SX affects the field by the time the racing comes around. It always has; maybe it will when YS and the FIM follow through on their plan to run the GPs after SX rather than head to head with it in the early part of the GP season.
They work on the holeshot and the faces of some jumps. Everything else is left untouched.
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Why doesnt Alex Ovechkin stay at home and play in the Russian premier league? Why doesn't LaBron go play in italy? Why does Marion Rivera play in MLB? For the same reason JMB, Albee, Langston, Reed, Rattray, Pourcel and Searle came to the USA to race motocross. They want to compete against the best and get compensated accordingly.
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Huckster wrote:
Why doesnt Alex Ovechkin stay at home and play in the Russian premier league? Why doesn't LaBron go play in italy? Why does Marion Rivera play...
Why doesnt Alex Ovechkin stay at home and play in the Russian premier league? Why doesn't LaBron go play in italy? Why does Marion Rivera play in MLB? For the same reason JMB, Albee, Langston, Reed, Rattray, Pourcel and Searle came to the USA to race motocross. They want to compete against the best and get compensated accordingly.
Why did David Beckham join LA Galaxy ?.....to play against the best football players in the world ? DON'T BE STUPID !

MLB is baseball right ?.....Well I honestly have never heard of those athletes you named but my theory is....maybe they don't really play much baseball in Italy or Russia ?

Why did Cristiano Ronaldo ( best football player in the world ) leave Manchester United ( who play in the best league series in the world ) to play for Real Madrid ?.....Because he doubled his weekly wage to £250,000 a week. MONEY TALKS.
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4/25/2010 4:56pm
the best soccer is in europe. He was washed up in europe and took the pay day from a lesser organization because he knew he was more marketable to the fledgling US pro league. Just as Caroili is much more marketable in the GP's then he would be over here.

The best GP riders leave europe to race the US series. Its not the other way around.
4/25/2010 5:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:23pm
I am a fan, of both the US Nationals and the MXGP series , both are great in there own right,
to day was some great racing in both classes,, Congrats to Cairoli on another gp win, and to J. Herlings on his 1st win..
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4/25/2010 5:49pm
I don't get this constant this is the better series. The best series in the world has not yet happened? It would be when the riders both from the Nats and GPs met every weekend. That wont happen. Only sent of this utopia would be the mxDn and the USGP. Everything else in between is just intermission when debating the best bla bla...

Just saying of course.
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I am a fan, of both the US Nationals and the MXGP series , both are great in there own right, to day was some great...
I am a fan, of both the US Nationals and the MXGP series , both are great in there own right,
to day was some great racing in both classes,, Congrats to Cairoli on another gp win, and to J. Herlings on his 1st win..
X2 I agree with you because you left out this SX crap.
4/25/2010 5:54pm
In how many sports do they just change the format? It's not very professional.

Do you ever go to a baseball game and they say- "okay, we're going to do ten innings today and everybody run the bases backward." Or go to a football game and they are like "touchdowns are 10 points today" etc.

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Huckster wrote:
the best soccer is in europe. He was washed up in europe and took the pay day from a lesser organization because he knew he was...
the best soccer is in europe. He was washed up in europe and took the pay day from a lesser organization because he knew he was more marketable to the fledgling US pro league. Just as Caroili is much more marketable in the GP's then he would be over here.

The best GP riders leave europe to race the US series. Its not the other way around.
David Beckham is washed up ? That's why he's been playing at AC Milan this season.

When a GP rider goes to America I say good for them. Better weather, more money, better lifestyle, easy language etc.

What i don't say is he's moving on to a better series. Personally, i'd rather watch the GP series because the racing is much better. Oh and did i mention i watch the GP's live on my TV ?

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