#4: MXGP of Trentino - April 13-14

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4/13/2024 8:31am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2024 8:32am

Prado might not get any points in the quali this week, some sort of problem lap 1. Almost last right now.

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4/13/2024 8:32am

WTF? A bit of duct tape will do ya.

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4/13/2024 8:32am
KlockreN wrote:

Prado might not get any points in the quali this week, some sort of problem lap 1. Almost last right now.

Lost his seat. I don't think he'll get to 10th but will be interesting tomorrow what he can do with a 15-20 gate start 

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Imagine  if you are his mechanic and forgot to put the Seat bolt...

Go race by Febvre and steady Gajser... We Will se tomorrow if Prado can join with that poor start gate.

Herlings looks worst than last races, Hope he is ok 

 

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van de Moosdijk dropped from around 7th early on to 28th at the finish there on the factory Honda

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cesar_rc4 wrote:
Imagine  if you are his mechanic and forgot to put the Seat bolt... Go race by Febvre and steady Gajser... We Will se tomorrow if Prado...

Imagine  if you are his mechanic and forgot to put the Seat bolt...

Go race by Febvre and steady Gajser... We Will se tomorrow if Prado can join with that poor start gate.

Herlings looks worst than last races, Hope he is ok 

 

...and you can't even find them when you need them for the spare seat.

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4/13/2024 9:04am

Gajser needs start, he got a gift today with the seat falling off. If he holeshots like Prado he would be a in a better position than Prado at this point IMO. But his starts for the most part have not been there. 

4/13/2024 9:37am
cesar_rc4 wrote:
Imagine  if you are his mechanic and forgot to put the Seat bolt... Go race by Febvre and steady Gajser... We Will se tomorrow if Prado...

Imagine  if you are his mechanic and forgot to put the Seat bolt...

Go race by Febvre and steady Gajser... We Will se tomorrow if Prado can join with that poor start gate.

Herlings looks worst than last races, Hope he is ok 

 

Will be interesting.
This is probably the worst track to have a bad gatepick and a bad start on. But if anybody can holeshot from gate 17 it's him

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4/13/2024 9:44am

FIM decision: Jorge is to dominant, he will now have to use a trials Gas Gas in qualification.

Spoiler alert: he's not so dominant without a saddle.

 

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Ruuperts20 wrote:

Everts looked good in mx2 quali race. Interesting whats up with L.Coenen. Possible injury during the week…?

Lucas Coenen of Nestaan Husqvarna Factory Racing is not fully fit this weekend at the start of the fourth race of the MX2 world championship in Arco di Trento. Coenen has taken a crash this week during a training session and has hurt his shoulder.

He tried to drive today and eventually gave up after a number of laps in qualifying heat. It is very doubtful whether we will see Coenen at the start tomorrow in the race.

https://www.motocrossplanet.com/2024/04/13/pijnlijke-schouder-voor-lucas-coenen-2/

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Marco15UK wrote:

van de Moosdijk dropped from around 7th early on to 28th at the finish there on the factory Honda

A little bit dissapointed with him but maybe he is showing his lack of training and the reason of getting fired...

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Post race interview Febvre trow a little dart  saying he holeshoted and controled the race like they said because thats Prado tipical wordsLaughing

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I didn’t think that duct tape would hold on that long. Prado was super pissed. Time to rivet or red loctite those bolts in. Have to destroy the seat every time it comes off. but twice in one moto, and a short one at that. WTF. 

4/13/2024 10:31am
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I didn’t think that duct tape would hold on that long. Prado was super pissed. Time to rivet or red loctite those bolts in. Have to...

I didn’t think that duct tape would hold on that long. Prado was super pissed. Time to rivet or red loctite those bolts in. Have to destroy the seat every time it comes off. but twice in one moto, and a short one at that. WTF. 

How the fuck does that even happen?

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Bit of a safety hazard i'd have thought having a rider circulating with a seat only held on by duct tape. Imagine if it would have come off as he was going over the uphill triple, if it hit someone he was passing it could have caused some damage

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Surely he could have kept a decent pace standing up the whole way instead of going in for a new seat and losing time? Everts did it most of his career

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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Surely he could have kept a decent pace standing up the whole way instead of going in for a new seat and losing time? Everts did...

Surely he could have kept a decent pace standing up the whole way instead of going in for a new seat and losing time? Everts did it most of his career

I do think he would have finished top10 without a seat too.

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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Surely he could have kept a decent pace standing up the whole way instead of going in for a new seat and losing time? Everts did...

Surely he could have kept a decent pace standing up the whole way instead of going in for a new seat and losing time? Everts did it most of his career

Not a chance. He was dropping positions like a rock trying to manage the rutted tight turns standing up, but was drifting to the outside. And he is more of a sit down rider anyways.

On a sand track that was rough enough to force you to stand up, maybe. He'd have to be Everts-tough though to do that. 

4/13/2024 10:57pm

Fastest laps of saturday races

 

MXGP qualifying 

 

1.48.839 = Romain Febvre 

1.48.976 = Tim Gajser 

1.49.767 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

1.50.600 = Jeremy Seewer 

1.50.666 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.50.989 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.51.167 = Pauls Jonass 

1.52.380 = Valentin Guillod 

1.52.530 = Cornelius Toendel 

1.52.854 = Ivo Monticelli 

 

MX2 qualifying 

 

1.50.567 = Liam Everts 

1.50.720 = Sacha Coenen 

1.51.007 = Andrea Adamo 

1.51.313 = Rick Elzinga 

1.51.390 = Kay De Wolf 

1.51.403 = Mikkel Haarup

1.51.669 = Camden Mc Lellan 

1.51.753 = Simon Laengenfelder 

1.51.772 = Marc-Antoine Rossi 

1.52.380 = Lucas Coenen 

 

EMX250 race 1

 

1.52.548 = Valerio Lata 

1.52.604 = Cas Valk

1.54.157 = Maxime Grau

1.54.344 = Mathis Valin

1.54.405 = Francisco Garcia 

1.54.471 = Alexis Fueri

1.54.656 = Bence Pergel

1.55.243 = Ivano Van Erp

1.55.650 = Benjamin Garib 

1.55.905 = Karlis Reisulis 

 

EMX125 race 1

 

1.55.454 = Simone Mancini

1.55.543 = Francesco Bellei

1.55.758 = Aron Katona

1.56.116 = Cole McCullough 

1.56.305 = Salvador Perez 

1.56.709 = Gyan Doensen

1.57.174 = Maximilian Ernecker 

1.57.844 = Pelle Gundersen

1.57.874 = Dani Heitink

1.58.115 = Mano Faure

 

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4/14/2024 12:38am

It would be interesting indeed to see if Prado can still go for the win with that gate pick. That's a test on a track were Tim and Romain are gonna do well.

 

250 class might be more open than the 2 husqy boys. Lucas still has up and downs while De Wolf, even though he started on really strong, I'm still not fully confident that he is gonna be consistent the full season. Watch out for Laengenfelder, there is a big challenger for the title there.

 

Lata is suprisingly very fast in EMX250 but the big surprise comes from Valin right now...

 

EMX125 is as opened as ever.

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It would be interesting indeed to see if Prado can still go for the win with that gate pick. That's a test on a track were...

It would be interesting indeed to see if Prado can still go for the win with that gate pick. That's a test on a track were Tim and Romain are gonna do well.

 

250 class might be more open than the 2 husqy boys. Lucas still has up and downs while De Wolf, even though he started on really strong, I'm still not fully confident that he is gonna be consistent the full season. Watch out for Laengenfelder, there is a big challenger for the title there.

 

Lata is suprisingly very fast in EMX250 but the big surprise comes from Valin right now...

 

EMX125 is as opened as ever.

Lata is on a Gas gas Factory Juniors bike, so he has a really good bike like Valk.

Valin did really good last yeat in Emx125 and he was 125 junior world champion so he is a good rider.

Valin impresed me the most because i dont think that bud Racing Kawasaki is anything near the level of Ktm Factory bikes.

 

Other curious thing is that last year almost none of the emx125 Riders were on ktm fuel injetec bikes and this year there are plenty of ktm.

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4/14/2024 1:30am
It would be interesting indeed to see if Prado can still go for the win with that gate pick. That's a test on a track were...

It would be interesting indeed to see if Prado can still go for the win with that gate pick. That's a test on a track were Tim and Romain are gonna do well.

 

250 class might be more open than the 2 husqy boys. Lucas still has up and downs while De Wolf, even though he started on really strong, I'm still not fully confident that he is gonna be consistent the full season. Watch out for Laengenfelder, there is a big challenger for the title there.

 

Lata is suprisingly very fast in EMX250 but the big surprise comes from Valin right now...

 

EMX125 is as opened as ever.

cesar_rc4 wrote:
Lata is on a Gas gas Factory Juniors bike, so he has a really good bike like Valk. Valin did really good last yeat in Emx125...

Lata is on a Gas gas Factory Juniors bike, so he has a really good bike like Valk.

Valin did really good last yeat in Emx125 and he was 125 junior world champion so he is a good rider.

Valin impresed me the most because i dont think that bud Racing Kawasaki is anything near the level of Ktm Factory bikes.

 

Other curious thing is that last year almost none of the emx125 Riders were on ktm fuel injetec bikes and this year there are plenty of ktm.

Valerio was a very fast racer on 85cc and since he moved up he didn't really delivered. He did a couple MX2 races in which he was not having good results. But this year he seems to have found something.

 

Valin was very fast last year, I just did not expected him to be that good right away. He easily passed Janis Reisulis (his rival from last year) in Spain, and seems to be in the title hunt already!

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4/14/2024 3:20am

Well, they're reading the Riot Act to near on the entire EMX250 class at the end of the second moto.

I have to say, I've only seen a very brief clip of what I assume is the reason for the collective bollocking , as I was involved in that most dangerous of Blood Sports: Gardening , and only saw a clip of nearly every rider jumping  (the finish line?) under a waved yellow flag.

So, unsure if there was a waved / stationary yellow before it, but if there wasn't, where the flag was being waved from (well back from the top edge of the jump), it's highly doubtful that riders could have seen it since they were coming from 'below', so to speak.

Valerio Lata, with a 1:1, has an impressive result tally from Trentino - winning the 125s in 21(?). and EMX250 in 23 and now 24. A fast young Italian, with a set of chompers worthy of Antonio Cairoli!

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4/14/2024 3:35am
cesar_rc4 wrote:
Lata is on a Gas gas Factory Juniors bike, so he has a really good bike like Valk. Valin did really good last yeat in Emx125...

Lata is on a Gas gas Factory Juniors bike, so he has a really good bike like Valk.

Valin did really good last yeat in Emx125 and he was 125 junior world champion so he is a good rider.

Valin impresed me the most because i dont think that bud Racing Kawasaki is anything near the level of Ktm Factory bikes.

 

Other curious thing is that last year almost none of the emx125 Riders were on ktm fuel injetec bikes and this year there are plenty of ktm.

Those juniors don’t have factory bikes. They get some support from the KTM group but they are far from factory bikes! 
 

Even at the last VitalMX podcast they talked that not even all the “real” factory riders in MX2 not have the access to “full” Factory engines. 
 

Those Kawasaki of Valin are not that far behind those bikes off Valk en Lata 

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4/14/2024 3:57am

van de Moosdijk did not go out in the warm-up session this morning so we'll see if he starts.

Pietro Trinchieri in MXGP is the only confirmed non-starter after picking up a knee injury yesterday.

4/14/2024 4:24am

Finally seeing what Sacha coenen can do. He'll need some time to stop crashing every single race and keep the pace up for 30min. But starts and speed are there 

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4/14/2024 4:38am

EMX250 overall

 

1/1 = Valerio Lata 

2/2 = Cas Valk 

3/3 = Francisco Garcia 

4/4 = Mathis Valin

7/5 = Saad Soulimani 

6/7 = Bence Pergel

8/8 = Alexis Fueri

14/6 = Nico Greutmann 

11/10 = Ivano Van Erp 

9/14 = Mads Fredsoe 

 

EMX250 Championship 

 

97 = Valerio Lata 

81 = Mathis Valin

64 = Cas Valk

59 = Francisco Garcia 

57 = Ivano Van Erp

49 = Alexis Fueri 

42 = Saad Soulimani 

33 = Janis Reisulis 

33 = Nico Greutmann 

30 = Karlis Reisulis 

 

EMX125 overall 

 

1/3 = Simone Mancini

5/1 = Francisco Bellei

2/6 = Salvador Perez 

3/7 = Aron Katona

6/4 = Maximilian Ernecker 

13/2 = Noel Zanocz

10/5 = Brando Rispoli

7/9 = Gyan Doensen

9/10 = Mano Faure 

8/13 = Pelle Gundersen

 

EMX125 championship 

 

77 = Noel Zanocz 

69 = Gyan Doensen 

65 = Salvador Perez 

58 = Mano Faure 

58 = Aron Katona

56 = Francisco Bellei 

49 = Simone Mancini 

48 = Dani Heitink 

40 = Jarne Bervoets 

36 = Maximilian Ernecker 

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4/14/2024 4:46am

EMX125 stats

 

Overall wins

 

1 = Noel Zanocz 

1 = Simone Mancini 

 

Overall podiums

 

1 = Noel Zanocz 

1 = Gyan Doensen 

1 = Mano Faure 

1 = Simone Mancini 

1 = Francesco Bellei 

1 = Salvador Perez 

 

Race wins

 

1 = Noel Zanocz 

1 = Gyan Doensen 

1 = Simone Mancini

1 = Francesco Bellei 

 

Race top 3

 

3 = Noel Zanocz 

2 = Salvador Perez

2 = Simone Mancini 

1 = Gyan Doensen 

1 = Mano Faure 

1 = Dani Heitink

1 = Aron Katona

1 = Francesco Bellei 

 

Lad led

 

21 = Francesco Bellei 

14 = Noel Zanocz 

10 = Mano Faure 

6 = Simone Mancini 

5 = Gyan Doensen 

 

Fastest lap of the race

 

1 = Gyan Doensen 

1 = Salvador Perez

1 = Simone Mancini 

1 = Francesco Bellei 

 

Fastest in practice 

 

1 = Gyan Doensen 

1 = Tomass Saicans

1 = Simone Mancini 

1 = Aron Katona

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