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Has anyone here had both Enzo and FC do their KYB conversion. Any input on which they preferred?
yes… i agree!
I completely disagree with just about everything you just said.
firstly, we aren’t talking about Nationals we are talking average riders that mostly do track days and race occasionally.
Secondly, Even at 230 pounds i can pull 450s everywhere except maybe on the start but i’ll still be top 5 and can let the 350 eat further and will make it up through the first turn.
thirdly, my corner speed will crush a 450 any day of the week, i can carry speed further into the corner zone one, be smooth through zone 2 and accelerate harder out of zone 2 through 3 and the exit to clear even the largest obstacles even immediately following the corner.
most people that say they don’t like 350s just don’t like austrian brand motorcycles or try to compare it to a 450 and that’s too bad … it is the perfect motorcycle in just about every situation on a track!
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I agree 100%
Starter relays go bad quick
Your 350 corner speed wouldn’t crush my 450 corner speed any day haha
Yes it would. “You” would be faster thru any corner on a 350. After you figured out how to ride it.
Also as far as starts. You can start a 350 in third gear, I could never do that on my 450. I had great results starting in third on my 350.
That's a woods bike not interested in the least.
ok … maybe it won’t, but, what if you’re wrong 😂
I rode 350’s for seven years, I used to think like you, untill my wife told me I was riding way harder than everyone else in the class (open pro sport) and then I was like no way, went to 450s and instantly had better speed every where.
350s are a gimmick. You think your going fast, but if you could ride the 450 just as hard, obviously your gonna be going faster, I still think a 350 is a great bike but my corner speed on a 450 would smoke my 350 corner speed.
How many days a week are you on a Mx track or supercross track?
I will buy you a sandwich.
one sandwich only,
, but it has to be from anywhere of my choice randomly chosen by a random person.
Exactly, you are 100 % right. It’s a gimmick.
I’d be faster on a 350 over a 250 all day but I can’t race it in a 250 class. It’s slower than a 450 with less torque. If it was faster chase sexton would hop right on and race it. It’s just not better.
This isn’t a debate tho, its a wishlist, so maybe some of these parts will make the 350 better in certain areas…
Yeah I’ve owned and raced (A) class lots of 450s. For me the 350 is easier to go fast consistently on. But it’s not the power or lack of power it’s the chassis dynamics shift points braking etc. You might be right for a couple turns the 450 might be faster but not overall. For me, I’m no Superman. But I only weigh 165 pounds so that little bit of lost torque, doesn’t matter very much. If I was closer to 200 it would totally make a difference 350s aren’t for everybody and every condition for sure I agree
The 350 is good but it’s no 450.
I actually wanted a big bore or high comp 450 back in the summer, and I only had like 60hrs of ride time this year and that’s lite for me,
I just think the 350 slow compared to the 450 especially on deep tracks there is no shot.
for a vet guy it’s awesome, for a guy that used to ride and is coming back it’s awesome…
for a dude that’s looking to grab moto by the balls and is pulling everything out of it, it’s not .
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Yep I mostly agree with you.
but I don’t really think the 350s is the best vet bike though, I think it’s too hard to ride fast. It doesn’t have the power to ride around in low RPMs.
I think they tried to change that with the brand new 350 engine, with the power shifted lower. but to me, they kind of ruined the best part of the 350, the high rpm power.
I haven’t got to ride the new gen 350 yet last I had was a 22,
I’m waiting to ride the triumph 350…
We might have a discussion gong on where we are caught between how we feel on a bike versus how fast we actually are when we are keeping lap times.
Knowing a few of you and being on the track with you -OR- seeing you race, in some cases, I can say the following: OB is happier and rides faster laps longer on a 350. Also, 350s seem to last FOREVER for that dude.
When Austin was racing, he shredded on a 450 while riding the same way a lot of us do on a 350…including revving it.
We’re onto a more important subject when you think about it: risking a bike that makes you/allows you to focus on what you’re doing. For me? My favorite bike for “working on my turns”?
My mint condition 2007 RM 125 that I bought for $3500 during The Panickdemic just to have a 125 again. This thing turns like a dream. When you get a turn just right on this? You feel like the you’ve conquered the world…with a smile
I never rode a pre 23 350, but I feel like the power is great from bottom to top on mine. It lugs decent and I feel like you have a lot of options with shifting. Most sections that I hit in 4th, you can also do in 3rd if you really want to rev it. It makes the best power where the 450 signs off, and revs 4k rpms higher
deal!
I just think the 350 is a perfect bike if you’re doing moto only as a hobby, when it comes to it being a job, 450 is it. Especially for open class results.
A 350 was enough for me at one time, but like all bikes it seems as if they got progressively worse upon release the worst one I owned was a 22.. the best one I owned was a 16….
the 16’s came stock with a vortex like ignition, 4cs that could be easily modified into a better fork than what the air fork will ever be, and the best air box intake boot,
I loved that bike!
I had the opurtunity to buy 06 rm125 recently for 1k and I passed it up, I should have bought it!
I personally don't think you can beat the AEO/REP suspension for any of the Austrian bikes. My wish list would be to have the suspension done by them and I really don't think you have to do anything else, unless you want some blingy stuff.
Austin your a very fast rider but I bet you would be quite surprised of the 24 350 I was not a fan of the early editions then rode a 23 I’m a fat out of shape vet rider but the power is definitely closer now on 350 Understand when you’re racing for money can’t give up the start but if it was a long moto would be very effective. I have added vortex and on the best on dyno mode it definitely has more punch then my 22 factory edition 450
A mate of mine that has had 350s every year since they came out, wants it to be a 400.
With the same bore / stroke ratio as the current 250, which is 81 x 48 / 48.5mm, it would mean it would need a 94.5 / 95mn piston.
I told him - without checking the stud pattern etc, that I very much doubt those 250 based cases could accommodate that.
Classic case of wanting something that doesn't exist, on his part. Most of us have that affliction.
He says he'd like a bit more grunt - he's got a Lot done to his 350s as it is - but doesn't want a 450.
He was a real devotee of the last years of the KTM400s.
Me? I get on his 350s, and they are wonderful, but, I prefer his 300SXs. It's nice to have a mate with ( a whole bunch of) new bikes every year. Funny thing is, when I go out to his glorious property, he comandiers my ancient old 500, for most of the day, while I pick and choose from his 'collection'.
No doubt, not trying to argue about if it’s awesome or not to mod a bike no matter what cc . I just don’t have purpose for one and don’t think it’s better. Not trying to be a Debbie downer.
They just don’t make sense to me.
Mods for a 350 ..
send suspension to WP
akropavich full ti exhaust
Hand ported head from pro circuit and wiseco .. new piston
vortex ignition
X trig clamps
guts seat
no cross bar “ handle bars .. I’d get renthals fat bar.
Dubya carbon hubs
Kill the ugly orange with all white plastics and throw on some custom graphics.
Mx 34 Dunlop
Cone valves for sure 100%, anti bottoming can’t be beat
Quick turn throttle cam
filterless cage of course
fmf pipe and header
id love to try a vortex if I ever buy another 350
Such a good bike it’s pretty simple
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