Dean Wilson

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3/20/2010 10:25am
flarider wrote:
That has nothing to do with it and is pure bullshit.

It's an issue of representation and management, whomever that is.
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer...
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer, baseball, or any other mainstream sport?
flarider wrote:
You sir, are clueless
Dean rides for Pro Circuit. He has an agent, he has a team manager, and a team owner. If im sent to another country for work, I would expect my company would have done the paperwork to get me back safely. What am I missing here? How many people are stuck in canada from the olympics? Please Dave give me some clues.
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3/20/2010 10:28am
The real question here is will he be paid for this weekend?

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3/20/2010 10:32am
Cygnus wrote:
The real question here is will he be paid for this weekend?

Sure he will get the money he normally would for not qualifying.

somewhere around zero would be my guess
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3/20/2010 10:34am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2010 10:36am
Motodork wrote:
If this isnt a sign that our sport still hasnt made it to the big time yet then I dont know what is. I feel bad...
If this isnt a sign that our sport still hasnt made it to the big time yet then I dont know what is. I feel bad for dean right now, he has done great this year.
flarider wrote:
That has nothing to do with it and is pure bullshit.

It's an issue of representation and management, whomever that is.
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer...
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer, baseball, or any other mainstream sport?
Wrong. It's solely up to the rider to be able to show up for work.

Does your boss call you, wake you up, make sure you're fed and showered, dress you, and then send a car for you to take you to work? I'd guess no.

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3/20/2010 10:35am
flarider wrote:
That has nothing to do with it and is pure bullshit.

It's an issue of representation and management, whomever that is.
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer...
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer, baseball, or any other mainstream sport?
flarider wrote:
You sir, are clueless
Extremely Clueless....!
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flarider wrote:
That has nothing to do with it and is pure bullshit.

It's an issue of representation and management, whomever that is.
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer...
PC is one of the biggest teams in the sport, and they dropped the ball on this bigtime. Can you see this happening in football, soccer, baseball, or any other mainstream sport?
Spinner wrote:
Wrong. It's solely up to the rider to be able to show up for work. Does your boss call you, wake you up, make sure you're...
Wrong. It's solely up to the rider to be able to show up for work.

Does your boss call you, wake you up, make sure you're fed and showered, dress you, and then send a car for you to take you to work? I'd guess no.
no, but my boss wouldnt send me to another country if I couldnt return
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3/20/2010 10:39am
3 months is last minute?
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3/20/2010 10:40am
Exactly, and what does he have to lose anyhow, he's not in the title race, its his first season, he has a long future racing in the US, might as well do it right, right now.
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Exactly, and what does he have to lose anyhow, he's not in the title race, its his first season, he has a long future racing in...
Exactly, and what does he have to lose anyhow, he's not in the title race, its his first season, he has a long future racing in the US, might as well do it right, right now.
he's third in points with half the season to go. it would be a longshot, but it is possible
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Exactly, and what does he have to lose anyhow, he's not in the title race, its his first season, he has a long future racing in...
Exactly, and what does he have to lose anyhow, he's not in the title race, its his first season, he has a long future racing in the US, might as well do it right, right now.
he's third in points with half the season to go. it would be a longshot, but it is possible
True.
I just think with Pourcells dominance, Stroupe being consistently faster and Barcia's go for broke style the long shot isn't as possible as 3rd in pts appears.
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3/20/2010 10:46am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:31pm
Richardson has always been a shithole...
"Despite the best effort of lawyers, agents, and with letters from the AMA, Feld, CMA, CMRC, Monster, and Kawasaki, time ran out to get Dean Wilson to Dallas for this weekend's Supercross.

Apparently his pro contract didn't get done until very late in December (when he turned 18), which caused delays in his work visa. "
my mistake 2 1/2 months
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3/20/2010 10:55am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:31pm
Dean rides for Pro Circuit. He has an agent, he has a team manager, and a team owner. If im sent to another country for work...
Dean rides for Pro Circuit. He has an agent, he has a team manager, and a team owner. If im sent to another country for work, I would expect my company would have done the paperwork to get me back safely. What am I missing here? How many people are stuck in canada from the olympics? Please Dave give me some clues.
Let's start with the first sentence, PC is his employer. Not manager. Not baby sitter. Employer.


As an employee, it is his job to show up for work.

As for his "being sent to another country," Dean is a Canadian citizen. He went to his home country.

Any required documentation and/or visas should have been completed well in advance of this by his management staff, lawyers and/or family.


As for Olympians, you can rest assured their support staff had it all worked out well in advance.
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I was just giving you shit about richardson, I lived there for a few years myself. And i actually missed that post, I admit defeat Blush
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Dean rides for Pro Circuit. He has an agent, he has a team manager, and a team owner. If im sent to another country for work...
Dean rides for Pro Circuit. He has an agent, he has a team manager, and a team owner. If im sent to another country for work, I would expect my company would have done the paperwork to get me back safely. What am I missing here? How many people are stuck in canada from the olympics? Please Dave give me some clues.
flarider wrote:
Let's start with the first sentence, PC is his employer. Not manager. Not baby sitter. Employer. As an employee, it is his job to show up...
Let's start with the first sentence, PC is his employer. Not manager. Not baby sitter. Employer.


As an employee, it is his job to show up for work.

As for his "being sent to another country," Dean is a Canadian citizen. He went to his home country.

Any required documentation and/or visas should have been completed well in advance of this by his management staff, lawyers and/or family.


As for Olympians, you can rest assured their support staff had it all worked out well in advance.
So you blame Deans support staff for this?
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3/20/2010 11:02am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:31pm
GuyB wrote:
I did hear that a $500/hr. lawyer was working on it all week long. Everything had been in process for a while. Even up until the...
I did hear that a $500/hr. lawyer was working on it all week long.

Everything had been in process for a while. Even up until the last-minute they thought stuff was going to be done in time.

If we're going to blame anyone, I'd say blame Bin Laden. Ever since 911 things have been a lot tighter. Heck, even last weekend I got pulled into secondary inspection when entering Canada. With raised eyebrows I got a, "Have you ever been in trouble with the law?" And while leaving last week, we were run through what several of us nicely referred to as The Gauntlet. I've never seen so many police inspectors. Either the government knows something that we don't, or they're REALLY makng sure that they don't let the next terrorist through.

Anyway, pointing fingers and trying to do a blame game really isn't productive, and it's also not going to change anything for this weekend. Everyone put in their best efforts, and immigration dropped the ball.
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world.

I've almost missed flights a bunch of times because the jackholes at Vancouver airport were f-ing me about so much and I had my girlfriend turned back there once.

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3/20/2010 11:03am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2010 11:04am
Motodork wrote:
cuz if he was a ball sport player of any type they would of let him in. paperwork or no paperwork
There are problems every now and then for hockey players in the NHL where they can't leave one country or the other.
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So you blame Deans support staff for this?
Seems a logical conclusion, unless it was all left up to an 18 yr old Canadian kid to figure it all out on his own.
Keep this in mind, Pourcel flies back and forth to France with little trouble, and you can bet Mitch and PC is not his travel agent.
His management handles the documentation if and when required
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Blame Bush . . . .
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So you blame Deans support staff for this?
flarider wrote:
Seems a logical conclusion, unless it was all left up to an 18 yr old Canadian kid to figure it all out on his own. Keep...
Seems a logical conclusion, unless it was all left up to an 18 yr old Canadian kid to figure it all out on his own.
Keep this in mind, Pourcel flies back and forth to France with little trouble, and you can bet Mitch and PC is not his travel agent.
His management handles the documentation if and when required
I blame the kid, lazy fugger should have had this taken care of!
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3/20/2010 11:13am
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Most likely it's a Canadian issue. A buddy of mine is a rock concert production manager and he says Canada is one of the hardest countries...
Most likely it's a Canadian issue. A buddy of mine is a rock concert production manager and he says Canada is one of the hardest countries to get in and out of.
With all due respect, my experience with the US/Can border it different than that viewpoint. I cross the border into Detroit often and the US customs is often slower than molasses but that is fine.

How could this be a Canadian issue. He's trying to go INTO the US. It's the US customs officials that must have found something in his paperwork that raised a red flag.

I know someone that was going to Indiana for a church retreat/training session and was denied entry into Detroit and banned from the US for 6 years.
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3/20/2010 11:16am
I think it's all O.B.L.'s fault!

Or, maybe, O.D.B.'s?
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I don't think it was U.S. Immigration, but rather Canadian Immigration.

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Ahh... so the blame lies on Queen Elizabeth II & Stephen Harper. Smile
Nothing to do with Her Majesty. Probably cos he's from Scotland and they want him back. You Americans are lucky, if it wasn't for the British and General Woolf defeating the French at Quebec you'd all be speaking "parlez vous Francais" on the eastern seaboard from Detroit to Louisianna!Wink
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3/20/2010 11:24am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:32pm
Yet another question mark for the continued existence of a Canadian round?

You have mediocre attendance, NO Canadian riders in the premier class, extra travel expenses, and now immigration issues could decide championship results?


I've traveled home through Toronto Pearson a fair bit, and it is a gauntlet. The Mounties started freaking one time when they asked me to power up my laptop at the checkpoint and the battery was dead, I was at secondary inspection for 30 minutes for that one.
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Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world. I've almost missed flights a bunch of...
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world.

I've almost missed flights a bunch of times because the jackholes at Vancouver airport were f-ing me about so much and I had my girlfriend turned back there once.

That's US customs you're going through in Vancouver. It wasn't Canadians that were jacking your around.

Inside the airport where you go through US immigration you're technically on US soil. Like an embassy in a foreign country.

Those assholes are relentless. I was in line to go through customs and discovered I'd forgotten my briefcase. They almost arrested me for talking on a cell phone trying to arrange to have my briefcase shipped out to arrive at my destination.
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3/20/2010 11:46am
englishman wrote:
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world. I've almost missed flights a bunch of...
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world.

I've almost missed flights a bunch of times because the jackholes at Vancouver airport were f-ing me about so much and I had my girlfriend turned back there once.

Rooster wrote:
That's US customs you're going through in Vancouver. It wasn't Canadians that were jacking your around. Inside the airport where you go through US immigration you're...
That's US customs you're going through in Vancouver. It wasn't Canadians that were jacking your around.

Inside the airport where you go through US immigration you're technically on US soil. Like an embassy in a foreign country.

Those assholes are relentless. I was in line to go through customs and discovered I'd forgotten my briefcase. They almost arrested me for talking on a cell phone trying to arrange to have my briefcase shipped out to arrive at my destination.
Just speak Mexican next time, they'll let you right through.
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My question is this, if they knew his documentation was fucked up and had been working on it, why the fuck did they allow him to go to Canada in the first damn place?

No one is asking this.

I am willing to bet the fact is, no one was working on shit until this happened this week, because if there was any question he never should have been asked/told/allowed to go race the Canada round.

His agent/manager dropped the fucking ball on this and if I were Wilson, would be shopping for new (competent and prepared) representation ASAP.
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3/20/2010 11:55am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2010 11:56am
Does he have a Agent/Manager?
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3/20/2010 11:57am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:32pm
Well, it is like this. Canadians are soft and liberal. They are soft on terrorism and they let Muslims move into Canada way to easily. Therefore, the US has to be super vigilant about letting anyone in through Canada, as they might be an Islamo Fascist terrorist, or even worse a commie.


SoCal has all the MX racers we will ever need in this country anyway.
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3/20/2010 11:58am
englishman wrote:
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world. I've almost missed flights a bunch of...
Coming through Canada to the US is waaaay worse than coming in from any other part of the world.

I've almost missed flights a bunch of times because the jackholes at Vancouver airport were f-ing me about so much and I had my girlfriend turned back there once.

Rooster wrote:
That's US customs you're going through in Vancouver. It wasn't Canadians that were jacking your around. Inside the airport where you go through US immigration you're...
That's US customs you're going through in Vancouver. It wasn't Canadians that were jacking your around.

Inside the airport where you go through US immigration you're technically on US soil. Like an embassy in a foreign country.

Those assholes are relentless. I was in line to go through customs and discovered I'd forgotten my briefcase. They almost arrested me for talking on a cell phone trying to arrange to have my briefcase shipped out to arrive at my destination.
Honestly, when I went to New Orleans (we drove) with Habitat for Humanity to build for a week the U.S. agents kept us, at the border for TWELVE HOURS. They said by volunteering there we were taking jobs away from Americans... HAHAHA. And they made us sit in our vans (9 of them, which were all full, we were a big group) for TEN of those hours - wouldn't let us get out and walk around. We were finger printed, searched, the whole bit. It was pretty insulting actually. You're Welcome USA....
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bigborefan wrote:
Well, it is like this. Canadians are soft and liberal. They are soft on terrorism and they let Muslims move into Canada way to easily. Therefore...
Well, it is like this. Canadians are soft and liberal. They are soft on terrorism and they let Muslims move into Canada way to easily. Therefore, the US has to be super vigilant about letting anyone in through Canada, as they might be an Islamo Fascist terrorist, or even worse a commie.


SoCal has all the MX racers we will ever need in this country anyway.
Are there still commies left in the world? That's something from the '80s !

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