Biden's billionaire hoax

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3/12/2024 8:34am Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 8:36am
It's been brought to my attention by my GF that, He's proposing to tax unrealized capital gains.  In other words, a wealth tax.  And that fucks...

It's been brought to my attention by my GF that,

He's proposing to tax unrealized capital gains. 

In other words, a wealth tax. 

And that fucks with a lot more than just "the rich" that a few of you have a hard on for.

 

That will hit a lot of the middle class. 

Like us, who have five real estate properties totaling well into 7 figures.

But our combined incomes are within the boundaries of the figure that he claims, "will not pay one single cent more in taxes".

The devil is in the details.

 

So if you're wise with your income, spend and invest properly in order to have your money working for you, and not have to live off of savings, or S.S. as you get older, he still plans on fucking you as he funds Ukraine, and gift cards for his illegal immigrants. 

Zycki11 wrote:
The unrealized capitol gains tax is one of the largest wtf moments in a while. Venmo, $zelle, Only Fans, all of those will be absolutely slaughtered...

The unrealized capitol gains tax is one of the largest wtf moments in a while. Venmo, $zelle, Only Fans, all of those will be absolutely slaughtered. Not to mention anyone who is an investor.  Good gravy how much more of the lemon do they need to fucking squeeze while they spend like a teenage girl in a mall for the first time. 

GF, and myself are more than a bit pissed about that one.

 

Also, and I'm going to have to research this when I get home,

Apparently he's making it more difficult for us independent contractors.

He wants everyone to be someone's employee. 

 

Fuck that.

I want the freedom to build for who I want to,  when I want to,  and for whatever rate I want charge.

 

But then again, I guess he'll be putting a value on my shop, and the rest of my equipment, trucks, etc... as what he's planning on being considered as "wealth".

 

We can't get this cabal of socialists evicted soon enough.

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It's been brought to my attention by my GF that, He's proposing to tax unrealized capital gains.  In other words, a wealth tax.  And that fucks...

It's been brought to my attention by my GF that,

He's proposing to tax unrealized capital gains. 

In other words, a wealth tax. 

And that fucks with a lot more than just "the rich" that a few of you have a hard on for.

 

That will hit a lot of the middle class. 

Like us, who have five real estate properties totaling well into 7 figures.

But our combined incomes are within the boundaries of the figure that he claims, "will not pay one single cent more in taxes".

The devil is in the details.

 

So if you're wise with your income, spend and invest properly in order to have your money working for you, and not have to live off of savings, or S.S. as you get older, he still plans on fucking you as he funds Ukraine, and gift cards for his illegal immigrants. 

Zycki11 wrote:
The unrealized capitol gains tax is one of the largest wtf moments in a while. Venmo, $zelle, Only Fans, all of those will be absolutely slaughtered...

The unrealized capitol gains tax is one of the largest wtf moments in a while. Venmo, $zelle, Only Fans, all of those will be absolutely slaughtered. Not to mention anyone who is an investor.  Good gravy how much more of the lemon do they need to fucking squeeze while they spend like a teenage girl in a mall for the first time. 

GF, and myself are more than a bit pissed about that one.   Also, and I'm going to have to research this when I get home...

GF, and myself are more than a bit pissed about that one.

 

Also, and I'm going to have to research this when I get home,

Apparently he's making it more difficult for us independent contractors.

He wants everyone to be someone's employee. 

 

Fuck that.

I want the freedom to build for who I want to,  when I want to,  and for whatever rate I want charge.

 

But then again, I guess he'll be putting a value on my shop, and the rest of my equipment, trucks, etc... as what he's planning on being considered as "wealth".

 

We can't get this cabal of socialists evicted soon enough.

I haven't read anything about the Contractor situation. That seems a little messy with state laws etc. Independent contractors are in in every sector.

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Billionaires often pay an effective tax rate under 5%. It’s truly insane and there definitely needs to be a complete rework to make sure they can’t...

Billionaires often pay an effective tax rate under 5%. It’s truly insane and there definitely needs to be a complete rework to make sure they can’t do that. A wealth tax only over a certain amount would do wonders. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Makes sense to you that if someone works really hard, studies, innovates, achieves, creates commerce, employs, and develops his money he earned should be confiscated for...

Makes sense to you that if someone works really hard, studies, innovates, achieves, creates commerce, employs, and develops his money he earned should be confiscated for the benefit of those that didn't? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Fortune 500 companies hire and fire CEOs and  CFOs everyday, they have no union, and the job pays multi-millions per year, anyone can apply. Anyone of our kids could have a job like that someday. Do you want that achievement penalized?

They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a...

They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a much higher percentage. Not sure what part of this you don’t get.

The part I don't get is that if making only 50k a year sucks work harder and make more. If the rich have it made, become rich. The caste system no longer exists. Nobody is keeping any secrets as to where money comes from.

 

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It’s long overdue that we throw these fucks out on their ass. Fuck the whole government. Fuck Joe Biden. Nooses for them all is the only way out. 

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Are the wealthy paying a larger and larger share of federal taxes? Yes

Is our tax system more progressive as time goes by? Yes

Why do you think they should pay more?

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 This will probably be ignored. It's just to inconvenient to Democrat lies.

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Spoonguy wrote:
Makes sense to you that if someone works really hard, studies, innovates, achieves, creates commerce, employs, and develops his money he earned should be confiscated for...

Makes sense to you that if someone works really hard, studies, innovates, achieves, creates commerce, employs, and develops his money he earned should be confiscated for the benefit of those that didn't? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Fortune 500 companies hire and fire CEOs and  CFOs everyday, they have no union, and the job pays multi-millions per year, anyone can apply. Anyone of our kids could have a job like that someday. Do you want that achievement penalized?

They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a...

They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a much higher percentage. Not sure what part of this you don’t get.

Spoonguy wrote:
The part I don't get is that if making only 50k a year sucks work harder and make more. If the rich have it made, become...

The part I don't get is that if making only 50k a year sucks work harder and make more. If the rich have it made, become rich. The caste system no longer exists. Nobody is keeping any secrets as to where money comes from.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Thats shifting the goal posts big time. I never said you shouldn’t work harder to make more money. All I’ve ever said in this thread is that millionaires should not have an effective tax rate lower than the middle class Americans. That’s it. That’s all. Nothing else. You keep trying to spin it like well people should work harder or this or that. Not even relevant to what I’m saying even remotely. Straw man and shifting the goal posts is all that is. If you have an argument for why millionaires should have a lower effective tax rate than the middle class, let’s hear it.

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Taxes...

"Pentagon to give Ukraine $300 million in weapons even as it lacks funds to replenish US stockpile"

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It’s high time we worried more about our country than others. Especially when it comes to weaponry. 

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Gworm wrote:

It’s high time we worried more about our country than others. Especially when it comes to weaponry. 

But "The Big Guy" needs his cut...

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They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a...

They won’t be penalized. They’ll still be millionaires. I just don’t think their effective tax rate should be under 5% while someone earning 50K pays a much higher percentage. Not sure what part of this you don’t get.

Spoonguy wrote:
The part I don't get is that if making only 50k a year sucks work harder and make more. If the rich have it made, become...

The part I don't get is that if making only 50k a year sucks work harder and make more. If the rich have it made, become rich. The caste system no longer exists. Nobody is keeping any secrets as to where money comes from.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Thats shifting the goal posts big time. I never said you shouldn’t work harder to make more money...

What in the world are you talking about? Thats shifting the goal posts big time. I never said you shouldn’t work harder to make more money. All I’ve ever said in this thread is that millionaires should not have an effective tax rate lower than the middle class Americans. That’s it. That’s all. Nothing else. You keep trying to spin it like well people should work harder or this or that. Not even relevant to what I’m saying even remotely. Straw man and shifting the goal posts is all that is. If you have an argument for why millionaires should have a lower effective tax rate than the middle class, let’s hear it.

Sorry pal, misunderstood your context. Thought it was all about class envy.

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Gworm wrote:

Vitards and Vitardettes!

I have the solution.  
 

The Fair Tax. !

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

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Not sure what the boy means by projection. I'm not operating a movie theater.    I'm openly stating that there's about 3-4 persistent people in this...

Not sure what the boy means by projection.

I'm not operating a movie theater. 

 

I'm openly stating that there's about 3-4 persistent people in this thread, that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground about how a free market, capitalist economy functions.

You’re one of them . 

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olds cool wrote:
Consumption/Value added tax. Maybe around 14% No tax on food or medicine                            ...

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

Would corporations pay or just individuals?

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Gworm wrote:

Vitards and Vitardettes!

I have the solution.  
 

The Fair Tax. !

olds cool wrote:
Consumption/Value added tax. Maybe around 14% No tax on food or medicine                            ...

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

We have a value added tax here in Australia, it is 10% on all goods but that does not stop them from adding, fuel excise or tobacco excises etc etc, we are getting taxed on a tax. Watch out what you you wish for because once it is in it will be impossible to not only get out they will just add excises to whatever they want.

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3/12/2024 2:59pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 2:59pm
Gworm wrote:

Vitards and Vitardettes!

I have the solution.  
 

The Fair Tax. !

olds cool wrote:
Consumption/Value added tax. Maybe around 14% No tax on food or medicine                            ...

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

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Not sure what the boy means by projection. I'm not operating a movie theater.    I'm openly stating that there's about 3-4 persistent people in this...

Not sure what the boy means by projection.

I'm not operating a movie theater. 

 

I'm openly stating that there's about 3-4 persistent people in this thread, that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground about how a free market, capitalist economy functions.

eddie wrote:

You’re one of them . 

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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Gworm wrote:

Vitards and Vitardettes!

I have the solution.  
 

The Fair Tax. !

olds cool wrote:
Consumption/Value added tax. Maybe around 14% No tax on food or medicine                            ...

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

History dictates taxes evolve with time like everything else. In this countries history income tax is relatively new yet always controversial, I believe once it was considered unconstitutional. We will see in time income tax abolished with a VAT or something very similar replacing it. With taxes being used more and more as a way to control our behaviors as much as raising revenue a type of VAT seems to make sense to the powers that be. In a way licensing, fees, and permits are a form of VAT?

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I'd prefer a balanced budget amendment before entertaining the thought that any tax change is going to make a significant difference. 

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VAT taxes would eliminate a little more of the black market economy potentially.

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Spoonguy wrote:

VAT taxes would eliminate a little more of the black market economy potentially.

Unless you know a guy that can find things that "fell off a truck" 😁😁😁

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olds cool wrote:
Consumption/Value added tax. Maybe around 14% No tax on food or medicine                            ...

Consumption/Value added tax.

Maybe around 14%
No tax on food or medicine                                           
New goods and services only                                    
No tax on used goods                                               
Eliminate income and property tax                            
Eliminate the IRS

Everybody pays the same rate.  The more you consume, the more you pay.  

Sign me up.

 

LungButter wrote:

Would corporations pay or just individuals?

If I were the “decision maker”, I would assume corporations would consume a lot of goods and services, so they would pay taxes on those things that they buy to produce their widgets.  Of course, they would pass those costs along to the consumer, just like they pass their corporate taxes on to consumers currently.

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3/12/2024 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 7:23pm

WASHINGTON – Some of America’s marquee corporations with billions in profits each—General Electric, General Motors, Meta (owner of Facebook), Tesla and T-Mobile—paid little in federal income taxes last year and in some cases even got big refunds, according to a new analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness (ATF). Together the five companies earned over $70 billion in profits yet paid an effective average tax rate of just 6.9%, even as several of them provided wealthy shareholders with stock buybacks. The statutory corporate tax rate is 21%; in a recent year, a typical American family paid 13.6%.

General Electric earned nearly $7 billion in 2023, yet instead of paying any federal income tax on those profits they got a refund of $423 million. Of the four firms that paid any taxes, Meta paid the highest rate at 11.5%, but that was just barely more than half the statutory rate. The two automakers, GM and Tesla, paid only 4.1% and 1.5%, respectively. T-Mobile paid a paltry 0.4% in federal taxes. 

While T-Mobile failed to pay practically anything in federal income taxes last year, it still managed to spend plenty of money on stock buybacks in 2023, repurchasing over $13 billion of its own shares to benefit rich shareholders. Stock buybacks increase the value of shares remaining in investor hands. It’s a tax-free gift to these shareholders, who are overwhelmingly wealthy. 

Meta spent four times more on buybacks—nearly $20 billion worth—than it paid in taxes. GM’s $11 billion in share repurchases was more than 40 times as much as it paid in taxes. 

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ILoveMoto wrote:
WASHINGTON – Some of America’s marquee corporations with billions in profits each—General Electric, General Motors, Meta (owner of Facebook), Tesla and T-Mobile—paid little in federal income...

WASHINGTON – Some of America’s marquee corporations with billions in profits each—General Electric, General Motors, Meta (owner of Facebook), Tesla and T-Mobile—paid little in federal income taxes last year and in some cases even got big refunds, according to a new analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness (ATF). Together the five companies earned over $70 billion in profits yet paid an effective average tax rate of just 6.9%, even as several of them provided wealthy shareholders with stock buybacks. The statutory corporate tax rate is 21%; in a recent year, a typical American family paid 13.6%.

General Electric earned nearly $7 billion in 2023, yet instead of paying any federal income tax on those profits they got a refund of $423 million. Of the four firms that paid any taxes, Meta paid the highest rate at 11.5%, but that was just barely more than half the statutory rate. The two automakers, GM and Tesla, paid only 4.1% and 1.5%, respectively. T-Mobile paid a paltry 0.4% in federal taxes. 

While T-Mobile failed to pay practically anything in federal income taxes last year, it still managed to spend plenty of money on stock buybacks in 2023, repurchasing over $13 billion of its own shares to benefit rich shareholders. Stock buybacks increase the value of shares remaining in investor hands. It’s a tax-free gift to these shareholders, who are overwhelmingly wealthy. 

Meta spent four times more on buybacks—nearly $20 billion worth—than it paid in taxes. GM’s $11 billion in share repurchases was more than 40 times as much as it paid in taxes. 

Yet DC is the bottom of the barrel to live in.

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ILoveMoto wrote:
WASHINGTON – Some of America’s marquee corporations with billions in profits each—General Electric, General Motors, Meta (owner of Facebook), Tesla and T-Mobile—paid little in federal income...

WASHINGTON – Some of America’s marquee corporations with billions in profits each—General Electric, General Motors, Meta (owner of Facebook), Tesla and T-Mobile—paid little in federal income taxes last year and in some cases even got big refunds, according to a new analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness (ATF). Together the five companies earned over $70 billion in profits yet paid an effective average tax rate of just 6.9%, even as several of them provided wealthy shareholders with stock buybacks. The statutory corporate tax rate is 21%; in a recent year, a typical American family paid 13.6%.

General Electric earned nearly $7 billion in 2023, yet instead of paying any federal income tax on those profits they got a refund of $423 million. Of the four firms that paid any taxes, Meta paid the highest rate at 11.5%, but that was just barely more than half the statutory rate. The two automakers, GM and Tesla, paid only 4.1% and 1.5%, respectively. T-Mobile paid a paltry 0.4% in federal taxes. 

While T-Mobile failed to pay practically anything in federal income taxes last year, it still managed to spend plenty of money on stock buybacks in 2023, repurchasing over $13 billion of its own shares to benefit rich shareholders. Stock buybacks increase the value of shares remaining in investor hands. It’s a tax-free gift to these shareholders, who are overwhelmingly wealthy. 

Meta spent four times more on buybacks—nearly $20 billion worth—than it paid in taxes. GM’s $11 billion in share repurchases was more than 40 times as much as it paid in taxes. 

Americans for Tax Fairness? Should be Americans for Free Shit. I want what you have. Gimme.

Corporations should pay ZERO income tax.

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3/12/2024 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 7:35pm

Remember when Ross Perot wanted to get rid of lobbyists ( professional bribers )? Yea, that didn't get to far...🥴

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Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can know how their taxes are fair or unfair. How corporations pay taxes is incalculable without a SWAT team of accountants and lawyers. What we can know though is without these "greedy" or "unfair" corporations, their thousands upon thousands of employees would not be paying income or SSI tax, their share holders would not be taxed on dividends or capitol gains, the local communities they are located in would not have additional property taxes for schools and infrastructure, none of their suppliers would pay income tax, on and on. A corporation is a cash cow to most communities. Anybody who thinks corporations do not do their share should go to a community and observe where one pulled out and shuttered the factories, Buffalo, Detroit, Allentown, and such. I'm know there were people in Buffalo that at one time preached the bullshit that the steel plants were parasitic, that the steel plants didn't do "their share". Well the naysayers got their wish the steel plants left, and now that town would sacrifice all their first born to get them back.

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Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can...

Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can know how their taxes are fair or unfair. How corporations pay taxes is incalculable without a SWAT team of accountants and lawyers. What we can know though is without these "greedy" or "unfair" corporations, their thousands upon thousands of employees would not be paying income or SSI tax, their share holders would not be taxed on dividends or capitol gains, the local communities they are located in would not have additional property taxes for schools and infrastructure, none of their suppliers would pay income tax, on and on. A corporation is a cash cow to most communities. Anybody who thinks corporations do not do their share should go to a community and observe where one pulled out and shuttered the factories, Buffalo, Detroit, Allentown, and such. I'm know there were people in Buffalo that at one time preached the bullshit that the steel plants were parasitic, that the steel plants didn't do "their share". Well the naysayers got their wish the steel plants left, and now that town would sacrifice all their first born to get them back.

I’m always a bit surprised when people view corporations as ‘benevolent masters’. 

Take Walmart as an example. Do you really believe that if they didn’t exist that everyone who they employ would be out of work?  Not likely. Instead they would probably be employed by the tens of thousands of small businesses who wouldn’t have been pushed out by Walmart’s predatory tactics and there would be thousands more small business owners building at least a modicum of wealth. 


 


 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can...

Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can know how their taxes are fair or unfair. How corporations pay taxes is incalculable without a SWAT team of accountants and lawyers. What we can know though is without these "greedy" or "unfair" corporations, their thousands upon thousands of employees would not be paying income or SSI tax, their share holders would not be taxed on dividends or capitol gains, the local communities they are located in would not have additional property taxes for schools and infrastructure, none of their suppliers would pay income tax, on and on. A corporation is a cash cow to most communities. Anybody who thinks corporations do not do their share should go to a community and observe where one pulled out and shuttered the factories, Buffalo, Detroit, Allentown, and such. I'm know there were people in Buffalo that at one time preached the bullshit that the steel plants were parasitic, that the steel plants didn't do "their share". Well the naysayers got their wish the steel plants left, and now that town would sacrifice all their first born to get them back.

Well said. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can...

Given the encyclopedia's worth of rules for how corporations pay taxes and how they have to cypher them, let's not anyone of us assume we can know how their taxes are fair or unfair. How corporations pay taxes is incalculable without a SWAT team of accountants and lawyers. What we can know though is without these "greedy" or "unfair" corporations, their thousands upon thousands of employees would not be paying income or SSI tax, their share holders would not be taxed on dividends or capitol gains, the local communities they are located in would not have additional property taxes for schools and infrastructure, none of their suppliers would pay income tax, on and on. A corporation is a cash cow to most communities. Anybody who thinks corporations do not do their share should go to a community and observe where one pulled out and shuttered the factories, Buffalo, Detroit, Allentown, and such. I'm know there were people in Buffalo that at one time preached the bullshit that the steel plants were parasitic, that the steel plants didn't do "their share". Well the naysayers got their wish the steel plants left, and now that town would sacrifice all their first born to get them back.

APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m always a bit surprised when people view corporations as ‘benevolent masters’.  Take Walmart as an example. Do you really believe that if they didn’t exist...

I’m always a bit surprised when people view corporations as ‘benevolent masters’. 

Take Walmart as an example. Do you really believe that if they didn’t exist that everyone who they employ would be out of work?  Not likely. Instead they would probably be employed by the tens of thousands of small businesses who wouldn’t have been pushed out by Walmart’s predatory tactics and there would be thousands more small business owners building at least a modicum of wealth. 


 


 

Hard to do that these days with the increase in wage, being taxed on heavily as a small business owner, so on so forth. Truth is yes, we need many many more small businesses. Problem, they are making it harder for them to succeed. Covid wiped out so many of those small businesses it wasn’t funny. 

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