Which first world country falls first?

2/6/2024 4:57am
Here’s a pic of a gorgeous Lithuanian princess she’s really a very special women . Very full of Love , life and very interesting. Very sweet...

Here’s a pic of a gorgeous Lithuanian princess she’s really a very special women . Very full of Love , life and very interesting. Very sweet and caring women. I tried to talk her into moving to America & said I could hv a job and everything setup.  She said that she’s afraid of America. And named a few things.  She was in Poland site seeing IMG 8935.png?VersionId=OoQgBQywhen missiles went way off target & hit Poland. 

I don't know Golden Rod.  That doesn't look like a truckers wife to me.  LOL

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Taiwan .

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Texas is 1 of the weakest states in the country. They’ve proved that for some time now. Wi. Could easily wipe tx off the map. We...

Texas is 1 of the weakest states in the country. They’ve proved that for some time now. Wi. Could easily wipe tx off the map. We hv more guns per person , people that keep there skills sharp with a gun, a lot of Indian tribes , organized crime in high numbers. If you go everywhere in America & deal with people from all ovr the world. A lot of the Eastern Europeans & other countries r leaving America. Because it’s a 3rd world country now.  Most Americans can’t afford rent & live with a few people.  Biden will use another mob guy to make ballets 24/7 & get the trks setup to hit the election bldgs the same way as in 2020.  2026 by July 5th there will be a civil war maybe.  I,ve seen militant groups training with m16,s in the boonies.  Russia just wants to drag out a war not win it quickly. There trying to bait us into it. There analog to computer weapons r not accurate. A Russian solder now American citizen told me they had 2 clips in a ak47 for training some had 1. I know a lot of Russians there really Huge Pussies. And nothing to fear. There Nukes r so old nobody has the codes that’s alive.  Are military is not a super power anymore. The biggest propaganda machine there is  .i was shocked by how weak they r they always quit  on the hhg rig. In trucking there the biggest babies saying I can’t go to the s. Side of the ne. Citizens could wipe them out. It comes down to a much higher number of men. China is big trouble for us. Much larger #,s in the  military & extremely secretive. We deal with civil war type of violence all the time. My best friend is black ftom nyc . I saw him a couple days  ago. He wanted to show me his new co,s trk. He said what cal you got. I said I hv a few knifes, pipes, stuff like that. He opens the compartment above his head & pulls his gun & says boom your dead . Laughing. He said a knife your living in the Stone Age. Just shoot the mother f er , quick & clean. 

Hahahaha!

That's gold, Jerry!

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2/6/2024 5:57am Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 5:58am

As much as Americas manufacturing is dependent on China…it really just means that China is dependent on America.  If American companies stopped doing business with China, China is toast.

American companies could transition to manufacturing in other countries…and go on.  But China couldn’t survive without America.  China needs America way more than America needs China.

In a lot of ways China sold out to America, while America is exploiting China for the cheap labor.  

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I was just kidding about Canada..

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Do you think with states becoming further apart in ideology, there could be a California or Texas that secedes from the union ? 

philG wrote:
This is closer than you think.  We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas...

This is closer than you think. 

We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas and Florida are my picks  California wont because it is still suckling off the tit. 

 

Denver and everything north to Wyoming will become a "Cali/NY" Everything south of Denver is still RED and holding tough against the Polis sanctuary Bullshit. Not...

Denver and everything north to Wyoming will become a "Cali/NY"

Everything south of Denver is still RED and holding tough against the Polis sanctuary Bullshit.

Not happening here in El Paso County 

IMG 8803I,m in Pueblo now can’t find freight here to Denver. There’s aprox 10k trks sitting & looking. Jan 17 I had 4 stop in Denver. Pic is 2 college office people she’s from New Orleans & made hrs of phone calls trying to get hand unloaders .  Her voice broke up like she was going to cry hung up & the tears flowed. Not easy to see I told her hey we,ll get it just relax etc. the guy is from Md. another regional manager girl was from Va.& wv. The 4 of us hand unlded for hrs. I fought in Chicago to get paid & didn’t. My work has no idea what we all went through. It’s an office complex for 24 ft trks. The other 3 stops had people from other states. I didn’t meet anyone in Denver that’s from Co.  I slept with the trk off a little cold 30 degrees now, engine pounds like a hype pile driver. I hv to sleep with warmth but I can’t stand the engine running, that’s from Oct.  but back to tx. Truckers hate that st because they got lied to & screwed ovr in the oil fields. 400k homeless living in there vehicles because they had 3 jobs lined up & when they get there . There is no job there bidding on work. A old timer that ownes his co said I can’t even bid on work because I,m white. Tx a st that thinks we can hv Mexicans to do all r work for pennies on a dollar. . Illegals all Ovr the st in the oil fields. They pay them 4.00 an hr to build leases - tanks , pumps, etc.  not sure how this Tx guy got a job at the pipeline co I worked at in the 90,s.  He said I know a Mexican who can out work any man here. Strong statement of the 8k men they all work hard . It was a easy clean up job in Ms.  while we waited for permits to clear for hhg drilling. We hired him & flew him in. The Mexican was muscular but slow & lazy. He quit in 3 days he couldn’t do the easy work then the other tx guy was fired because he was the same. Like everyone says just a bunch of hot air in tx. 

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Titan1 wrote:
As much as Americas manufacturing is dependent on China…it really just means that China is dependent on America.  If American companies stopped doing business with China...

As much as Americas manufacturing is dependent on China…it really just means that China is dependent on America.  If American companies stopped doing business with China, China is toast.

American companies could transition to manufacturing in other countries…and go on.  But China couldn’t survive without America.  China needs America way more than America needs China.

In a lot of ways China sold out to America, while America is exploiting China for the cheap labor.  

Yes that is one angle….. bigger picture is just what everyone is starting to see. Workers who no longer are manufacturing or working in assembly plants. All of that money goes poof…. On top of the money the worker would spend locally. Now…. Sucking on the government nipple. China is holding out through this bad storm. China has repeatedly gone to smaller countries and bought land and tries to develop housing. This has failed because they are doing this in smaller countries which is compounding the market failure. If you look at the China economy they are at a 30% ytd loss. They aren’t allowing short sellers, sellers in general, or any exit of positions because they are literally teetering due to the economic decisions of expansion in smaller countries. Once they pass this storm though… China will be in every country heavily 

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2/6/2024 7:04am
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I was just kidding about Canada..

Upper Midwest people all joke in good nature about Canada.  Like the wild fires for 7 months that ruined everyone’s summer. We can borrow ya a few fire trks if you need to.  Or it’s time to attack Canada & teach them how to speak Texan- Spanish.  Haha . Quebec & Ontario was equal territory as Ny. Or Maine.  B4 America became a country.  My great grandma is Naitive American from Ny. Quebec area .  She hooked up with some wild bro land scout, fur trading, trapper multi purpose guy. IMG 8337.png?VersionId=uRzhniC1

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Nice Beaver !

 

Taiwan is a good answer !

The ultimate land grab

"  Check... check mate " !

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Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them. 

 
 
 
 

 

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As long as America is the biggest economy and/or military in town, it’s “too big to fail”…so I don’t worry about it failing much (there will...

As long as America is the biggest economy and/or military in town, it’s “too big to fail”…so I don’t worry about it failing much (there will be painful repercussions of our flawed monetary policy over the past 50 years or so…we will have to pay the piper some day, and it will not be fun…but I don’t see our country completely failing.)

China, Russia (if they can be considered first world countries) are the most likely to fail…China is far worse off economically than America…same with Russia…and therefore much much closer to failing than America.

scott_nz wrote:

Do you think with states becoming further apart in ideology, there could be a California or Texas that secedes from the union ? 

philG wrote:
This is closer than you think.  We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas...

This is closer than you think. 

We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas and Florida are my picks  California wont because it is still suckling off the tit. 

 

there is 0% chance that any State will secede. There is no single state, or even group of states, that has an economy that would support seceding, and not having their own military would be a bit of a hindrance. 

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Titan1 wrote:
As much as Americas manufacturing is dependent on China…it really just means that China is dependent on America.  If American companies stopped doing business with China...

As much as Americas manufacturing is dependent on China…it really just means that China is dependent on America.  If American companies stopped doing business with China, China is toast.

American companies could transition to manufacturing in other countries…and go on.  But China couldn’t survive without America.  China needs America way more than America needs China.

In a lot of ways China sold out to America, while America is exploiting China for the cheap labor.  

Xi is keeping the Chinese economy running with an iron fist.

Their real estate is in a bigger mess than our was back in 2007-2009 and it is going to get a lot worse.

They are facing the same problem as a lot of countries like us and Japan. An aging population that is expensive to carry with a declining or stagnant workforce.

China's might be even worse because of their one child policy and a young generation that wants options other than menial production work.

Eventually there will be a revolt, and it will make tianamen square look like a picnic.

 

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This is closer than you think.  We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas...

This is closer than you think. 

We are already seeing parts of states wanting to become other states( Eastern Oregon wanting to join Idaho) , Texas and Florida are my picks  California wont because it is still suckling off the tit. 

 

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308 wrote:
Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them.           

Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them. 

 
 
 
 

 

I agree, its a matter of can they get out "alive" or do they burden the people even further to bail themselves out? If they survive the economic pitfalls, they have strategically placed themselves everywhere with many allies.  While the Americans view it as cashing in and making a great payday, China is planning to dethrone the US of A

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308 wrote:
Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them.           

Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them. 

 
 
 
 

 

Zycki11 wrote:
I agree, its a matter of can they get out "alive" or do they burden the people even further to bail themselves out? If they survive...

I agree, its a matter of can they get out "alive" or do they burden the people even further to bail themselves out? If they survive the economic pitfalls, they have strategically placed themselves everywhere with many allies.  While the Americans view it as cashing in and making a great payday, China is planning to dethrone the US of A

I recognize what they WANT to do...but the problem is their form of government...their population will only take so much oppression before they revolt (so far they have been able to improve the quality of life among the Chinese people-easy to do when it was among the poorest nation not long ago...but they can't do it forever without putting a heavy burden on their population).  They've got an old population, a declining population, they are in a world of hurt economically at the moment...the odds are not in their favor of doing what they want to do, and if it looks like those odds start improving, here's to hoping who ever is in charge at the white house recognizes it and has a plan to stop it (it's clear that Biden has not intention of doing anything to slow them down when they are perhaps at their weakest...so hopefully the next guy will). 

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there is 0% chance that any State will secede. There is no single state, or even group of states, that has an economy that would support...

there is 0% chance that any State will secede. There is no single state, or even group of states, that has an economy that would support seceding, and not having their own military would be a bit of a hindrance. 

Exactly. There are fringe groups who make a lot of noise and the corporate media run with it and make it a 'thing' when it isn't.

Ask a blue-hair in favor of secession if they are willing to give up their Social Security, because that's a Federal program that they will no longer be eligible for, and watch them change their minds in a split second.

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2/6/2024 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 5:34pm

I agree.  They have all sold out to China.  

I never said the countries sold out to China, I said every western country is dependent on manufacturing from China. Western companies chased profit by lower...

I never said the countries sold out to China, I said every western country is dependent on manufacturing from China.

Western companies chased profit by lower cost manufacturing in China, provided a cheaper product to consumers and increasing profit, which pushed their share price up. Western consumers made the choice decades ago, when they started buying these cheaper products.

If you are looking for somebody to blame, blame consumers for wanting products for lower prices and blame companies chasing profits, by off shore manufacturing, to reduce costs. This is how capitalism works, are you going to blame capitalism?

No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would...

No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would be the most open and recent example for the US.  You wouldn't have what you described without trade agreements. Like most deals, someone wins, someone loses but there is always a cost to someone. What are they buying and who are they buying it from?  The current US administration fought tooth and nail the last Brazilian election to favor the candidate who would give China more influence in Brazil, which is the last South American country that China doesn't have a grip on.  Why?   The cost is on China but everyone else is going to pay the price.  Which is why I gave the response I did to the OP.  

Mitch McConnell's wife's business would be a good example if you want to keep it bipartisan.  Her whole fleet built and financed by China and all her cargo provided by China.  How does that happen? Maybe they are just lucky to be so smart.    

Your political hatred is blinding you to the truth.

Western companies, not just American companies, have moved manufacturing to China, to take advantage of lower manufacturing costs, enabling them to lower prices and increase profits. Western consumers have willingly brought these products at cheaper prices. This is how capitalism works, companies chase profits, consumers chase lower prices.

You are now unhappy with the result, and are looking to blame somebody, so you latch on to targets your echo chamber has targeted.

Check the label, have you ever brought anything made in China? If you have, you are the cause of your own unhappiness.

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The answers being posted are directly related to where people get their news and it appears more than a few still listen to main stream news and believe they are receiving objectively truthful information. I don't want to start a debate or argument but the good ol USA government and its unelected appointees make us a Nation that is no longer a nation to be trusted

 

A few have said Canada. I would say they have a better than 50% of being correct

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2/6/2024 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 5:53pm

Ozy I have no idea what's going in in Canada.. What's going in in Canada ? Besides every Tom , Dick and Harry around the world heading there as a refuge....

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308 wrote:
Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them.           

Zeihan basically claims China has been irreversibly fucked for about a decade and there's no going back for them. 

 
 
 
 

 

Those were very interesting, thank you for posting. Very much worth watching.

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I never said the countries sold out to China, I said every western country is dependent on manufacturing from China. Western companies chased profit by lower...

I never said the countries sold out to China, I said every western country is dependent on manufacturing from China.

Western companies chased profit by lower cost manufacturing in China, provided a cheaper product to consumers and increasing profit, which pushed their share price up. Western consumers made the choice decades ago, when they started buying these cheaper products.

If you are looking for somebody to blame, blame consumers for wanting products for lower prices and blame companies chasing profits, by off shore manufacturing, to reduce costs. This is how capitalism works, are you going to blame capitalism?

No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would...

No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would be the most open and recent example for the US.  You wouldn't have what you described without trade agreements. Like most deals, someone wins, someone loses but there is always a cost to someone. What are they buying and who are they buying it from?  The current US administration fought tooth and nail the last Brazilian election to favor the candidate who would give China more influence in Brazil, which is the last South American country that China doesn't have a grip on.  Why?   The cost is on China but everyone else is going to pay the price.  Which is why I gave the response I did to the OP.  

Mitch McConnell's wife's business would be a good example if you want to keep it bipartisan.  Her whole fleet built and financed by China and all her cargo provided by China.  How does that happen? Maybe they are just lucky to be so smart.    

Your political hatred is blinding you to the truth. Western companies, not just American companies, have moved manufacturing to China, to take advantage of lower manufacturing...

Your political hatred is blinding you to the truth.

Western companies, not just American companies, have moved manufacturing to China, to take advantage of lower manufacturing costs, enabling them to lower prices and increase profits. Western consumers have willingly brought these products at cheaper prices. This is how capitalism works, companies chase profits, consumers chase lower prices.

You are now unhappy with the result, and are looking to blame somebody, so you latch on to targets your echo chamber has targeted.

Check the label, have you ever brought anything made in China? If you have, you are the cause of your own unhappiness.

Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some rambutan from a tree 10 foot away from me.  I'm going deep sea fishing in the Indian Ocean in about an hour.  I'm traveling to a different city in the morning to have Chinese New Year dinner with family.  I have a special red Batik shirt just for the occasion. 

Political bias?  Was you looking into a mirror when you typed all that?  I don't know why you can't comprehend that we are talking about 2 different things but you keep pushing on about consumer spending.  Does your mind not let you process something further?  You start labeling and projecting unhappiness?  

You should get out of your bubble.  Maybe travel a little yourself and see what really goes on in the world.  Maybe then you'd have a better grasp of my comment.  Or you can let XI tell them to tell you what to think.   

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Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some...

Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some rambutan from a tree 10 foot away from me.  I'm going deep sea fishing in the Indian Ocean in about an hour.  I'm traveling to a different city in the morning to have Chinese New Year dinner with family.  I have a special red Batik shirt just for the occasion. 

Political bias?  Was you looking into a mirror when you typed all that?  I don't know why you can't comprehend that we are talking about 2 different things but you keep pushing on about consumer spending.  Does your mind not let you process something further?  You start labeling and projecting unhappiness?  

You should get out of your bubble.  Maybe travel a little yourself and see what really goes on in the world.  Maybe then you'd have a better grasp of my comment.  Or you can let XI tell them to tell you what to think.   

the first part of your post eerily reminds me of a former litigious,  late  member here who hung out with wrestlers, went on bike rides,  banged hot chick's, and sold real estate.

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Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some...

Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some rambutan from a tree 10 foot away from me.  I'm going deep sea fishing in the Indian Ocean in about an hour.  I'm traveling to a different city in the morning to have Chinese New Year dinner with family.  I have a special red Batik shirt just for the occasion. 

Political bias?  Was you looking into a mirror when you typed all that?  I don't know why you can't comprehend that we are talking about 2 different things but you keep pushing on about consumer spending.  Does your mind not let you process something further?  You start labeling and projecting unhappiness?  

You should get out of your bubble.  Maybe travel a little yourself and see what really goes on in the world.  Maybe then you'd have a better grasp of my comment.  Or you can let XI tell them to tell you what to think.   

JustMX wrote:
the first part of your post eerily reminds me of a former litigious,  late  member here who hung out with wrestlers, went on bike rides,  banged...

the first part of your post eerily reminds me of a former litigious,  late  member here who hung out with wrestlers, went on bike rides,  banged hot chick's, and sold real estate.

Don’t forget the tanning booth …gotta make a stop there …

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No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would...

No, I'm saying they sold out, bought and paid for by China.  Which was my first statement that wasn't quoted above. The Gavin Newsom tour would be the most open and recent example for the US.  You wouldn't have what you described without trade agreements. Like most deals, someone wins, someone loses but there is always a cost to someone. What are they buying and who are they buying it from?  The current US administration fought tooth and nail the last Brazilian election to favor the candidate who would give China more influence in Brazil, which is the last South American country that China doesn't have a grip on.  Why?   The cost is on China but everyone else is going to pay the price.  Which is why I gave the response I did to the OP.  

Mitch McConnell's wife's business would be a good example if you want to keep it bipartisan.  Her whole fleet built and financed by China and all her cargo provided by China.  How does that happen? Maybe they are just lucky to be so smart.    

Your political hatred is blinding you to the truth. Western companies, not just American companies, have moved manufacturing to China, to take advantage of lower manufacturing...

Your political hatred is blinding you to the truth.

Western companies, not just American companies, have moved manufacturing to China, to take advantage of lower manufacturing costs, enabling them to lower prices and increase profits. Western consumers have willingly brought these products at cheaper prices. This is how capitalism works, companies chase profits, consumers chase lower prices.

You are now unhappy with the result, and are looking to blame somebody, so you latch on to targets your echo chamber has targeted.

Check the label, have you ever brought anything made in China? If you have, you are the cause of your own unhappiness.

Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some...

Who said I was unhappy?  I'm sitting by a pool in Indonesia, eating banana filled crapes, watermelon juice, fried rice and eggs.  I just picked some rambutan from a tree 10 foot away from me.  I'm going deep sea fishing in the Indian Ocean in about an hour.  I'm traveling to a different city in the morning to have Chinese New Year dinner with family.  I have a special red Batik shirt just for the occasion. 

Political bias?  Was you looking into a mirror when you typed all that?  I don't know why you can't comprehend that we are talking about 2 different things but you keep pushing on about consumer spending.  Does your mind not let you process something further?  You start labeling and projecting unhappiness?  

You should get out of your bubble.  Maybe travel a little yourself and see what really goes on in the world.  Maybe then you'd have a better grasp of my comment.  Or you can let XI tell them to tell you what to think.   

So you hate capitalism!

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