For those complaining about wanting to make tracks safer...

2/29/2024 9:59am

I know its not a common crash that happens. And why I was saying that a lot of the things that people were suggesting may have more of an impact on other more common types of off track incidents. I do hope that there are people that are working on ways to make racing safer for any types of crash, no matter how rare they are. 

I wonder what part of the impact caused his injury. The bending of his body, or the hitting the concrete. If it was the bending, a softer surface might have grabbed him more and made it worse. I am glad that he should be able to make a full recovery. From the outside looking in, it looks like Feld has been trying to make the tracks safer without hurting the racing. Its a give and take sometimes. I hope they keep working on making tracks as safe as possible. 

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2/29/2024 10:09am
Zycki11 wrote:
We don’t need to outline the track with pads. Just make subtle changes to the entrance of sections so they aren’t as fast. This will curb...

We don’t need to outline the track with pads. Just make subtle changes to the entrance of sections so they aren’t as fast. This will curb a lot of the major injuries. They should have 3-5 nets minimum to cover the berms, more dirt to build things properly and slow the track down. Way way too many laps on these fast tracks. 

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to...

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to the outer lanes.  It's just that riders don't fly off the track every week.  What is everyone's suggestion for Daytona and Atlanta?  Do we need Magoofan to make a simulation of the Daytona track surrounded by airbags and wrestling mats?  Talk about high speed next to the asphalt...

Had Austin crashed in that same section, landed in the dirt, and broke his collar bone it would be the norm and we wouldn't even be talking about this as it's the norm.  But instead, he's one of the handful of riders who've flown off the track and landed on their back on the concrete in the last 5 years all of a sudden we need to put pads and nets down??  Give me a break, those riders are just fine.

Like RC said, "When does it stop?"  We already lost the whoops and dragon's back.

Did everyone see the rider get punted into the opposing lane last week and go the wrong direction on the track for a bit?  If he had crashed head-on with another rider and gotten hurt, it sounds like everyone would be talking about putting nets/fences up between the lanes to prevent it?  

It's a vey dangerous sport.  Shit is going to happen. They've done a good job at making it as safe as possible, and not killing the race viewing experience. 

joshd wrote:
We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day...

We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day. Go flatten the knuckle on the table just a little. We’re lucky Austin was the only one hurt. 

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

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2/29/2024 10:15am
I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to...

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to the outer lanes.  It's just that riders don't fly off the track every week.  What is everyone's suggestion for Daytona and Atlanta?  Do we need Magoofan to make a simulation of the Daytona track surrounded by airbags and wrestling mats?  Talk about high speed next to the asphalt...

Had Austin crashed in that same section, landed in the dirt, and broke his collar bone it would be the norm and we wouldn't even be talking about this as it's the norm.  But instead, he's one of the handful of riders who've flown off the track and landed on their back on the concrete in the last 5 years all of a sudden we need to put pads and nets down??  Give me a break, those riders are just fine.

Like RC said, "When does it stop?"  We already lost the whoops and dragon's back.

Did everyone see the rider get punted into the opposing lane last week and go the wrong direction on the track for a bit?  If he had crashed head-on with another rider and gotten hurt, it sounds like everyone would be talking about putting nets/fences up between the lanes to prevent it?  

It's a vey dangerous sport.  Shit is going to happen. They've done a good job at making it as safe as possible, and not killing the race viewing experience. 

joshd wrote:
We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day...

We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day. Go flatten the knuckle on the table just a little. We’re lucky Austin was the only one hurt. 

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if...

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

Austin, Vialle, multiple privateers, Anderson, Barcia all went down in that section. I agree the riders should voice up, kinda hard when they don’t listen though. 

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2/29/2024 10:41am

This may be an odd thing to say and I don’t think anyone has mentioned it yet, but i am actually glad he didn’t have a neck brace on. 

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2/29/2024 10:44am
Zycki11 wrote:
We don’t need to outline the track with pads. Just make subtle changes to the entrance of sections so they aren’t as fast. This will curb...

We don’t need to outline the track with pads. Just make subtle changes to the entrance of sections so they aren’t as fast. This will curb a lot of the major injuries. They should have 3-5 nets minimum to cover the berms, more dirt to build things properly and slow the track down. Way way too many laps on these fast tracks. 

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to...

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to the outer lanes.  It's just that riders don't fly off the track every week.  What is everyone's suggestion for Daytona and Atlanta?  Do we need Magoofan to make a simulation of the Daytona track surrounded by airbags and wrestling mats?  Talk about high speed next to the asphalt...

Had Austin crashed in that same section, landed in the dirt, and broke his collar bone it would be the norm and we wouldn't even be talking about this as it's the norm.  But instead, he's one of the handful of riders who've flown off the track and landed on their back on the concrete in the last 5 years all of a sudden we need to put pads and nets down??  Give me a break, those riders are just fine.

Like RC said, "When does it stop?"  We already lost the whoops and dragon's back.

Did everyone see the rider get punted into the opposing lane last week and go the wrong direction on the track for a bit?  If he had crashed head-on with another rider and gotten hurt, it sounds like everyone would be talking about putting nets/fences up between the lanes to prevent it?  

It's a vey dangerous sport.  Shit is going to happen. They've done a good job at making it as safe as possible, and not killing the race viewing experience. 

Ha...   I brought this up in the Daytona "on drugs" thread.    Look at all the high speed lanes next to the concrete track and pit lanes.

I think it's funny, you and I are largely on the same page when I read your comments....but the reactions are so different.   Laughing

I love this place. Laughing

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I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to...

I don't believe you guys are thinking this through.  Every single track has technical sections that can cause injury.  Every single track has concrete next to the outer lanes.  It's just that riders don't fly off the track every week.  What is everyone's suggestion for Daytona and Atlanta?  Do we need Magoofan to make a simulation of the Daytona track surrounded by airbags and wrestling mats?  Talk about high speed next to the asphalt...

Had Austin crashed in that same section, landed in the dirt, and broke his collar bone it would be the norm and we wouldn't even be talking about this as it's the norm.  But instead, he's one of the handful of riders who've flown off the track and landed on their back on the concrete in the last 5 years all of a sudden we need to put pads and nets down??  Give me a break, those riders are just fine.

Like RC said, "When does it stop?"  We already lost the whoops and dragon's back.

Did everyone see the rider get punted into the opposing lane last week and go the wrong direction on the track for a bit?  If he had crashed head-on with another rider and gotten hurt, it sounds like everyone would be talking about putting nets/fences up between the lanes to prevent it?  

It's a vey dangerous sport.  Shit is going to happen. They've done a good job at making it as safe as possible, and not killing the race viewing experience. 

joshd wrote:
We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day...

We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day. Go flatten the knuckle on the table just a little. We’re lucky Austin was the only one hurt. 

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if...

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also? 

I don’t know who is responsible for making changes. I’m also not playing Monday quarter back but man some of this shit is common sense. If you see a knuckle kicking riders forward in that big a rhythm going that fast it’s got to be addressed. 
 

Even the whoops. Again, it’s common sense. Don’t put 12 huge whoops after a triple so guys have to hit them wide  open in 4th Put them right out of a corner and build them big. Slow the guys down, longer lap times, less laps. It’s just infuriating as a fan to see all the half ass thinking by the ones in charge. 

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2/29/2024 12:46pm
joshd wrote:
We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day...

We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day. Go flatten the knuckle on the table just a little. We’re lucky Austin was the only one hurt. 

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if...

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

joshd wrote:
More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also?  I don’t know who is responsible for...

More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also? 

I don’t know who is responsible for making changes. I’m also not playing Monday quarter back but man some of this shit is common sense. If you see a knuckle kicking riders forward in that big a rhythm going that fast it’s got to be addressed. 
 

Even the whoops. Again, it’s common sense. Don’t put 12 huge whoops after a triple so guys have to hit them wide  open in 4th Put them right out of a corner and build them big. Slow the guys down, longer lap times, less laps. It’s just infuriating as a fan to see all the half ass thinking by the ones in charge. 

Here here 

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2/29/2024 12:56pm

Everyone go outside.... go into your front yard and run as fast as you can and dive into the air head first. Now go do it on concrete. See which one you'd rather do a second time.

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2/29/2024 1:39pm
Magoofan wrote:
While I think they could make the tracks themselves less dangerous, (lets face it, too many people are getting hurt)....I laughed at people calling for elimination...

While I think they could make the tracks themselves less dangerous, (lets face it, too many people are getting hurt)....I laughed at people calling for elimination or covering the concrete and was called "dumbass".      Here you have two of the most respected moto people in history who know a thing or two that are  apparently also a couple of "dumbasses"   Wink           Dirt, concrete, rubber mats....ain't gonna matter coming down that hard. 

The safe-space generation is a riot. 

 

So if a rider lands flat on his back on concrete, it’ll be the same forces as if the rider landed on a softer matting.  ...

So if a rider lands flat on his back on concrete, it’ll be the same forces as if the rider landed on a softer matting.

 

Did you take science at school? 

Mats or just soft dirt/sand would be better than concrete. I've crashed on all surfaces and the looser it is the softer the landing. Even on loosely packed rocks is better than hard packed clay. They could do one of those inflatable deals they make landing ramps out of and just have it be 1ft thick to slow the rider down before the hard base. Wouldn't take up too much room in a trailer compared to foam pads.

On another note, I think flat on your back is probably the best way to crash on concrete. Worst case is on your ass or head compressing your vertebrae.

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truck wrote:
Everyone go outside.... go into your front yard and run as fast as you can and dive into the air head first. Now go do it...

Everyone go outside.... go into your front yard and run as fast as you can and dive into the air head first. Now go do it on concrete. See which one you'd rather do a second time.

Kind of like the ole “is your hand bigger than your face” kind of thing 

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I'd like to see more turns and fewer stadium-length straights with 10+ jumps in them. Why has Supercross become Rhythmsectioncross? 

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Kind of reminds me of the MMA studies that proved that having a simple beard absorbs 37% more impact than a fighter with no facial hair...

Kind of reminds me of the MMA studies that proved that having a simple beard absorbs 37% more impact than a fighter with no facial hair. Something has to be better than nothing on that concrete

What's the % if having a complex beard?

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2/29/2024 3:52pm

I can't believe Munoz was able to save this at the 11:00 minute mark, it's worth another look.  And then seconds later he goes into the oncoming lane which could have resulted in a head on collision.  Had Munoz collided with another rider and gotten injured, all the Nancy's here would be talking about installing nets/fencing between the lanes to improve safety:

 

 

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joshd wrote:
We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day...

We’re fine with big whoops and dragons backs. People will get hurt in supercross. I get it, but that particular jump had kicked people all day. Go flatten the knuckle on the table just a little. We’re lucky Austin was the only one hurt. 

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if...

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

joshd wrote:
More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also?  I don’t know who is responsible for...

More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also? 

I don’t know who is responsible for making changes. I’m also not playing Monday quarter back but man some of this shit is common sense. If you see a knuckle kicking riders forward in that big a rhythm going that fast it’s got to be addressed. 
 

Even the whoops. Again, it’s common sense. Don’t put 12 huge whoops after a triple so guys have to hit them wide  open in 4th Put them right out of a corner and build them big. Slow the guys down, longer lap times, less laps. It’s just infuriating as a fan to see all the half ass thinking by the ones in charge. 

Didnt Jett crash out of the lead too?

2/29/2024 4:32pm
I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if...

I'm okay with that, but I think that should be the responsibility of the riders to voice their opinions for those changes to be made if something on the track is that dangerous.  They already do this to some extent, but I don't think they can get rid of every dangerous obstacle on every track.

Wasn't Austin the only one to crash there?  I might have missed someone else so I'm not sure.  It also sounds like this crash happened as a result of Austin not backing it down after he lost a contact lens and couldn't see.   

joshd wrote:
More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also?  I don’t know who is responsible for...

More than Austin crashed there. Tom also had a nasty one there. Isn’t it where swoll went down also? 

I don’t know who is responsible for making changes. I’m also not playing Monday quarter back but man some of this shit is common sense. If you see a knuckle kicking riders forward in that big a rhythm going that fast it’s got to be addressed. 
 

Even the whoops. Again, it’s common sense. Don’t put 12 huge whoops after a triple so guys have to hit them wide  open in 4th Put them right out of a corner and build them big. Slow the guys down, longer lap times, less laps. It’s just infuriating as a fan to see all the half ass thinking by the ones in charge. 

LP31 wrote:

Didnt Jett crash out of the lead too?

Swoll made contact with Anstie before the section on the flats leading into it.   Jett cross rutted.  Vialle crashed farther down.  No footage that I have seen shows anyone crashing on the same obstacle that Austin did, but I haven't seen Barcia's or Anderson's crash footage there according to Zycki11

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Magoofan wrote:
While I think they could make the tracks themselves less dangerous, (lets face it, too many people are getting hurt)....I laughed at people calling for elimination...

While I think they could make the tracks themselves less dangerous, (lets face it, too many people are getting hurt)....I laughed at people calling for elimination or covering the concrete and was called "dumbass".      Here you have two of the most respected moto people in history who know a thing or two that are  apparently also a couple of "dumbasses"   Wink           Dirt, concrete, rubber mats....ain't gonna matter coming down that hard. 

The safe-space generation is a riot. 

 

Okay boomer 

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Watch and learn at the 5:10 mark. They pretty much cover all the complaints from the vitards about wanting to slow tracks down, getting rid of...

Watch and learn at the 5:10 mark. They pretty much cover all the complaints from the vitards about wanting to slow tracks down, getting rid of dangerous sections, getting rid of the concrete, etc:

 

 

The world is getting too soft.  
 

RC and RV came from a different era .  

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I believe there are a few things going on the causes the injuries.

1. 24 plus laps for a 450 main is too much, tracks are beat.

2. They need more time to prep tracks during the night show. (Matthes has bought this up numerous times)

3. When we raced a sand track you could crash a few times a day and still get up. Concrete is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Austin could of had a horrible outcome if he landed differently.

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