MX Sports and a game of chicken...

500guy
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I'm not going to a National on the Reservation. I despise the Indian Gambling and will not support it.
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500guy wrote:
I'm not going to a National on the Reservation. I despise the Indian Gambling and will not support it.
I'm not sure they will miss you, they might miss a rider with some indian backing though.. ha
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500guy wrote:
I'm not going to a National on the Reservation. I despise the Indian Gambling and will not support it.
Trip wrote:
I'm not sure they will miss you, they might miss a rider with some indian backing though.. ha
that's fine,

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2010 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship Schedule

May 22 Hangtown Motocross Classic Rancho Cordova, Calif.

May 29 Glen Helen Raceway San Bernardino, Calif.

June 5 Freestone Raceway Wortham, Texas

June 12 High Point Raceway Mt. Morris, Pa.

June 19 Budds Creek Motocross Mechanicsville, Md.

June 26 Thunder Valley Motocross Lakewood, Colo.

July 3 RedBud Buchanan, Mich.

July 17 Spring Creek Motocross Millville, Minn.

July 24 Washougal Motocross Washougal, Wash.

Aug 14 Unadilla Valley Sports Center New Berlin, N.Y.

Aug 28 Moto-X 338 Southwick, Mass.

Sept 4 Steel City Raceway Delmont, Pa.
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english version of word 'bathroom' : "room containing a bath (US: bathtub) or shower, other washing facilities, and usually (but not necessarily) a toilet"

ok.... so i'm gonna stick with my original zero on this one... although i do like the thing they import in the pits at budds creek, the AC'd thing
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That's so beautiful. Although early in the morning when it's freshly ripped is the only time there's any traction there.


The place literally looks like heavens version of a mx track though.


Huffman has fought forever to keep this place open and on the national schedule. Huffman could sell this very very prime property and his family would be set for generations. The property is worth way more sold then it is to keep and have nationals at. Huffman is for sure a a track owner that is not in it for the money.


I also guarantee if DC drops Washougal off the schedule he would be closing Washougal and taking this place away from everyone that loves it. If there's no national there's no Washougal.


DC please think about that before you drop one of the oldest nationals. Please don't!!
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500guy wrote:
I'm not going to a National on the Reservation. I despise the Indian Gambling and will not support it.
you're so anti-American!
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WORCSRacer wrote:
With 50% of dirt bike sales in the US out west (specifically in California), the home to all the major factories (who don't need anymore reasons...
With 50% of dirt bike sales in the US out west (specifically in California), the home to all the major factories (who don't need anymore reasons or excuses to cut back on racing) and home to the bulk of the MX industry, the word on the street is Glen Helen, Hangtown and Washougal are to be dropped from the 2010 AMA Outdoor Schedule in the next two weeks...



Reasons: The cost of the TV package, required "improvements" and the lack of control regarding camera view images and the franchisees refusal to comply with MX Sports demands.



Who's going to blink?



IMO, for the good of the sport Davey don't screw with the core of MX in this country. You'll spend years, with no certainty of ever, recovering if this happens. They maybe wrong and you maybe right but who cares if the whole house collapses.
you don't need Pala as a leverage. You don't even need Pala at all in that kind of scenarios. If it was a leverage that was needed, they are enough tracks across the country and there is still a strong demand for a track out South-East.
The fact is no track is irreplaceable. Replacements are not always better, but they can be and the most important is that they are options.

Saying "Pala would blow whoever they needed to, to get a national is a very simple way of explaining American Capitalism. You want to do business in a certain industry, you get the right tools and financial for such industry. You call it "blowing", I call that "investing" and working to get my investment back. For sure, it would be a logical target, for such a motorsport complex that has already been getting a lot of raving from people who have been or go there, to want to have a National at some point. Like it should be the goal of a lot of track owners in the US. Oak Hill, Branson, Byron, etc, etc.

This is the US of A, the biggest, richest, country of them all, with the biggest MX market of them all, there is definitely plenty of space somewhere to hold a National.

Now, this thread is all speculations and all "I'm a conservative don't change my ol'habits" vs. "time to move forward make some change and make some money for us all" wrestling match of opinions.

Until it is official that GH is out, let's hope for GH it stays there and if it's out of the calendar, congrats to the replacement, the series will move on.
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Not to be a buzz-kill on the Pala National thing...........but wasn't there another bad experience with the MXDN at Saboba indian reservation?

I know Pala already has some tracks, but wouldn't they have to build a national track?
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Redddd Buddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rules.........
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rocrac wrote:
Lots of nut hugging going on in this thread. Seems to be a lot infighting over what else? Money. Everyone wants a piece of the pie...
Lots of nut hugging going on in this thread.

Seems to be a lot infighting over what else? Money. Everyone wants a piece of the pie yet still after the top 10 riders guys are still going into the poor house trying to run this series until that changes I will hold on to my not so important or informed opinion to myself.
If they had a payout that would make it worth putting in the hours it takes to be in the top ten, there would be more kids and better racing. Fast kids do not quit because they are burned out. They quit because they can make more money at McDonalds. What are going to do when you are 18,19,20 years old, keep working your dick in the dirt or change your focus somewhere else. There are alot of fast kids out there. Sometimes they just find out they need to make a living. I know there is no Mcgrath or Dungey out there, but there is top 10 guys.
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Taken from motocrossactionmag.com:



Dear MXA,
I have heard all the rumors and I know that Jody knows the answers to all the question about the Glen Helen National. Will There be a Glen Helen National this year?

We sent your question to Jody. Here is his reply:

“No. Glen Helen will not host a National in 2010. It had nothing to do with the track, facilities or event—it was all about whether or not Glen Helen wanted to do business with MXSports any more. My guess is that they didn't. I am in no way a part of the Glen Helen management, and I had no part in the negotiations, but I do know from my personal experience (building the track for the last 15 years) that fighting with officials who want shorter motos, under two-minute lap times, timed qualifying and graded racetracks does get a little tiring after the first 100 battles. Glen Helen stayed rough, rugged and tough in spite of MXSports...and the interpersonal relationships suffered with every argument."

Jody did include the official statement from Glen Helen Raceway announcing their intentions not to do business with MXSports.

2010 GLEN HELEN NATIONAL: OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Glen Helen Raceway regretfully announces that it will not host Round two of AMA 250/450 Nationals on May 29, 2010.

There has been long negotiations between MX Sports and Glen Helen Raceway in regards to the event. As a previous host of more than 14 AMA Nationals and three GP’s over the last 20 years, Glen Helen has proven to be a world class venue (and so do the fans who have flooded the gates in large numbers over the years).

From the beginning of the most recent contract negotiations, Glen Helen has asked for the same contractual terms as other tracks on the National circuit received in 2010. Due to the lack of equality in the terms, Glen Helen is unable to move forward with a National at this time.

The National Promoter’s Group (NPG) was formed 15 years ago to set the standard for motocross in America. As a charter member, Glen Helen has stood together with the other promoters for the entire 15-year period. We feel that our contributions to the promotion of the sport were integral to the progress that has been made in motocross. When MX Sports took over the organizing role from DMG/AMA Pro Racing last year, they dissolved the NPG (an organization that they were instrumental in starting). As the new sanctioning body, MX Sports no longer wants to abide by the NPG contracts they helped write. Many of the points in the contracts were designed to give the promoters a fair shake from the AMA sanctioning body—thus, Glen Helen attempted to negotiate a fair deal to no avail.

Glen Helen supports all the teams, riders, sponsors and other National promoters 100 percent and we are sorry that the fans who planned to come to Glen Helen to see “Real Motocross” will not get the chance to do it this year.

Glen Helen will still be hosting events every weekend and will give fans, riders and sponsors a venue that they can be proud to be part of. We have a pre-National event on May 16, 2010 with the MTA World MX Championships, which will give fans a first look at the outdoor teams for 2010. A large Pro purse will be included. More details to follow.
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I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can happen.
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wardy wrote:
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can...
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can happen.
Nothing stopping anyone from doing that, other than the pile of money needed for it.
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Lot of unnecessary anger and name-calling, especially without any facts or both sides to the story.

Businesses not coming to agreement is part of doing business.
Businesses parting ways is part of doing business




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wardy wrote:
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can...
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can happen.
One can only hope.
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wardy wrote:
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can...
I smell another series coming along. and you know bring in a few good tracks all around the country, have a big purse........never know what can happen.
Nothing stopping anyone from doing that, other than the pile of money needed for it.
Welcome to CART vs IRL... This is the last thing that needed to happen right now.
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That's honestly ridiculous, WORCSracer. Someone is out there spreading some doom and gloom... The only real issues are over length of contract extension and some general...
That's honestly ridiculous, WORCSracer. Someone is out there spreading some doom and gloom... The only real issues are over length of contract extension and some general improvements with one facility; hopefully it will be resolved soon.

MX Sports is fully committed to motocross on the west coast and specifically in Southern California. See you May 22 at Hangtown.

DC
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Technically Hangtown is not Socal.

Please find a way to keep a National in SoCal, Davey!
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Hope it doesn't go the way of AMA roadracing. They are still reeling from their changes.
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Could you imagine the traffic trying to get into and out of Pala? No thanks.
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John Birch wrote:
Could you imagine the traffic trying to get into and out of Pala? No thanks.
Indeed, you think you had it bad at GH? Wait for Pala. Plus the land there is flat and not really scenic.

An AMA series without a venue in SoCal is not valid in my opinion. SoCal is where the whole MX industry is. Sounds like MX is going backward AGAIN!!
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MX Sports took their ball and went home...........

This makes no logical sense.......but what does with AMA Pro MX nowadays.
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I always get a bunch of friends and family to join in going to GH..Have new co-workers already lined up to go and these aren't real mx folks...

But Pala is more than a 2 hour drive from west LA. So count me out.. and the whole group out, and there is no way it can support a big crowd.. it would be a traffic nightmare.

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