The homeless problem is about to get way worse.

Where would you like them to go?

The sidewalk in front of your house.

Apologies for thinking you might have thought about it. 

Short term, keep them moving. Never let a homeless person sleep in the same place 2 days in a row. When you kick a homeless person out of a homeless camp. Whatever they can't haul off, CLEAN IT UP, THROW IT AWAY! I am sick of of seeing old homeless camps that the city doesn't clean up. It promotes more homeless camps. I believe in the broken window theory.

When they make camps, they draw in more inhabitants and the more of them they have in their community, the more they feel comfortable and will not change their behavior. They get stuck deeper in shared misery.

Stiffen drug laws(I'm not talking pot). I have no problem with my tax dollars going to build more prisons. In prison give them drug treatment/counseling.

Figure out where the drugs are coming from and stop it. The border, China, Mexico, drug houses.

Provide fenced off areas where they can camp. Provide porta potties and a source for clean cold water.  Have a dropoff area where people can donate food, clothing whatever. The ones that refuse the accommodations are open season to be harassed and chased off of public property by police.

You may want to nitpick this remedy but have an alternative ready.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/09/12/why-california-keeps-making-homelessness-worse/?sh=41ed81535a61

Shellenberger has covered this for years. California’s so-called “Liberal Progressive” approach has been the same as all the rest of their “just keep throwing money at it” solutions like, Sanctuary Cities, Green Energy…etc. 

It’s been an EPIC FAILURE. 

His book, San Fransicko, covers the problem and the solutions. Solutions. As in plural. There will be those that want help and enter programs and those who won’t. Those that won’t cooperate? One of several forms of incarceration based on their level of resistance to applicable laws and rehab programs. 

About Shellenberger, he comes from waaaaay over there on the left. He exited that insanity when he realized how insane their energy and pseudo-humanist policies were. The lack of actual science and real thoughtfulness in their politics has made him an independent thinker. He’s one of the contributors to The Twitter Files along with other well established journalists like Matt Taibbi. 

Believe it or not, this isn’t new. I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time this has gone thru the 9th. It’ll have to go to SCOTUS, eventually, in order to get a legitimate ruling.  

I dont understand how this could be considered cruel and unusual. If shelters did not exist, then absolutely, it would be cruel. There are programs to provide food and shelter, if they choose not to utilize those programs, then they are loitering, and should be removed.

Unless this is a new case, they ruled this several years ago. Essentially, they ruled sleep was a basic human right and that since homeless (by definition) have nowhere to sleep, public property was the next best alternative. The condition to remove them was that there had to be shelter available that they were refusing to use. Further, all “their” property had to be safeguarded or the agency removing it was liable. 
 

The mess this creates is epic. Further, anyone who’s dealt with the homeless knows that their “belongings” are often comprised of a large volume of bags, tents, backpacks, cutlery, knives, needles, and random “stuff.” Much of it is wet and/or moldy. This presents space and health issues for an agency having to safeguard this stuff, especially for multiple people. 
 

I don’t have a solution, unfortunately. What I can say is:

-continuing to throw large amounts of taxpayer dollars at the problem appears to be enabling, not helping 

-many of those still homeless “want” to be homeless. They’d prefer not to be, but choose homelessness over any help that comes with responsibility and/or rules they have to live up to. They want the freedom and game the system to a T. I’ve spoken to homeless people who had their entire week mapped out by where the free stuff (food, shower, laundry, etc) was.
 

-many governments seem to have the misconception that if their city/county/etc has “X” population of homeless, that “fixing X people equates to solving their homeless problems. It doesn’t. All it does is solve other neighboring jurisdictions’ homeless problems by attracting them to said jurisdiction with the handouts, so they now have X+Y homeless.

-There is an unfortunate trend of people thinking any new idea is “the” all-purpose solution. There isn’t a magic solution. Like it or not, you can only fix those who want help because they’ve hit their bottom and are motivated. Most of those left either aren’t ready or never will be. And in the end, some people just need to go to jail. Jail isn’t a solution in and of itself for the entire problem, but it is a necessity with some, particularly if they are doing things to derail those who are actually ready and trying to get better.

-We also need to stop the hypocrisy. Many of those chanting the loudest to treat the homeless humanely and provide help change their tune immediately if they or their families are exposed to those same homeless people. They can’t call 911 fast enough, demanding that the person be removed from their area.

-Don’t even get me started on the 9th Circuit…

Just an FYI....not all homeless are derelict drug addicts and want to be on the street.    Some are families that have lost jobs and find themselves on the street.    Whether you believe it or not, a huge number of people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck and a very short trip to homelessness.

Someone very near and dear to me works for Father Joes Villages here in San Diego and they bring people in who want help, train them in new vocations and help them find new jobs.  They have STICT policies on using drugs...meaning you're out if you don't stay clean.        Another person close to me was on the streets as a young adult...Father Joes Villages is the reason he got off the street and turned his life around.   

All that said, I'm not a fan of throwing money at the problem when all it's doing is creating more people who live of the taxpayer tit. 

Now the government is promoting "safe drug" use.     WTF. 

I can see a day when the government starts mandating taking in homeless and immigrants to your private residence.   That's how crazy this world has become. 

We’re actually sharing useful info and ideas. 

Nice

The Big Picture Solution HAS to include returning these people back into society and helping them make themselves whole again. 

There is not a homeless problem, it's a politician problem.  

Plenty of solutions to get people off the streets, but that doesn't make sense for the politicians.

Solved problems don't bring out the vote.

Or keep the money rolling in for them and theor buddies.

What's your solution ?  God knows we need one. They built an area right down the street near my house in our town. They had porta potties, food, a place to get cleaned up. They had to be behind the gates by ten and no drugs. The put it there because they couldn't remove them out of the parks and off the beaches until they built a place for them. Guess what, hardly any were interested, I guess no drugs was a deal breaker. They were able to remove them off the beaches and parks after that was put in though so it was a win, just not for the ones who were on drugs.  How about send them to slab city ? If they don't want to help themselves what can anyone really do ?    

I see tons of homeless sleeping on the sidewalks. Around them is always a junkpile of blankets, food containers, garbage and other crap the homeless shelters drop off for them over the day/nite.  During the day they hustle money and Hang around sipping their ripple all day. 
Maybe if the bleeding hearts would stop feeding and dropping off blankets their asses would get a little motivated... its been single digit temps here.

Unless they are truly handicapped...(laziness is not a handicap)..STOP enabling them with Free everything....Make it really uncomfortable and they will find another avenue.....I Feel we should all take care of the truly sick and tortured, people that are in obvious agony and Give them a place to exist safely.....We seem to have plenty of borrowed money for everything but our own fucking citizens.....you know, the ones paying for all this shit....Just my opinion....

I don’t have one and I think people who complain about it would come up similarly empty handed if they tried to think of a real solution. I live in an area with a lot of homeless people and you’re right that a lot of them seem content to keep living that way, but it’s a lot more complicated than that. In order to send them anywhere, we have to pay to build it, pay for supplies, pay for upkeep, etc, and people don’t want to pay for it. I think they want them all to just die. 

How many formerly homeless do you currently have living at your house?

Or how many have you paid for their hotels to get them off the street?

If the answer is "none" then you are among the "people" who "don't want to pay for it" and "want them to just die".

Ironic how it is easy to complain about someone else not fixing the problem- with someone else's money.

As long as it isn't at your house, or your money being spent.

Homelessness is a symptom of broken families.  

Homelessness is a symptom of drug addiction.  

Homelessness is a symptom of mental illness.

Homelessness is a symptom….

Throwing money at the symptom won’t solve the problem.  Politicians are giving lip service to this and have no intention of fixing it.  

I was on my way to Home depot one morning about a week ago. It was cold for SoCal. 38. A homeless guy was walking down the middle of the street shivering. He had on a tshirt and what looked like pajamas bottoms. I turned around and caught up with him and tried to give him my sweatshirt. He turned away and covered his face with his arms and looked like he was trying to hide. I pulled closer and held out the sweatshirt and he ran the other way. What do you do with somebody like that?

All they need to do is say they are immigrants just in from the south.

Then they get a phone a credit card and a hotel room.                     https://youtu.be/zpX7E0n3Vn8?si=Vm2fptFW9Ceh925i

Or maybe stop sending billions to lost causes and take care of americans.

Amazing how there is always billions for blowing shit up but sorry mr down on your luck we just can't afford that big mac.

Okay boomer. 

That’s kind of dramatic but how about this, where’s their family ? Friends ? Acquaintances? I don’t want a group of people “To just die” but I don’t see how their problems are somehow my financial responsibility ? Sorry but fuck that. How about vasectomies for violent crimes ? How about if some crackhead bitch shows up preggers with crack baby number 3 they fix the bitch while they’re delivering her kid on our dime ?  How about close the border and have our military enforce it like every other country on the whole planet ? How about some preventative maintenance? 
Yeah I know, I’m a cold hearted monster.  But yet I’ll be homeless with my kid if I exhaust every resource I have trying to help them. People need to stop fucking and popping out kids they have no intention of nurturing or raising to be productive caring humanoids. I get that there’s plenty of good people who just had bad breaks, what do they say were all 2 or 3 bad breaks away from being homeless ?  But the majority of them had parents or a caretaker or whoever was responsible for them give up on them at some point, for whatever reason. And now they’re our financial burden. Somehow we need to get back to family values and not having kids they have no way to support. How do we get there I don’t know. As far as your they just want them to die comment save the holier than tho comments unless your working in a homeless shelter, volunteering somewhere or bringing them into your home.  What have you done to help a homeless person this week ? 
 

Your reply is “Ok boomer” ? Hahaha perfect 

As a thought exorcise I will look at a problem and think what would my observation of this situation be 20 years from now. This usually helps clarify the issue and helps me identify obvious solutions.

Homelessness 

Stop making the problem worse -softening laws on drugs and petty theft only create more drug abusers. Long term meth and fentanyl use creates severe mental issues and puts a tremendous long term strain on our society.

Contain- at some point you have to protect these poor souls from themselves. Letting them live day to day moment by miserable moment at the cost of public safety is not sustainable. They have to either willingly participate in getting clean or be locked up. 

Humane incarceration- prison life needs to be work based. Rotting away in a cell has no positive mental potential. We are hunter gatherers and need to keep moving forward. 

Stop the cycle. we need to help people raise their kids. Sending your kid to school with no respect for instruction or authority will keep the school to prison pipeline flowing and insures a good customer base for drug dealers. DA's and law enforcement. This is where the "cool kids" in the media need to step up and make it cool to raise your kids to be respectful and hard working so they can lead productive and positive lives. At this point the media owes us one!