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1/11/2024 7:37pm

Michael participated in the the thread saying "Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked".

I appreciate that.

I appreciate his responses too, but in this case it doesn't sound like he reached out for this incident.  It's the age old problem of the...

I appreciate his responses too, but in this case it doesn't sound like he reached out for this incident.  It's the age old problem of the "bro media".  Not ML's fault or anyone else because if they push too hard, nobody will talk to them.  I am not sure what the fix is, but it sure isn't Cooksey or going to that level, but something more investigative than we currently have.  Teams should not hide from interviews either and that's much more of an issue than media not asking IMO 

truck wrote:
The fix is hire journalists!! The dilemma of gathering info while not pissing off sources is not unique to moto. A good journalist walks that line...

The fix is hire journalists!! The dilemma of gathering info while not pissing off sources is not unique to moto. A good journalist walks that line well and it can result in a great product and a relationship that benefits everyone. 

Wasn't MXA banned from Supercross in the 1980s for crossing that line?

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I appreciate his responses too, but in this case it doesn't sound like he reached out for this incident.  It's the age old problem of the...

I appreciate his responses too, but in this case it doesn't sound like he reached out for this incident.  It's the age old problem of the "bro media".  Not ML's fault or anyone else because if they push too hard, nobody will talk to them.  I am not sure what the fix is, but it sure isn't Cooksey or going to that level, but something more investigative than we currently have.  Teams should not hide from interviews either and that's much more of an issue than media not asking IMO 

truck wrote:
The fix is hire journalists!! The dilemma of gathering info while not pissing off sources is not unique to moto. A good journalist walks that line...

The fix is hire journalists!! The dilemma of gathering info while not pissing off sources is not unique to moto. A good journalist walks that line well and it can result in a great product and a relationship that benefits everyone. 

Wasn't MXA banned from Supercross in the 1980s for crossing that line?

No idea, but can you imagine how silly that would look now? How is that going to be received by everyone if that happened now? I'm not sure the fear is justified anymore, especially with Feld and peacock being so involved. They want eyes on the sport and aren't going to blacklist an outlet because one team or rider got their feelings hurt. There are guys that refuse to talk to matthes, he still gets a credential when he wants one and is doing fine. 

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1/11/2024 8:15pm

@ML512 - can you chime in? Genuinely curious why questions like this aren't ask of the characters involved.

ML512 wrote:
Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no...

Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no say or opinion in it.

truck wrote:
This is just lazy, sorry..... not bothering to ask and just assuming you know what someone is going to say is not journalism. Even if you're...

This is just lazy, sorry..... not bothering to ask and just assuming you know what someone is going to say is not journalism. Even if you're right, it's not journalism. If they've given you that answer 100 times, you make them give it to you for the 101st time. Maybe eventually they talk. You ask follow up questions, like AMA when would you get involved or have an opinion if this example didn't interest you? You develop sources that can give you insight into the discussions within the AMA or Feld or the other teams. You write the story saying you reached out and they didn't respond, said no comment, whatever..... this is freshman year student newspaper basic stuff. Moto media desperately needs to hire some people with journalism degrees. 

100% . Now....will anyone actually address this? 

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1/11/2024 8:33pm

I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince. 

A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for moral outrage.

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Magoofan wrote:
Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support...

Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support over this.

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I like how Vince just ignores all the social media BS and doesn't get involved in the word-slappy battles....he just goes about the business of racing.  

I humbly beg your pardon sir, but Vince going about "the business of racing"  lasted half a lap into the main. His his douche bag move on Wilson is hardly the way to run a good business. Now he is sidelined and his business of racing will be commenced on the sofa in front of his TV. Beautiful aint it?

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1/11/2024 8:44pm

Another thing preventing this sport from taking another step forward is the bush league “good ol’ boys” club that lets the teams control what is said and reported on.  The teams need the media far more than the media needs the teams…time they start acting like it.

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I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince.  A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for...

I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince. 

A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for moral outrage.

He stated earlier all his reasons that he isn't even asking the questions though..... go read it all again.....

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1/11/2024 8:56pm

What more can the media do about Vince? WE ALL KNOW HE'S AN ASS. We are not going to learn anything new.

You guys just want to be entertained by the confrontation between vince and the SX media.

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1/11/2024 9:06pm
What more can the media do about Vince? WE ALL KNOW HE'S AN ASS. We are not going to learn anything new. You guys just want...

What more can the media do about Vince? WE ALL KNOW HE'S AN ASS. We are not going to learn anything new.

You guys just want to be entertained by the confrontation between vince and the SX media.

Every sport needs a villain, Barcia has toned it down, so Vince is the man!

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1/11/2024 9:11pm

Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport.

Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown off the track.

Its Dean Wilson, Joey Savatgy, Logan Karnow, Jason Thomas, Weston Peick, Justin Brayton...job to put pressure on Dave Prater to get the menace of Vince out of SX.

They are the ones affected by Vinces actions...not THE MEDIA. They should just report the news.

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1/11/2024 9:15pm
Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport. Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on...

Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport.

Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown off the track.

Its Dean Wilson, Joey Savatgy, Logan Karnow, Jason Thomas, Weston Peick, Justin Brayton...job to put pressure on Dave Prater to get the menace of Vince out of SX.

They are the ones affected by Vinces actions...not THE MEDIA. They should just report the news.

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA could do something, but for what?  His pass on Dean was greasy, that's all.  Ban him for that?

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1/11/2024 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 9:32pm
Magoofan wrote:
Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support...

Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support over this.

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I like how Vince just ignores all the social media BS and doesn't get involved in the word-slappy battles....he just goes about the business of racing.  

Boomslang wrote:
I humbly beg your pardon sir, but Vince going about "the business of racing"  lasted half a lap into the main. His his douche bag move...

I humbly beg your pardon sir, but Vince going about "the business of racing"  lasted half a lap into the main. His his douche bag move on Wilson is hardly the way to run a good business. Now he is sidelined and his business of racing will be commenced on the sofa in front of his TV. Beautiful aint it?

Boom.  With much respect.    You and I agree on a good number of things and disagree on some.   This one falls in the latter. Wink

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1/11/2024 9:22pm
ML512 wrote:
Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no...

Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no say or opinion in it.

So it's a great big nothing burger to the AMA and Feld....clearly they are not listening to all the experts on Vital.... Silly

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1/11/2024 9:23pm
Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA...

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA could do something, but for what?  His pass on Dean was greasy, that's all.  Ban him for that?

Yes Virginia, the cancel culture disease has reached MX/SX.

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1/11/2024 9:24pm
Magoofan wrote:
Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support...

Even DV spoke the truth.     To which the vast majority of people who usually agree with his professional views... he got little to no support over this.

image-20240111104019-1

 

I like how Vince just ignores all the social media BS and doesn't get involved in the word-slappy battles....he just goes about the business of racing.  

Boomslang wrote:
I humbly beg your pardon sir, but Vince going about "the business of racing"  lasted half a lap into the main. His his douche bag move...

I humbly beg your pardon sir, but Vince going about "the business of racing"  lasted half a lap into the main. His his douche bag move on Wilson is hardly the way to run a good business. Now he is sidelined and his business of racing will be commenced on the sofa in front of his TV. Beautiful aint it?

Magoofan wrote:

Boom.  With much respect.    You and I agree on a good number of things and disagree on some.   This one falls in the latter. Wink

Nothing personal Magoo, our opinions have differed on this topic but let's move on.

San Fran next and I can't wait. Next week we will have a whole bunch of new shit to chew on. 

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1/11/2024 9:33pm
Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport. Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on...

Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport.

Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown off the track.

Its Dean Wilson, Joey Savatgy, Logan Karnow, Jason Thomas, Weston Peick, Justin Brayton...job to put pressure on Dave Prater to get the menace of Vince out of SX.

They are the ones affected by Vinces actions...not THE MEDIA. They should just report the news.

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA...

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA could do something, but for what?  His pass on Dean was greasy, that's all.  Ban him for that?

If the riders and team managers think Vince's body of work constitutes  a safety hazard they should put pressure on the guy/organization who makes money off this.... Prater/Feld.

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1/11/2024 9:39pm
Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport. Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on...

Its Lars Lindstroms job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown out of our sport.

Its Yareeve Konskys job to put pressure on DAVE PRATER to get this clown off the track.

Its Dean Wilson, Joey Savatgy, Logan Karnow, Jason Thomas, Weston Peick, Justin Brayton...job to put pressure on Dave Prater to get the menace of Vince out of SX.

They are the ones affected by Vinces actions...not THE MEDIA. They should just report the news.

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA...

Dave Prater is not the governing body, he is the promoter.  The reality is Vince helps Feld overall with more chaos and more highlights.  The AMA could do something, but for what?  His pass on Dean was greasy, that's all.  Ban him for that?

If the riders and team managers think Vince's body of work constitutes  a safety hazard they should put pressure on the guy/organization who makes money off...

If the riders and team managers think Vince's body of work constitutes  a safety hazard they should put pressure on the guy/organization who makes money off this.... Prater/Feld.

The AMA banned the Stark Varg, because it's silence was a safety hazard!

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Takeouts were well established part of SX before the first one I attended in 1978 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. Friese adds to the spectacle of...

Takeouts were well established part of SX before the first one I attended in 1978 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. Friese adds to the spectacle of racing dirt bikes during the winter in a stadium.  The sport needs more riders like Friese and the inevitable feuds like the new one with Wilson.

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No.

Try harder.  There are endless proofs of takeouts in SX like this recent one on Instagram.  That’s Reed punting McGrath in case you’re new to the sport  

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ML512 wrote:
Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no...

Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no say or opinion in it.

Magoofan wrote:
So it's a great big nothing burger to the AMA and Feld....clearly they are not listening to all the experts on Vital.... 

So it's a great big nothing burger to the AMA and Feld....clearly they are not listening to all the experts on Vital.... Silly

then they better not put Anderson on probation if they're going to let this shit fly. And if our moto-media is too bro-tastic to even ask questions, AND the fans strangely want to defend the moto-media, then we get what we paid for: NOTHING. Enjoy whining about VF but don't expect anything to come of it because WE collectively have allowed it via the laziness of the bro-media.

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Someone should just put him on the ground every time he's on the track. What are they gonna do? fine them? Probation? lol

Don't give the guy a chance to breathe out there if the governing body of SX is blind to it. 

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Nighttrain wrote:
Takeouts were well established part of SX before the first one I attended in 1978 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. Friese adds to the spectacle of...

Takeouts were well established part of SX before the first one I attended in 1978 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. Friese adds to the spectacle of racing dirt bikes during the winter in a stadium.  The sport needs more riders like Friese and the inevitable feuds like the new one with Wilson.

EvelMX11 wrote:

No.

Nighttrain wrote:
Try harder.  There are endless proofs of takeouts in SX like this recent one on Instagram.  That’s Reed punting McGrath in case you’re new to the...

Try harder.  There are endless proofs of takeouts in SX like this recent one on Instagram.  That’s Reed punting McGrath in case you’re new to the sport  

IMG 0068

cool, now post 78 more photos of the same rider taking people out.

 

You are correct, take-outs are nothing new, but they're usually done for a purpose, like winning a race. Not so the rider can claim 10th place on the first lap of the first main of the year.

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And then give me the other examples of guys who put a cash bounty out on guys they were fighting for a championship against. 

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1/12/2024 7:42am
I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince.  A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for...

I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince. 

A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for moral outrage.

truck wrote:

He stated earlier all his reasons that he isn't even asking the questions though..... go read it all again.....

"A journalist's job is to ASK questions...."

I agree. Did you read where ML is refusing to ask questions? It's not about "waging war" against anyone - it's about DOING A JOURNALIST'S JOB, which frustratingly doesn't happen much in moto-media unless it's hard hitting questions like "How was your weekend?" or "How is your bike working?"

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1/12/2024 8:58am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2024 8:59am

Each round, the top riders should take him out, push him over a berm in rotations. Maybe, by rotating they could avoid some repercussions. 

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you can tell that he rides like a cunt because of the way that he does

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1/12/2024 11:58am

Bag bars and race . hope he takes out more riders.

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Bag bars and race . hope he takes out more riders.

going to be hard to do from his couch

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I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince.  A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for...

I dont think its Michaels job to wage a campaign against Vince. 

A journalists job is to ask the questions, not to be a leader for moral outrage.

truck wrote:

He stated earlier all his reasons that he isn't even asking the questions though..... go read it all again.....

"A journalist's job is to ASK questions...." I agree. Did you read where ML is refusing to ask questions? It's not about "waging war" against anyone...

"A journalist's job is to ASK questions...."

I agree. Did you read where ML is refusing to ask questions? It's not about "waging war" against anyone - it's about DOING A JOURNALIST'S JOB, which frustratingly doesn't happen much in moto-media unless it's hard hitting questions like "How was your weekend?" or "How is your bike working?"

Don’t forget to compliment the rider immediately after your hard hitting questions. Gotta remind the rider that you’re not just a journalist, you’re their friend. 🫠

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Try harder.  There are endless proofs of takeouts in SX like this recent one on Instagram.  That’s Reed punting McGrath in case you’re new to the...

Try harder.  There are endless proofs of takeouts in SX like this recent one on Instagram.  That’s Reed punting McGrath in case you’re new to the sport  

IMG 0068

Friese takes more people out in a weekend than Reed did in his whole career.

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