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mxnick 4/22/2010 9:43am
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I think it is safe to say that the noise is a primary catalyst, and most certainly was the primary issue when this whole thing started 5-6 years back, or longer.

Slater, you mentioned that the "town hates the tracks", and while i certainly dont dispute this, the burden is on the tracks to be the good guys and prove to the town that they are a respected member of the community. Do the tracks dontate any money to the towns, or the town volunteer programs? I dont know the answers, as i have not been involved in a long time.

It is worth noting that it also includes calling the judge, town and anyone else involved "f-ing" idiots...as participants in the sport, we control our own image, and how we are perceived as a group. I think it is too easy for us as a group to come cross as bumbling swearing idiots who are anti establishment...

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We at Walden playboys thought we were grandfathered in. But the town came after us. We are located just down the road from ace and ak...
We at Walden playboys thought we were grandfathered in. But the town came after us. We are located just down the road from ace and ak farms. We worked with the town and moved are races to Sat so there would not be noise on Sunday. The thing with ak farms being on the same property as Ace is that the last owner of the track worked out a deal with the town. The new owner only has about 6 or 5 years left i think to run that track. He can only hold certain number of events etc. After his time is up it is up from what i have heard.
The Ace club needs to take a bit of blame in this last round. They thought that they were "grandfathered" in as well and did not really think they needed to "talk" to the town before the judge ruled on the case based off the new zoning laws. Anthony Kalamucki owns the property that both Ace and AK farms are on. AK is ok and not bounded by the new zoning laws because the former promoter John Coen took his case to Federal court and won. The verdict was that he could stay in business and run 8 races and 8 OP's a year for I believe 10 yrs. Ace was not part of that case and now is subject to the new zoning. The club needs to sit down with the town board and work this out.

Although Walden did work with the town and came up with an agreement, I am hearing they are not out of the woods yet either. I heard about a yet to be turned in Parking site plan that must be approved. Hopefully its just rumor and will be worked out.
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dedi684 4/22/2010 9:54am
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Speaking of John Coen, I'm not sure who knows but he has already built a new "Diamondback Motocross" about 2 hours north of the old location which is Ak farms/Ace. The track was built about a year ago, town businesses loved the idea of more business and the property actually has an 80 unit hotel on premises located in East Durham, NY. Well, what do you know, a few weeks before they were to open a couple of neighbors took the owner to supreme court and wham, no motocross going on there. That's really sad especially since it was 10 minutes from my house. I cant believe that the town could OK something like this, someone could invest all of the time and money into making the track and a couple idiots get it shut down.
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The Rock 4/22/2010 10:07am
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I think it is safe to say that the noise is a primary catalyst, and most certainly was the primary issue when this whole thing started...
I think it is safe to say that the noise is a primary catalyst, and most certainly was the primary issue when this whole thing started 5-6 years back, or longer.

Slater, you mentioned that the "town hates the tracks", and while i certainly dont dispute this, the burden is on the tracks to be the good guys and prove to the town that they are a respected member of the community. Do the tracks dontate any money to the towns, or the town volunteer programs? I dont know the answers, as i have not been involved in a long time.

It is worth noting that it also includes calling the judge, town and anyone else involved "f-ing" idiots...as participants in the sport, we control our own image, and how we are perceived as a group. I think it is too easy for us as a group to come cross as bumbling swearing idiots who are anti establishment...

Where are the people who tell us noise isn't a problem? These guys are nowhere to be found in threads like these but pop up elsewhere to tell the rest of us that noise isn't a problem or say if it isn't noise they'll find something else to gripe about as if to say we shouldn't do anything about noise.

Invite you guys to join the forum at Sound Off MC www.soundoffmc.com and express your views pro or con.

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Tiki 4/22/2010 10:34am
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Where are the people who tell us noise isn't a problem? These guys are nowhere to be found in threads like these but pop up elsewhere...
Where are the people who tell us noise isn't a problem? These guys are nowhere to be found in threads like these but pop up elsewhere to tell the rest of us that noise isn't a problem or say if it isn't noise they'll find something else to gripe about as if to say we shouldn't do anything about noise.

Invite you guys to join the forum at Sound Off MC www.soundoffmc.com and express your views pro or con.

Thanks.
We have been over this issue, and while most times its civil many times its just opinions. Locally there have been desires to close two tracks, both noise was not the issue. Two proposals for new tracks. In the closure cases erosion, and safety was the primary issue. Dust was the second. Additionally the group I ride with has been helping in the support of the land with organizations such as AAPL and CORVA. Together we have written responses, taken trail inventory and use the land so it is not closed. Again noise has not been the issue but the spiderweb of trails. So if I use experience as a base I can say without a doubt that noise plays a part but is not primary nor even secondary. There are a lot of what-ifs being posted. I can express what-is. The original post mentioned it was noise and dust. No one is discounting the noise issue, but as I have said before, they can never be quiet enough.

For those of us that have been around the block on this - going back to the 70's and 80's, noise was still brought up but the primary concerns have been safety, track insurance, dust and erosion. The who's land argument is moot in my opinion. What should be noticed is, if erosion is brought up, many times the court will want the land returned to its previous state before the track. I am sure you can imagine the project that must be. This only helps developers increase the value of the real estate. Pretty lame if you ask me. Worst case scenario. Someone tries to hang a hazardous waste sign on the land to get a responsible party to pick up the remediation costs. No one wins in these battles. Its a battle of money and urban sprawl. Real Estate developer or naturalist want the land, you have to fight them on their own territory and prove to them that displacement of the bikes will only cause problems else where, where they might like it less.

Find the groups that have saved tracks before and look for comparisons. Call the BRC/CORVA/AAPL/AMA etc. get support from them and what has worked. They may not be covering your area, but they have been down this road before and can point you in the right direction. Good luck on your quest.

http://www.access-advocates.org/
http://www.corva.org/
http://www.sharetrails.org/
http://www.orba.biz/
http://www.ama-cycle.org/
miedosoracing1 4/22/2010 10:42am
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Tiki wrote:
We have been over this issue, and while most times its civil many times its just opinions. Locally there have been desires to close two tracks...
We have been over this issue, and while most times its civil many times its just opinions. Locally there have been desires to close two tracks, both noise was not the issue. Two proposals for new tracks. In the closure cases erosion, and safety was the primary issue. Dust was the second. Additionally the group I ride with has been helping in the support of the land with organizations such as AAPL and CORVA. Together we have written responses, taken trail inventory and use the land so it is not closed. Again noise has not been the issue but the spiderweb of trails. So if I use experience as a base I can say without a doubt that noise plays a part but is not primary nor even secondary. There are a lot of what-ifs being posted. I can express what-is. The original post mentioned it was noise and dust. No one is discounting the noise issue, but as I have said before, they can never be quiet enough.

For those of us that have been around the block on this - going back to the 70's and 80's, noise was still brought up but the primary concerns have been safety, track insurance, dust and erosion. The who's land argument is moot in my opinion. What should be noticed is, if erosion is brought up, many times the court will want the land returned to its previous state before the track. I am sure you can imagine the project that must be. This only helps developers increase the value of the real estate. Pretty lame if you ask me. Worst case scenario. Someone tries to hang a hazardous waste sign on the land to get a responsible party to pick up the remediation costs. No one wins in these battles. Its a battle of money and urban sprawl. Real Estate developer or naturalist want the land, you have to fight them on their own territory and prove to them that displacement of the bikes will only cause problems else where, where they might like it less.

Find the groups that have saved tracks before and look for comparisons. Call the BRC/CORVA/AAPL/AMA etc. get support from them and what has worked. They may not be covering your area, but they have been down this road before and can point you in the right direction. Good luck on your quest.

http://www.access-advocates.org/
http://www.corva.org/
http://www.sharetrails.org/
http://www.orba.biz/
http://www.ama-cycle.org/
And Tiki, this is private land. Plus again, you bring up noise has been an issue going back to the 70-80's. Tells me exactly the same thing I've been saying. Our sport is too stupid to get out of it's own way. If 40 years ago sound was a problem and our bikes are still loud, doesn't that tell you something. Head banging on wall again.
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suzrider982 4/22/2010 11:37am
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how would you like us to have races with 600 riders and make them run different silencers. its not going to happen
miedosoracing1 4/22/2010 11:57am
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how would you like us to have races with 600 riders and make them run different silencers. its not going to happen
I don't understand what you are asking? Is that a joke? (Being sarcastic) So rather than having your track closed down completely. You wouldn't rather go to the riders or maybe even all the local tracks and work together, over the years because this is obviously not a new problem, and say, hey, we need to tone down the noise to keep the track open. We have 2 years to get to "" db rating. Really? So getting your track closed was the best option? Ok. -600 Riders anyways. I'm done then.


By the way, here's a good example of how to go about doing things.


"Motokazie and Sound Testing

With the support of the AMA and District 23, Motokazie will be encouraging riders to keep their exhausts at 99dba or below. We will do random testing of 10 bikes, selected during the pre-race practice of each MX race. If a bike that is tested is over 99dba, they will be required to repack or change their exhaust; and be retested, before they will be allowed to race. If a rider refuses to lower their dba, they will not be allowed to race. Motokazie takes the sound issue very seriously. We believe it is our responsibility to keep this sport alive in the state of Minnesota for our generation and generations to come.

Due to the increased pressures by the government, both national and local, Motokazie is creating an opportunity to educate riders in hopes of conserving your personal riding areas as well as the local motorsports industry. Please see the link at the end of this page for several articles about the land closures and government actions to limit your rights to ride. It is Motokazie’s goal to educate and assist riders to meet current sound rules. We will have available at our events: exhaust packing, insert tips, instructions, test procedure info, and trained staff. We will also provide sound data on Motokazie.com.

99 dBa is the sound limit in 2010 (94 dBa in 2011)
Motokazie will be enforcing 99 dBa at practices as well as Supercross and Motocross races.

The 2010 American Motorcyclist Association sound rule, enforced by District 23 and Motokazie, is 99 decibels. Each machine is tested at a set RPM based on information from the manufacturer and the Motorcycle Industry Council. The test is taken 20 inches from the exhaust tip at a 45 degree angle. This test is called the SAE J1287. (SAE J1287 procedure guidelines)

In 2011 the AMA has decided to match up with the FIM and make 94 dBa, the maximum decibels for 4-stroke machines. On top of that, the AMA will be going to a standard RPM for the different size machines. Please note that this RPM is for quads and bikes. (2011 AMA rule)

Motokazie SX testing rules.

2010 MK Supercross Series random sound testing rules. MK will use the standards put forth by the AMA (99dB/A) and will be enforced as follows:

Rule 2.1,
1st offense, 99.1-104dB/A rider is given the option to find an insert or different exhaust for that event. Rider is warned that 99db is the sound limit and given a handout with links for inserts, repacking or exhaust companies. Rider must make significant attempts to quiet their pipe by the end of the event to receive to receive points/awards. If no attempts are made to lower exhaust dB/A the rider will receive zero points and no awards for that event.

Rule 2.2,
2nd offense, 99.1-104dB/A rider is given the option to find an insert or different exhaust for that event. Rider is warned that 99db is the sound limit and given a handout with links for inserts, repacking or exhaust companies. Rider is given the opportunity to get below 99dB/A by the end of the event in order to get points. If by the end of the event the rider is over 99 dB/A, the rider will not receive points for that event. Rider is told they have 5 days to become compliant for future events (5 day grace period is to allow adequate time to order, have shipped, and installed). During the 5 day grace period, rider is allowed to ride but gets zero points/awards. After the 5th day, rider is no longer allowed to ride until they meet 99dB/A
Rule 2.3,
If 1st offense is 104dB/A or more, rider is given the option to find an insert or different exhaust for that event. If rider can not get below 104 dB/A before the races starts, they will not be allowed to ride. If rider can get in the 99.1 to 103.9 range they should refer to rule 2.1. Rider that tests over 104dB/A will not be allowed to ride any additional events until they meet the 99 dB/A rule.

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The Rock 4/22/2010 12:20pm
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how would you like us to have races with 600 riders and make them run different silencers. its not going to happen
It's 2010 and that excuse just doesn't fly RE: make them run different silencers.

Most if not all exhaust manufacturers have 94 db inserts for their mufflers plus it has gotten easier and easier to repack mufflers.

Practically every dealer has material or you can order online http://www.bristolcore.com/ plus MXA and Transworld both have had articles on the performance gains to be had from a fresh repack.

Lastly most pipe manufacturers have videos on their sites showing how easy it is to repack.

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The Rock 4/22/2010 12:23pm
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The Rock wrote:
Where are the people who tell us noise isn't a problem? These guys are nowhere to be found in threads like these but pop up elsewhere...
Where are the people who tell us noise isn't a problem? These guys are nowhere to be found in threads like these but pop up elsewhere to tell the rest of us that noise isn't a problem or say if it isn't noise they'll find something else to gripe about as if to say we shouldn't do anything about noise.

Invite you guys to join the forum at Sound Off MC www.soundoffmc.com and express your views pro or con.

Thanks.
Tiki wrote:
We have been over this issue, and while most times its civil many times its just opinions. Locally there have been desires to close two tracks...
We have been over this issue, and while most times its civil many times its just opinions. Locally there have been desires to close two tracks, both noise was not the issue. Two proposals for new tracks. In the closure cases erosion, and safety was the primary issue. Dust was the second. Additionally the group I ride with has been helping in the support of the land with organizations such as AAPL and CORVA. Together we have written responses, taken trail inventory and use the land so it is not closed. Again noise has not been the issue but the spiderweb of trails. So if I use experience as a base I can say without a doubt that noise plays a part but is not primary nor even secondary. There are a lot of what-ifs being posted. I can express what-is. The original post mentioned it was noise and dust. No one is discounting the noise issue, but as I have said before, they can never be quiet enough.

For those of us that have been around the block on this - going back to the 70's and 80's, noise was still brought up but the primary concerns have been safety, track insurance, dust and erosion. The who's land argument is moot in my opinion. What should be noticed is, if erosion is brought up, many times the court will want the land returned to its previous state before the track. I am sure you can imagine the project that must be. This only helps developers increase the value of the real estate. Pretty lame if you ask me. Worst case scenario. Someone tries to hang a hazardous waste sign on the land to get a responsible party to pick up the remediation costs. No one wins in these battles. Its a battle of money and urban sprawl. Real Estate developer or naturalist want the land, you have to fight them on their own territory and prove to them that displacement of the bikes will only cause problems else where, where they might like it less.

Find the groups that have saved tracks before and look for comparisons. Call the BRC/CORVA/AAPL/AMA etc. get support from them and what has worked. They may not be covering your area, but they have been down this road before and can point you in the right direction. Good luck on your quest.

http://www.access-advocates.org/
http://www.corva.org/
http://www.sharetrails.org/
http://www.orba.biz/
http://www.ama-cycle.org/
What was the primary issue Honey Lake was facing....erosion, safety issues, or noise?


I don't discount there are other obstacles but there is too much anecdotal evidence that points to sound remains our biggest but definitely not only obstacle in keeping tracks not trails open.


That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-) BTW, my background and focus is more track related so this is why I my mantra remains sound related. Knowing where you live and the type of riding you do I can appreciate in your area erosion and safety issues top the list more so than noise.
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suzrider982 4/22/2010 1:03pm
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No body is going to go buy a 300 dollar pipe to run a track 3 to 5 times a year. I dont see that happening around that area. Even for Ace and Ak i dont see that flying. But i will bring it up to the members in the club.
miedosoracing1 4/22/2010 1:10pm
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No body is going to go buy a 300 dollar pipe to run a track 3 to 5 times a year. I dont see that happening...
No body is going to go buy a 300 dollar pipe to run a track 3 to 5 times a year. I dont see that happening around that area. Even for Ace and Ak i dont see that flying. But i will bring it up to the members in the club.
$41.95 Tell them it's not a choice of wanting. It's a choice of having a track or not. Also, it's not just races, it should be talked with all local tracks to come to an agreement and be during practice or races. If all tracks work together and have it, no one is gonna have reason to complain or go elsewhere. Of course, this should have been an AMA rule like 10 years ago, but AMA is "on it."

By the way, they did buy the $300 pipes, exactly why the problem. It ain't stock pipes for the most part... Tell them to put on the stock silencers.


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Tiki 4/22/2010 1:52pm
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What was the primary issue Honey Lake was facing....erosion, safety issues, or noise? I don't discount there are other obstacles but there is too much anecdotal...
What was the primary issue Honey Lake was facing....erosion, safety issues, or noise?


I don't discount there are other obstacles but there is too much anecdotal evidence that points to sound remains our biggest but definitely not only obstacle in keeping tracks not trails open.


That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-) BTW, my background and focus is more track related so this is why I my mantra remains sound related. Knowing where you live and the type of riding you do I can appreciate in your area erosion and safety issues top the list more so than noise.
Ah yes, but a reminder, one of those was Mammoth MX. The trails were also erosion and wear. Many of the LA area tracks were closed for Insurance reasons.

We still have our tracks and our trails because we fought it and will continue to fight, much of that fighting includes sound management, spark arrestors and responsible riding. The community got together and fought it. Fighting wins. Rock, I support you on your idea, you have me running quiet on my own bike. Bikes make noise. Do your best to quiet them. Beyond that the complaints will still come in. I am just sharing how we won. To be honest with you. Much of it wasn't sound, erosion or dust. Its about money. It is disguised by these issues as the reason these closures come up.

Honey Lake is an issue separate all on its own. One house. The owner of that home is complaining. Honey Lake aerial view I post this because many people have never seen it. You can see how far away it is from even the homes and the closest home is the Track owner.
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shit, i took off my shorty and put my stock silencer on to help the problems with my neighbors. guess they cant tell the difference cause they still call the cops.
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mxnick wrote:
I think it is safe to say that the noise is a primary catalyst, and most certainly was the primary issue when this whole thing started...
I think it is safe to say that the noise is a primary catalyst, and most certainly was the primary issue when this whole thing started 5-6 years back, or longer.

Slater, you mentioned that the "town hates the tracks", and while i certainly dont dispute this, the burden is on the tracks to be the good guys and prove to the town that they are a respected member of the community. Do the tracks dontate any money to the towns, or the town volunteer programs? I dont know the answers, as i have not been involved in a long time.

It is worth noting that it also includes calling the judge, town and anyone else involved "f-ing" idiots...as participants in the sport, we control our own image, and how we are perceived as a group. I think it is too easy for us as a group to come cross as bumbling swearing idiots who are anti establishment...

I understand I may have been a little blunt but I stand by what I said
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This is a serious question, why doesnt CA seem to have an issue with noise on public tracks and a lot of other states do? I honestly always wondered that. Usually its the other way around and CA passes some stupid law to please the majority of people, but we've been pretty lucky here with the way tracks are allowed to run almost everyday up until 9-10:00PM at most places. I would think that in states that have more open land and room it would be less of an issue.
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This is a serious question, why doesnt CA seem to have an issue with noise on public tracks and a lot of other states do? I...
This is a serious question, why doesnt CA seem to have an issue with noise on public tracks and a lot of other states do? I honestly always wondered that. Usually its the other way around and CA passes some stupid law to please the majority of people, but we've been pretty lucky here with the way tracks are allowed to run almost everyday up until 9-10:00PM at most places. I would think that in states that have more open land and room it would be less of an issue.
Good point.
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There is a lot more to the ACE issue than noise.

I was just over there a few weeks ago and spoke with Anthony K. He owns the place and he is a nice guy, but I don't think he had any clue as to handle Plattekill on the issues they wanted addressed.

He should have retained a lawyer, I don't think he believed they would actually shut him down, but they did. Maybe he had a lawyer I don't know about but if he did, the lawyer did a cr@p job.

Now, look at Walden. Same area, people, riders, etc. They played nice and kept it to themselves and didn't blow off the board when they wanted them to cooperate. Sometimes you have to suck it up and play the game, it's 2010 now.

You gotta fight fire with fire and retaining legal representation would have been the key to staying open.

Just my 2 cents.

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Rock I agree with you 100%, sound is an issue (along with dust and other problems associated with the racing of motocross machines)


What I have a hard time understanding are the people in our sport that think they have a "right" to be as loud as they possible can. This is not new and has been around for the past 30 + years I've been involved in the sport.


I've raced at Ace in the 1970's, 1980's and the 1990's... sound has been an issue, but in my opinion the dust contributes or exacerbates the noise.


Not to turn this into a 2-stroke vs. 4-stroke debate, but the 4-stroke sound carries much, much further than the note of a two-stroke. About 10years ago the problems with the town began in earnest. Hmmm... I wonder what changed approximately 10 years ago?


If racers don't start policing themselves they will be left with very expensive machines that they can polish in the garage, but have no where to ride or race. But hey at least you didn't let the "man" get the best of you.


Stock exhaust systems are usually quieter than any of the race pipes, most of the machines that raced at AK Farms two weeks ago had the expensive noisy pipes. So using the excuse no one want to pay to have their bike quiet has no validity.


For the reasons stated by mxnick and others the problem is exaggerated by the proximity to NYC and the fact that people are moving out into the suburbs.


The way I see it we have two choices, quiet our sport down or have it shut down. In the case of these tracks in this town, thinking that noise has nothing to do with the current circumstances is to have your head buried in the sand.

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SRP33 4/23/2010 6:05pm
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noise is an issue thats not even a question its a no brainer but that is not the issue here one of them but not the core. The writing was on the wall when john coen had to jump through hoops to keep diamonback open he spent money with lawerys and so on and he never owned the property anthony kolmoski owns it which was passed down to him by his mom they own the whole thing ACE and Dianomd Back and both are on the same piece of property very big peice of land. Ace was getting letters saying they needed to do a few things one was getting a permit for campers the night before a race now mind you that track has been there since the 50's never needed a permit for camping now they need one why because the changed zonning over the years, another was one weekend they had close to 1200 people with only 2 shit houses state law says you need more but who knew they would end up with so many people one weekend I think because walden had to cancel their race because of the town so everyone went to ace well to many people cant do that couple other stupid shit traffic laws because of all that now the town said they didn't want to do it but they did it any way. Now I am not sure how many of you on this board have ever been to those tracks but I can tell you have been going there for the better part of 40 years and it has been in decline within the last 10 years it is run down house forclosed empty businesses on the main roads now I know everytime we go its a min of 50 to 100 dollars that we spend for gas and food I get gas there its cheaper than ct so we are not the only truck that does it now calculate that over 50 years of people coming and going to those 3 tracks we have spent millions of dollars for that community that is very importnat to local community that has nothing. There is no work there nothing its run down they need all the help they can get. This will make a huge dent for those local business its a shame that neglect on ACE Club Anthony the onwer and the people who run MSC because they knew what was going on and now there will only be 2 tracks Southwoods and Claverack which has not changed in 50 years that track need a major overall but thats not happening anytime soon. And the town is not thinking clearly and they are doing a power control why in the world would a Business that has been a fixture in your community for close to 60 years which helped bring in millions of dollars over the years be treated like this. I have had some of my best and worst races at ACE great for open practices I love going the wed before the race so thats close to 200 dollars we would spend. It just sucks
joseph anthony puccio 4/23/2010 6:19pm
4/23/2010 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:21pm
HOWIITZER...A.K.A..........ANTHONY KALAMUKI............................................................, YOU ROUND EYED" BASTARD," THINKING YOUR FAT AND HAPPY (AS USUAL I HOPE ) . SPECIAL WON-TON FOR YOU!!!! STAY IN TOUCH YOU FIILTHY ANIMAL, CALL ME IF I CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP OUT WITH THE TRACK HEADACHE YOUR HAVING. WHAT HAPPENED TO GEN-X. ? THAT WAS A CLASSY NAME, THE TOWN IS BONEING YOU HARD, SHIT WHATS A FEW FORMS?, TELL THEM NEXT TIME THEY ARE THE ONES BENDING OVER AND TAKING IT, AND YOU'R BUYING THE VASALINE,,,. IF YOUR THINKING YOU NEED HELP SOLVING THIS (PROBLEM) PERHAPS YOU'LL DROP A DIME, ITS BEEN THREE YEARS. YOU SMELLY RACE TRACK OWNING STINKY ASSED FAT FUCK. ...THINGS WILL RESOLVE, HAVE A COLD ONE


J.P.

P.S.- give jean and your daughter my best (not meathead) ha, ha, and smack your son in-law in the head for me (hard) no reason, he deserves it ..,......that blacktopping basterd


great times, many,many, many, cold beers...........JOE
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Huckster 4/23/2010 6:29pm
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MXEditor wrote:
There is a lot more to the ACE issue than noise. I was just over there a few weeks ago and spoke with Anthony K. He...
There is a lot more to the ACE issue than noise.

I was just over there a few weeks ago and spoke with Anthony K. He owns the place and he is a nice guy, but I don't think he had any clue as to handle Plattekill on the issues they wanted addressed.

He should have retained a lawyer, I don't think he believed they would actually shut him down, but they did. Maybe he had a lawyer I don't know about but if he did, the lawyer did a cr@p job.

Now, look at Walden. Same area, people, riders, etc. They played nice and kept it to themselves and didn't blow off the board when they wanted them to cooperate. Sometimes you have to suck it up and play the game, it's 2010 now.

You gotta fight fire with fire and retaining legal representation would have been the key to staying open.

Just my 2 cents.
As i stated in my earlier post. Ace thought they were grandfathered in because of the court ruling in the 80's and felt they didnt need to "play ball" with the town due to this. It backfired and now they are scrambling.

Walden isn't out of the dark yet either. Sure they cooperated with the town but they are late on some plans that needed to be submitted a while back. Town boards can change quickly so you never know.
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Cygnus 4/23/2010 6:35pm
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Probably because of this!




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MXEditor 4/23/2010 6:52pm
4/23/2010 6:52pm
I loved the place and maybe could have tried to help had I even been in the country!

It was a cool track and I had a lot of good times there, I'll miss it if it doesn't come back.

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