The 2024 Presidential Campaign has officially started..

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Biden might have a chance against a scoop of ice cream.

 

Even then it could go either way.

 

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Can you fuckin’ imagine Sleepy Joe in a debate with ANYONE??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This is the issue, and my biggest problem with politics, the supposed leader of the worlds most dominant country cant, and wont debate?  The man making big decisions, should be sharp as a tack, ready with answers at any time. We're all very aware , that its not the case. He's coached, and propped up or he won't speak, as it seems he's a bumbling half senile old man.

 

Maybe its a pipe dream, I'd like a Canadian world leader, an American world leader to actually want wants best for their country first, and go from there. The polish leaders first concern when making policy, is the polish people.  That's refreshing.  We, the taxpayer finance the whole damn thing,  that seems to be constantly lost in translation.

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You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the...

You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the way it goes. That’s democracy. Just accept it and move to the next one.

But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic. 

If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be a Democrat. 

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You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the...

You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the way it goes. That’s democracy. Just accept it and move to the next one.

philG wrote:
But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic.  If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be...

But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic. 

If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be a Democrat. 

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

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I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

Tell us you blindly follow the liberal agenda without telling us….

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I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

LungButter wrote:

Tell us you blindly follow the liberal agenda without telling us….

If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

But it isnt a Democracy, its a Constitution Republic.

Do keep up

Its funny how Trump only won in 2016 , because he cheated. 

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LungButter wrote:

Can you fuckin’ imagine Sleepy Joe in a debate with ANYONE??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Flatliner wrote:
This is the issue, and my biggest problem with politics, the supposed leader of the worlds most dominant country cant, and wont debate?  The man making...

This is the issue, and my biggest problem with politics, the supposed leader of the worlds most dominant country cant, and wont debate?  The man making big decisions, should be sharp as a tack, ready with answers at any time. We're all very aware , that its not the case. He's coached, and propped up or he won't speak, as it seems he's a bumbling half senile old man.

 

Maybe its a pipe dream, I'd like a Canadian world leader, an American world leader to actually want wants best for their country first, and go from there. The polish leaders first concern when making policy, is the polish people.  That's refreshing.  We, the taxpayer finance the whole damn thing,  that seems to be constantly lost in translation.

Are you complaining about Trump not being willing to participate in the GOP debates this election cycle?  I’m not sure, but it sort of sounds like it……

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out?

 

Let that sink in before you respond 

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LungButter wrote:

Can you fuckin’ imagine Sleepy Joe in a debate with ANYONE??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Flatliner wrote:
This is the issue, and my biggest problem with politics, the supposed leader of the worlds most dominant country cant, and wont debate?  The man making...

This is the issue, and my biggest problem with politics, the supposed leader of the worlds most dominant country cant, and wont debate?  The man making big decisions, should be sharp as a tack, ready with answers at any time. We're all very aware , that its not the case. He's coached, and propped up or he won't speak, as it seems he's a bumbling half senile old man.

 

Maybe its a pipe dream, I'd like a Canadian world leader, an American world leader to actually want wants best for their country first, and go from there. The polish leaders first concern when making policy, is the polish people.  That's refreshing.  We, the taxpayer finance the whole damn thing,  that seems to be constantly lost in translation.

APLMAN99 wrote:
Are you complaining about Trump not being willing to participate in the GOP debates this election cycle?  I’m not sure, but it sort of sounds like...

Are you complaining about Trump not being willing to participate in the GOP debates this election cycle?  I’m not sure, but it sort of sounds like it……

No, speaking generally. Trump seems unbalanced as well, but as least he's not a wet noodle.... I've often said its sad both him and biden are the best either camp can come up with.

 

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

You’re so smart, it’s scary. 

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

LOOnatic wrote:
Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out...

Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out?

 

Let that sink in before you respond 

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that they did not go nearly as far or make it as big of an issue as some Republicans have. Clinton gave a concession speech that next day when the results were official and encouraged people to give Trump a chance to lead. She didn’t call a rally at the exact date, time, and location that his election win was being certified and tell her people to march on the Capitol. There’s levels to this of course, and anyone believing otherwise would be naive or intentionally ignoring the facts.

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

LOOnatic wrote:
Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out...

Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out?

 

Let that sink in before you respond 

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that...

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that they did not go nearly as far or make it as big of an issue as some Republicans have. Clinton gave a concession speech that next day when the results were official and encouraged people to give Trump a chance to lead. She didn’t call a rally at the exact date, time, and location that his election win was being certified and tell her people to march on the Capitol. There’s levels to this of course, and anyone believing otherwise would be naive or intentionally ignoring the facts.

All the while having her minions produce fake documents? Can't have it both ways mate. 

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is it just me, or does anyone else think that the USA and the world would be a better place if it was any different 2...

is it just me, or does anyone else think that the USA and the world would be a better place if it was any different 2 people than Trump and Biden on the ballot for each major party, 

Well, which presidents in the recent past have no new wars during their tenure? So you'd be more happy with someone else and new wars?

TM

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And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that...

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that they did not go nearly as far or make it as big of an issue as some Republicans have. Clinton gave a concession speech that next day when the results were official and encouraged people to give Trump a chance to lead. She didn’t call a rally at the exact date, time, and location that his election win was being certified and tell her people to march on the Capitol. There’s levels to this of course, and anyone believing otherwise would be naive or intentionally ignoring the facts.

Ok great but they both still maintain the "stoleness" so they really aren't conceding squat .

 

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You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the...

You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the way it goes. That’s democracy. Just accept it and move to the next one.

philG wrote:
But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic.  If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be...

But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic. 

If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be a Democrat. 

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed out while speed-dialing my therapist. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed...

I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed out while speed-dialing my therapist. 

Well Manny, I hope that you made it to your safe space before it got too unbearable for ya.  😂

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed...

I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed out while speed-dialing my therapist. 

olds cool wrote:

Well Manny, I hope that you made it to your safe space before it got too unbearable for ya.  😂

I’m just so angry & I’m out of glitter! 

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TeamGreen wrote:
I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed...

I’m too angry to post. It was a rough day. Someone mis-gendered me at work; so, I threw glitter in her-their-they big fat face and stormed out while speed-dialing my therapist. 

olds cool wrote:

Well Manny, I hope that you made it to your safe space before it got too unbearable for ya.  😂

TeamGreen wrote:

I’m just so angry & I’m out of glitter! 

Take a deep breath, think happy thoughts, and try to calm yourself. 

Pull yourself together and head to WalMart and buy yourself some more glitter. 

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You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the...

You guys really think anytime your candidate loses it’s not a free and fair election huh? Wild. Sometimes your person wins. Sometimes they lose. That’s the way it goes. That’s democracy. Just accept it and move to the next one.

philG wrote:
But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic.  If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be...

But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic. 

If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be a Democrat. 

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

philG saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away across the Atlantic Ocean. Some Americans couldn't see it happening right in front of them.

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philG wrote:
But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic.  If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be...

But it isnt a democracy, its a Constitutional Republic. 

If you havent realised that the last 2 elections were as corrupt as fuck, you must be a Democrat. 

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

SCR wrote:

philG saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away across the Atlantic Ocean. Some Americans couldn't see it happening right in front of them.

The fact you guys still believe this crap is insane. In-fucking-sane.

Phil 'saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away' because firstly he's psychologically wired to jump head first into every conspiracy theory he can find, and secondly he listens to the same phoney idiots peddling misinformation that you guys do.

Ken Block Op-Ed USA Today

TRUMP PAID ME TO FIND VOTER FRAUD. THEN HE LIED AFTER I FOUND 2020 ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN

Ken Block  |  Opinion contributor

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House.

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

Our findings have also been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith’s federal investigation and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation in Georgia. Those emails and documents show that the voter data available to the campaign contained no evidence of large-scale voter fraud based on data mining and fraud analytics.

More important, claims of voter fraud made by others were verified as false, including proof of why those claims were disproven.

And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election.

Rudy Giuliani lied about voter fraud in Georgia

It’s part of a steady diet of innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud. Giuliani admitted he lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter committing election crimes in Georgia. *******Stories that set the record straight about election innuendo are not typically broadcast in right-leaning media, which means that millions of people receive no information to help them make a more informed decision about what happened in 2020.*******

What these claims don’t take into account is that voter fraud is detectable, quantifiable and verifiable. I have yet to see anyone offer up “evidence” of voter fraud from the 2020 election that provides these three things.

My company’s contract with the campaign obligated us to deliver evidence of voter fraud that could be defended in a court of law. The small amount of voter fraud I found was bipartisan, with about as many Republicans casting duplicate votes as Democrats.

This is a crime of privilege: Those with two homes sometimes take two bites of the electoral apple.

There were also small numbers of deceased voters. Still, nothing emerged that could provide a solid basis for a legal challenge to an election result in any of the states we evaluated.

Additional legal hurdles beyond solid evidence of fraud stand in the way of any effort to overturn or negate an election result through our legal system. Even if it could be shown that more fraudulent votes were cast in a state than the margin of victory in 2020, no one can determine for which candidate each fraudulent ballot was cast.

Trump's claims of voter fraud have no foundation in the truth

We vote anonymously − with good reason. No candidate can credibly claim that a fraudulent vote was credited to their opponent unless the person who cast that vote tells us.

This means that a candidate trying to use voter fraud as the reason to change an election result cannot show that the fraudulent votes caused their election loss.

As a former gubernatorial candidate, I can admire the discipline it takes to stay on message on a single issue. There is no doubt that voter fraud can animate people. But it is one thing to provide a rallying point for supporters and quite another to drag our election infrastructure and legal system into a foundationless set of false claims.

A better use of time, money and energy would be to address systemic weaknesses in our election systems – such as the distressing lack of national election infrastructure to enforce election integrity, destructive practices to our elections such as gerrymandering, and leveling the playing field so that our elections become fairer and more competitive.

If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven. Maintaining the lies undermines faith in the foundation of our democracy.

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You’re so smart, it’s scary. 

Looks like we have another n00b/straightjacket clone rotating through non moto.

MSM sure gets these kids fired up, don't they  ??

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If the “liberal agenda” is accepting election results whether my candidate wins or loses, I guess I blindly follow the liberal agenda. That’s democracy.

LOOnatic wrote:
Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out...

Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out?

 

Let that sink in before you respond 

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that...

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that they did not go nearly as far or make it as big of an issue as some Republicans have. Clinton gave a concession speech that next day when the results were official and encouraged people to give Trump a chance to lead. She didn’t call a rally at the exact date, time, and location that his election win was being certified and tell her people to march on the Capitol. There’s levels to this of course, and anyone believing otherwise would be naive or intentionally ignoring the facts.

'Facts'

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LOOnatic wrote:
Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out...

Are you aware that Hillary and Stacey Abrams still maintain that their election losses were "stolen" and  due to voter suppression despite record minority turn out?

 

Let that sink in before you respond 

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that...

And they’re stupid for claiming any of their elections were rigged or fraudulently stolen. (See, this isn’t hard). I think we can all agree though that they did not go nearly as far or make it as big of an issue as some Republicans have. Clinton gave a concession speech that next day when the results were official and encouraged people to give Trump a chance to lead. She didn’t call a rally at the exact date, time, and location that his election win was being certified and tell her people to march on the Capitol. There’s levels to this of course, and anyone believing otherwise would be naive or intentionally ignoring the facts.

philG wrote:

'Facts'

Clinton…Hero President. Laughing

Lolita Express…anyone? Lying Under Oath? 

Those are DOCUMENTED FACTS. 

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I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let...

I have seen your many posts and you aren’t even worth my time, other than this one post to let you know that. Better to let you keep believing you’re correct than it is to even try to talk some sense into you. But just in case you were wondering, you’re completely wrong. Some people are too far gone to even bother with. You fit that mold.

SCR wrote:

philG saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away across the Atlantic Ocean. Some Americans couldn't see it happening right in front of them.

The fact you guys still believe this crap is insane. In-fucking-sane. Phil 'saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away' because firstly he's psychologically wired to...

The fact you guys still believe this crap is insane. In-fucking-sane.

Phil 'saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away' because firstly he's psychologically wired to jump head first into every conspiracy theory he can find, and secondly he listens to the same phoney idiots peddling misinformation that you guys do.

Ken Block Op-Ed USA Today

TRUMP PAID ME TO FIND VOTER FRAUD. THEN HE LIED AFTER I FOUND 2020 ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN

Ken Block  |  Opinion contributor

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House.

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

Our findings have also been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith’s federal investigation and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation in Georgia. Those emails and documents show that the voter data available to the campaign contained no evidence of large-scale voter fraud based on data mining and fraud analytics.

More important, claims of voter fraud made by others were verified as false, including proof of why those claims were disproven.

And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election.

Rudy Giuliani lied about voter fraud in Georgia

It’s part of a steady diet of innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud. Giuliani admitted he lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter committing election crimes in Georgia. *******Stories that set the record straight about election innuendo are not typically broadcast in right-leaning media, which means that millions of people receive no information to help them make a more informed decision about what happened in 2020.*******

What these claims don’t take into account is that voter fraud is detectable, quantifiable and verifiable. I have yet to see anyone offer up “evidence” of voter fraud from the 2020 election that provides these three things.

My company’s contract with the campaign obligated us to deliver evidence of voter fraud that could be defended in a court of law. The small amount of voter fraud I found was bipartisan, with about as many Republicans casting duplicate votes as Democrats.

This is a crime of privilege: Those with two homes sometimes take two bites of the electoral apple.

There were also small numbers of deceased voters. Still, nothing emerged that could provide a solid basis for a legal challenge to an election result in any of the states we evaluated.

Additional legal hurdles beyond solid evidence of fraud stand in the way of any effort to overturn or negate an election result through our legal system. Even if it could be shown that more fraudulent votes were cast in a state than the margin of victory in 2020, no one can determine for which candidate each fraudulent ballot was cast.

Trump's claims of voter fraud have no foundation in the truth

We vote anonymously − with good reason. No candidate can credibly claim that a fraudulent vote was credited to their opponent unless the person who cast that vote tells us.

This means that a candidate trying to use voter fraud as the reason to change an election result cannot show that the fraudulent votes caused their election loss.

As a former gubernatorial candidate, I can admire the discipline it takes to stay on message on a single issue. There is no doubt that voter fraud can animate people. But it is one thing to provide a rallying point for supporters and quite another to drag our election infrastructure and legal system into a foundationless set of false claims.

A better use of time, money and energy would be to address systemic weaknesses in our election systems – such as the distressing lack of national election infrastructure to enforce election integrity, destructive practices to our elections such as gerrymandering, and leveling the playing field so that our elections become fairer and more competitive.

If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven. Maintaining the lies undermines faith in the foundation of our democracy.

You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because of 2 reasons. 1. You don’t know enough about the events 2. Blind hatred 

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philG saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away across the Atlantic Ocean. Some Americans couldn't see it happening right in front of them.

The fact you guys still believe this crap is insane. In-fucking-sane. Phil 'saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away' because firstly he's psychologically wired to...

The fact you guys still believe this crap is insane. In-fucking-sane.

Phil 'saw the election fraud from 3,000 miles away' because firstly he's psychologically wired to jump head first into every conspiracy theory he can find, and secondly he listens to the same phoney idiots peddling misinformation that you guys do.

Ken Block Op-Ed USA Today

TRUMP PAID ME TO FIND VOTER FRAUD. THEN HE LIED AFTER I FOUND 2020 ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN

Ken Block  |  Opinion contributor

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House.

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

Our findings have also been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith’s federal investigation and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation in Georgia. Those emails and documents show that the voter data available to the campaign contained no evidence of large-scale voter fraud based on data mining and fraud analytics.

More important, claims of voter fraud made by others were verified as false, including proof of why those claims were disproven.

And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election.

Rudy Giuliani lied about voter fraud in Georgia

It’s part of a steady diet of innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud. Giuliani admitted he lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter committing election crimes in Georgia. *******Stories that set the record straight about election innuendo are not typically broadcast in right-leaning media, which means that millions of people receive no information to help them make a more informed decision about what happened in 2020.*******

What these claims don’t take into account is that voter fraud is detectable, quantifiable and verifiable. I have yet to see anyone offer up “evidence” of voter fraud from the 2020 election that provides these three things.

My company’s contract with the campaign obligated us to deliver evidence of voter fraud that could be defended in a court of law. The small amount of voter fraud I found was bipartisan, with about as many Republicans casting duplicate votes as Democrats.

This is a crime of privilege: Those with two homes sometimes take two bites of the electoral apple.

There were also small numbers of deceased voters. Still, nothing emerged that could provide a solid basis for a legal challenge to an election result in any of the states we evaluated.

Additional legal hurdles beyond solid evidence of fraud stand in the way of any effort to overturn or negate an election result through our legal system. Even if it could be shown that more fraudulent votes were cast in a state than the margin of victory in 2020, no one can determine for which candidate each fraudulent ballot was cast.

Trump's claims of voter fraud have no foundation in the truth

We vote anonymously − with good reason. No candidate can credibly claim that a fraudulent vote was credited to their opponent unless the person who cast that vote tells us.

This means that a candidate trying to use voter fraud as the reason to change an election result cannot show that the fraudulent votes caused their election loss.

As a former gubernatorial candidate, I can admire the discipline it takes to stay on message on a single issue. There is no doubt that voter fraud can animate people. But it is one thing to provide a rallying point for supporters and quite another to drag our election infrastructure and legal system into a foundationless set of false claims.

A better use of time, money and energy would be to address systemic weaknesses in our election systems – such as the distressing lack of national election infrastructure to enforce election integrity, destructive practices to our elections such as gerrymandering, and leveling the playing field so that our elections become fairer and more competitive.

If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven. Maintaining the lies undermines faith in the foundation of our democracy.

Zycki11 wrote:
You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because...

You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because of 2 reasons. 1. You don’t know enough about the events 2. Blind hatred 

But…but…but…

FACTS! Laughing

“Follow the science”…etc., etc., etc. …

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Zycki11 wrote:
You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because...

You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because of 2 reasons. 1. You don’t know enough about the events 2. Blind hatred 

You obviously did not read it.

It is not an 'opinion piece'

It is a factual summary by the guy whose firm was hired by trump to find voter fraud.

He didn't find any.

There, I summarized it to save you the 5 minutes it would have taken to actually read it yourself.

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Zycki11 wrote:
You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because...

You do realize that you are posting an Opinion piece right? From USA Today of all places…. The reason you think it is insane is because of 2 reasons. 1. You don’t know enough about the events 2. Blind hatred 

indy_maico wrote:
You obviously did not read it. It is not an 'opinion piece' It is a factual summary by the guy whose firm was hired by trump...

You obviously did not read it.

It is not an 'opinion piece'

It is a factual summary by the guy whose firm was hired by trump to find voter fraud.

He didn't find any.

There, I summarized it to save you the 5 minutes it would have taken to actually read it yourself.

I may not be the best reader but I am pretty sure that says opinion contributor? If you will please, can you elaborate why a random car bomb went off in Nashville that coincidentally housed all of the servers for voter information?IMG 0883 0

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