RV 2'S take-out on RD 5

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:19am
So by now the takeout that RV did to RD at st.louis is bascially infamous.

All ive been hearing since sunday morning is that the take-out was to "dirty" er that it was a cheapshot.

Yeah that move may have been a tad on the dirty side but, come on guys, that was for the f'ing championship! Had RV taken out RD without taking himself out, and not endoed over the triple, that point spread after that race could have been huge.

Had it gone down that way, which im sure thats what RV had in mind while doing it, it would have been a million dollar take-out...literally! (im just guessing thats the bonus for him to win a championship through all of his sponserships)

So yeah it may have been alittle dirty...... But its hard to say that anything, short of brake-checking someone off a triple, is to dirty when the championship is on the line.

Just curious if anyone agrees er if im on my own on this one

thanks for reading,
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BobbyM 4/20/2010 7:21pm
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what take out?
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Mx4life320 4/20/2010 7:25pm
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Yea, i def agree, i mean rubbing is racing guys... we all have been passed like that, or pull a pass like that... Its a championship, and if ur not going to race hard for the championship when will u race hard?
I def agree...
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moscrop940 4/20/2010 7:53pm
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BobbyM wrote:
what take out?
the one that took out the top 2 guys in supercross, you know the one thay replayed 100 times on cbs.....that one ha

ha ok that kinda sounded like a dick, but thats pretty big news to miss
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Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only seven points down in the first of four remaining races, when you have momentum and speed to challenge cleanly and potentially win out, it's an unnecessary risk at that point of damaging yourself and your bike. Example was the result to Reed when he and Stewart collided. The clash last Saturday was harder than that one.

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lumpy790 4/20/2010 7:57pm
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RV showed everyone what a good old fashion take out move looks like.
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dirty period Karma Baby!
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86honda wrote:
dirty period Karma Baby!
so ur saying taking someones wheel out in a corner justifies that person breaking their tib/fib????

the punishment dont fit the crime on that one bud
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lumpy790 wrote:
RV showed everyone what a good old fashion take out move looks like.
Actually, what it looks like is the other guy goes down and you don't. The kind RC laid on people, or Windham did on DV, or Stanton did to that guy in the MXdN (91?).

RV's was more like the one Alessi put on Tedesco at Glen Helen (sans the kill switch nonsense) in the last moto of the last race in 05.
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Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only...
Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only seven points down in the first of four remaining races, when you have momentum and speed to challenge cleanly and potentially win out, it's an unnecessary risk at that point of damaging yourself and your bike. Example was the result to Reed when he and Stewart collided. The clash last Saturday was harder than that one.
potentially being the key work in that dude, why leave something to chance when you may have a clean shot to take control of the points lead?
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Or break your bike or yourself. Last race, maybe. Down 25, maybe.
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Igy 4/20/2010 8:11pm
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BobbyM wrote:
what take out?
BobbyM,

So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK for the track to be unsafe and put a guy on the ground.

RV had one purpose in mind with that move. And, it had about as much of a place in the race as the wall that put him on the cart. Karma?

Get rid of the unsafe sections on the tracks, and penalize RV. Then we get RACING!

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It was a dirty if you were an RD fan. But if the shoe were on the other foot and it was RV that left the door wide open and RD made the same move, it would be racing.

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I thought it was some of the best racing of the season.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Or break your bike or yourself. Last race, maybe. Down 25, maybe.
gotta call b.s. on you dude.

first off if he was 25 points down er it was the last round, their would have been no turn attempted by RV...it woulda been a straight t-bone (which is what happened in the alessi G.H. take-out you referd to)

and two when did this sport become so friggin political. It was a take-out, plain and simple. when did everyone start shit'n their pants over take-outs anyway? that use to be part of racing.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only...
Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only seven points down in the first of four remaining races, when you have momentum and speed to challenge cleanly and potentially win out, it's an unnecessary risk at that point of damaging yourself and your bike. Example was the result to Reed when he and Stewart collided. The clash last Saturday was harder than that one.
I understand what your saying but I think if you're going to try to do it"take someone out" now would be the time to do it. When you're talking about doing it it will be allot harder to get done. Just like Dungey vs Pourcel at steel city. Dungey wouldn't pass pourcel in the 1st moto because he didn't want to give him a chance to take him out. In my eyes any spot you find to get a wheel in on RD is a good time in the last 3-4 races because RD's smart and he's not going to leave the door open often. Hat's off to RD for taking it, getting up and going back after RV.


RD lived and learned on that one and still got the title. Not a bad deal.
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moscrop940 4/20/2010 8:18pm
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BobbyM wrote:
what take out?
Igy wrote:
BobbyM, So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK...
BobbyM,

So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK for the track to be unsafe and put a guy on the ground.

RV had one purpose in mind with that move. And, it had about as much of a place in the race as the wall that put him on the cart. Karma?

Get rid of the unsafe sections on the tracks, and penalize RV. Then we get RACING!

What in theeeeee heeeellllllll have you been smoking igy, because i want some of it.....

penalize RV over a f'ing take-out? Have you lost your mind dude, that move wasnt anything close to deserving of a fine.

****side note.***** ( I got 5 bucks says the ol igy voted for obama, just sayin)
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lumpy790 wrote:
RV showed everyone what a good old fashion take out move looks like.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Actually, what it looks like is the other guy goes down and you don't. The kind RC laid on people, or Windham did on DV, or...
Actually, what it looks like is the other guy goes down and you don't. The kind RC laid on people, or Windham did on DV, or Stanton did to that guy in the MXdN (91?).

RV's was more like the one Alessi put on Tedesco at Glen Helen (sans the kill switch nonsense) in the last moto of the last race in 05.
Major exaggeration dude. Not even close to the incident in '05. Good observation though. He did learn that move from Alessi in the amateur ranks...
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FreshTopEnd 4/20/2010 8:22pm
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Nope, not BS. As to the "politics," nothing in my post said a thing about whether it was dirty or not. People are going to disagree on that and the only ones who matter are the officials who get to make the call on whether to penalize someone or not.

People can also disagree about whether that was the time or place. Your disagreement doesn't make my point bullshit. Reed walked away from a similar incident with a broken hand that ended his championship run. Easily could have happened to RV, and IMO at that point it wasn't smart.

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WTF is all this dude crap? Tongue
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Blame it on the bowl berm!!!
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That move 25 points down would've been a desperation move, that was I'm winning the championship move.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Nope, not BS. As to the "politics," nothing in my post said a thing about whether it was dirty or not. People are going to disagree...
Nope, not BS. As to the "politics," nothing in my post said a thing about whether it was dirty or not. People are going to disagree on that and the only ones who matter are the officials who get to make the call on whether to penalize someone or not.

People can also disagree about whether that was the time or place. Your disagreement doesn't make my point bullshit. Reed walked away from a similar incident with a broken hand that ended his championship run. Easily could have happened to RV, and IMO at that point it wasn't smart.

tell you what, i think we see this incident from 2 different sides of the spectrum and probably wont see eye to eye on this ever

agree to disagree?
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FreshTopEnd 4/20/2010 8:26pm
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Well, people's mind are set and history ain't going to change, so submitted.
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moscrop940 4/20/2010 8:27pm
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Well, people's mind are set and history ain't going to change, so submitted.
i dont know what your meaning is by that.

im just trying to end the discrepency between you and i in a gentlemen like manner ha
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Agreeing to disagree is very cool. It should happen here a lot more often.
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Igy 4/20/2010 8:35pm
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BobbyM wrote:
what take out?
Igy wrote:
BobbyM, So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK...
BobbyM,

So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK for the track to be unsafe and put a guy on the ground.

RV had one purpose in mind with that move. And, it had about as much of a place in the race as the wall that put him on the cart. Karma?

Get rid of the unsafe sections on the tracks, and penalize RV. Then we get RACING!

moscrop940 wrote:
What in theeeeee heeeellllllll have you been smoking igy, because i want some of it..... penalize RV over a f'ing take-out? Have you lost your mind...
What in theeeeee heeeellllllll have you been smoking igy, because i want some of it.....

penalize RV over a f'ing take-out? Have you lost your mind dude, that move wasnt anything close to deserving of a fine.

****side note.***** ( I got 5 bucks says the ol igy voted for obama, just sayin)

Show me the AMA rule that says, "It is acceptable to launch you bike at another rider with the intent to put him on the ground as long as everyone gets up without season ending injury."

But, what do I know, I only ever GNCC'd.


"Yes we can!" LOL!
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moscrop940 4/20/2010 8:56pm
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Igy wrote:
BobbyM, So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK...
BobbyM,

So... It is OK for a rider to be unsafe and intentionally try to put a guy on the ground, But it is not OK for the track to be unsafe and put a guy on the ground.

RV had one purpose in mind with that move. And, it had about as much of a place in the race as the wall that put him on the cart. Karma?

Get rid of the unsafe sections on the tracks, and penalize RV. Then we get RACING!

moscrop940 wrote:
What in theeeeee heeeellllllll have you been smoking igy, because i want some of it..... penalize RV over a f'ing take-out? Have you lost your mind...
What in theeeeee heeeellllllll have you been smoking igy, because i want some of it.....

penalize RV over a f'ing take-out? Have you lost your mind dude, that move wasnt anything close to deserving of a fine.

****side note.***** ( I got 5 bucks says the ol igy voted for obama, just sayin)
Igy wrote:
Show me the AMA rule that says, "It is acceptable to launch you bike at another rider with the intent to put him on the ground...

Show me the AMA rule that says, "It is acceptable to launch you bike at another rider with the intent to put him on the ground as long as everyone gets up without season ending injury."

But, what do I know, I only ever GNCC'd.


"Yes we can!" LOL!
show me the rule that says you cant take someone out in a corner.....
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It was a dirty move.
Want proof.
They were both on the ground.

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moscrop940 wrote:
the one that took out the top 2 guys in supercross, you know the one thay replayed 100 times on cbs.....that one ha ha ok that...
the one that took out the top 2 guys in supercross, you know the one thay replayed 100 times on cbs.....that one ha

ha ok that kinda sounded like a dick, but thats pretty big news to miss
oh the take out of RV...by RV, got it.
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BobbyM 4/20/2010 10:33pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only...
Dirty or not, it wasn't for the championship at that point and therefore was, IMO, not wise. Last round, more than three points down, maybe. Only seven points down in the first of four remaining races, when you have momentum and speed to challenge cleanly and potentially win out, it's an unnecessary risk at that point of damaging yourself and your bike. Example was the result to Reed when he and Stewart collided. The clash last Saturday was harder than that one.
you sound so...stupid saying that, that move was awesome and imho was actually kinda late to the party and was really needed at A1...you know, just to get the title sewed up early, show that dungey kid what is uupppp!

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