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Is it me or does it seem like the more they try to legitimize SMX as a real championship title the less legitimate it seems?  The way Jason and JT talk about it always makes me laugh….now Star rolled out Deegan’s bike with a red #1 plate for press day?  Pllleeeaaass…

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Good news is if you don’t like smx just ignore it and watch the two series independently. 
 

I personally would like to see the add more emphasis on the sx and Mx season for the playoffs but I thought smx was cool and have no problem with the 1 plate in deegans bikes. It’s not like they will show it until we get to smx rounds anyway. 

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12/19/2023 11:39am

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

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imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first moto in the last race then Jordan Smith has a legit shot at the title…after the average at best season he had….then the title is a joke.  If the title is a joke then so is the #1 plate from it.

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

Umm…of course.  Those were from legitimate series championships.

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

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Umm…of course.  Those were from legitimate series championships.

Pretty sure Jett will sporting his #1 plate when SMX rolls around....

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YOT is back?!

 

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imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first...

imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first moto in the last race then Jordan Smith has a legit shot at the title…after the average at best season he had….then the title is a joke.  If the title is a joke then so is the #1 plate from it.

Who cares man. If you don’t like it don’t watch. Seems pretty simple. 

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YOT is back?!

 

Apparently they bought Star....Who knew...LOL!

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Shred wrote:
Is it me or does it seem like the more they try to legitimize SMX as a real championship title the less legitimate it seems?  The...

Is it me or does it seem like the more they try to legitimize SMX as a real championship title the less legitimate it seems?  The way Jason and JT talk about it always makes me laugh….now Star rolled out Deegan’s bike with a red #1 plate for press day?  Pllleeeaaass…

It's you....

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12/19/2023 11:52am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2023 11:53am

Eh, I think it's a fun couple of rounds. I do think they need to switch it to a points per moto thing though; Jett proved exactly why overall scoring doesn't work at the pro level. 6 points paying races would also bring it closer to the regional titles as well, especially since the SMX races would be against the whole field.

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GrapeApe wrote:

YOT is back?!

 

DonM wrote:

Apparently they bought Star....Who knew...LOL!

Sick I can't wait to see Deegan's championship winning bike with the fifth dragon graphics

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YOT is back?!

 

Oops..lol…I mean Star.  I’ll change in post

 

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Shred wrote:
imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first...

imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first moto in the last race then Jordan Smith has a legit shot at the title…after the average at best season he had….then the title is a joke.  If the title is a joke then so is the #1 plate from it.

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate

For him to win, he would have to win the overall, 

Hunter  6th or worse (tie)

Jo - 5th or worse (tie)

Deegan - 4th or worse

Levi/RJ - He would have to beat straight up

 

essentially, the only way for Smith to win is if everyone in the top 5 from the previous rounds was outside of the top 5

 

Let's say he did win the race and everyone else was one position back, he would have still lost to Haiden and Jo.

 

Just because the TV shows a mathematical chance, doesn't mean there's a legit shot at winning

 

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imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first...

imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first moto in the last race then Jordan Smith has a legit shot at the title…after the average at best season he had….then the title is a joke.  If the title is a joke then so is the #1 plate from it.

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate For him to win...

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate

For him to win, he would have to win the overall, 

Hunter  6th or worse (tie)

Jo - 5th or worse (tie)

Deegan - 4th or worse

Levi/RJ - He would have to beat straight up

 

essentially, the only way for Smith to win is if everyone in the top 5 from the previous rounds was outside of the top 5

 

Let's say he did win the race and everyone else was one position back, he would have still lost to Haiden and Jo.

 

Just because the TV shows a mathematical chance, doesn't mean there's a legit shot at winning

 

Watch the broadcast and go to the end of the first 250 Moto and listen.

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12/19/2023 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2023 12:36pm
Shred wrote:
imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first...

imo…it will never be legitimate with gimmicks like double and triple points in the last 2 rounds.  When you have a series where after the first moto in the last race then Jordan Smith has a legit shot at the title…after the average at best season he had….then the title is a joke.  If the title is a joke then so is the #1 plate from it.

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate For him to win...

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate

For him to win, he would have to win the overall, 

Hunter  6th or worse (tie)

Jo - 5th or worse (tie)

Deegan - 4th or worse

Levi/RJ - He would have to beat straight up

 

essentially, the only way for Smith to win is if everyone in the top 5 from the previous rounds was outside of the top 5

 

Let's say he did win the race and everyone else was one position back, he would have still lost to Haiden and Jo.

 

Just because the TV shows a mathematical chance, doesn't mean there's a legit shot at winning

 

Shred wrote:

Watch the broadcast and go to the end of the first 250 Moto and listen.

dont fall for the broadcast hype

points were not made per moto, these graphics and what the announcers were saying means absolutely nothing. There are no "points as they run" unless they dropped the second moto completely or the second moto miraculously was an exact duplicate of the first moto

pointless.JPG?VersionId=uuu91oVmzicUGlF22hGvTHlv0

Hampshire was second,  it would still be a winner takes all between the two of them in the second moto (assuming others did poorly)

Shimoda finished 4th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall

Haiden finished 5th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall.

 

Again, he had a mathematical chance, sure, but it was far from a legit chance

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

Jett and Hunter won regional supercross titles and outdoor motocross titles to get their red plates.  Deegan won a three race series - there's a big difference. 

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

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Umm…of course.  Those were from legitimate series championships.

DonM wrote:

Pretty sure Jett will sporting his #1 plate when SMX rolls around....

Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX championship and Jett's championships. 

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Shred wrote:

Umm…of course.  Those were from legitimate series championships.

DonM wrote:

Pretty sure Jett will sporting his #1 plate when SMX rolls around....

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Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX...

Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX championship and Jett's championships. 

 There are three series for riders to earn a #1 plate in the US....SX, MX and SMX and the champions of each series are required to run the number one in the series they won the championship in...Jett will be running the #1 in SMX because he won the 3 race championship and is required to do so (just like Deegan)...has nothing to do with his other championships....

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DonM wrote:

Pretty sure Jett will sporting his #1 plate when SMX rolls around....

Herr Lich wrote:
Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX...

Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX championship and Jett's championships. 

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 There are three series for riders to earn a #1 plate in the US....SX, MX and SMX and the champions of each series are required to...

 There are three series for riders to earn a #1 plate in the US....SX, MX and SMX and the champions of each series are required to run the number one in the series they won the championship in...Jett will be running the #1 in SMX because he won the 3 race championship and is required to do so (just like Deegan)...has nothing to do with his other championships....

Well said Don.

Deegs running the 1 plate for the photo shoot is Star just grasping at straws, but they earned it so they can display it.

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If they only photographed him with the number one, I would think it's lame, but they also photographed him with the number thirty-eight. 

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

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Jett and Hunter won regional supercross titles and outdoor motocross titles to get their red plates.  Deegan won a three race series - there's a big...

Jett and Hunter won regional supercross titles and outdoor motocross titles to get their red plates.  Deegan won a three race series - there's a big difference. 

Deegan did more than win a three race series. He put himself in a good position from the points reset based off his solid sx and Mx seasons. I wish the “regular” season of sx and Mx had more of an impact on the reset but it wasn’t just three race series. 

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Herr Lich wrote:
Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX...

Yes he will, but also because he won the 250 West Championship and the 450 Outdoors championship.  There is no equivalence between Deegan's three round SMX championship and Jett's championships. 

DonM wrote:
 There are three series for riders to earn a #1 plate in the US....SX, MX and SMX and the champions of each series are required to...

 There are three series for riders to earn a #1 plate in the US....SX, MX and SMX and the champions of each series are required to run the number one in the series they won the championship in...Jett will be running the #1 in SMX because he won the 3 race championship and is required to do so (just like Deegan)...has nothing to do with his other championships....

Well said Don. Deegs running the 1 plate for the photo shoot is Star just grasping at straws, but they earned it so they can display...

Well said Don.

Deegs running the 1 plate for the photo shoot is Star just grasping at straws, but they earned it so they can display it.

If people are going to be angry because Star had photos done with the #1 on Deegan's bike that they will use later in the year for SMX then they should probably be angry with KTM for taking photos of Sexton with the #4 on it that will be used later in the year...The #1 photos probably shouldn't have been put out there but is it really that big of a deal? Only for those that have DDS....Deegan Derangement Syndrome.... 

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I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate For him to win...

I don't remember rd 3 moto 1 all that well, but I feel like saying he had a legit shot isn't accurate

For him to win, he would have to win the overall, 

Hunter  6th or worse (tie)

Jo - 5th or worse (tie)

Deegan - 4th or worse

Levi/RJ - He would have to beat straight up

 

essentially, the only way for Smith to win is if everyone in the top 5 from the previous rounds was outside of the top 5

 

Let's say he did win the race and everyone else was one position back, he would have still lost to Haiden and Jo.

 

Just because the TV shows a mathematical chance, doesn't mean there's a legit shot at winning

 

Shred wrote:

Watch the broadcast and go to the end of the first 250 Moto and listen.

dont fall for the broadcast hype points were not made per moto, these graphics and what the announcers were saying means absolutely nothing. There are no...

dont fall for the broadcast hype

points were not made per moto, these graphics and what the announcers were saying means absolutely nothing. There are no "points as they run" unless they dropped the second moto completely or the second moto miraculously was an exact duplicate of the first moto

pointless.JPG?VersionId=uuu91oVmzicUGlF22hGvTHlv0

Hampshire was second,  it would still be a winner takes all between the two of them in the second moto (assuming others did poorly)

Shimoda finished 4th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall

Haiden finished 5th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall.

 

Again, he had a mathematical chance, sure, but it was far from a legit chance

Sure…they have to finish in that order for the whole night…I get that.  But the fact IF they finished the night in that order, and Jo would have to struggle some(which he did…hence Deegan won), make it ridiculous as even in the realm of possibilities….for something they tout as a year long chase. They just finished one moto in that order so it’s not impossible the following motos, on the same track and same night, to finish similar.  The points structure is a gimmick so tons of people have a shot at the title up to the last race….how exciting…and not a legitimate title. 

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peanutt wrote:

So should Jett and Hunter not show off their titles with red number one plates?

Herr Lich wrote:
Jett and Hunter won regional supercross titles and outdoor motocross titles to get their red plates.  Deegan won a three race series - there's a big...

Jett and Hunter won regional supercross titles and outdoor motocross titles to get their red plates.  Deegan won a three race series - there's a big difference. 

Deegan did more than win a three race series. He put himself in a good position from the points reset based off his solid sx and...

Deegan did more than win a three race series. He put himself in a good position from the points reset based off his solid sx and Mx seasons. I wish the “regular” season of sx and Mx had more of an impact on the reset but it wasn’t just three race series. 

Exactly! I would put the SMX 250 championship ahead of a 250SX regional championship because of the points reset and you're racing against everyone and not just half the field....

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So does Deegan get an Asterix's like Sexton ?

Asking for a friend?

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Shred wrote:

Watch the broadcast and go to the end of the first 250 Moto and listen.

dont fall for the broadcast hype points were not made per moto, these graphics and what the announcers were saying means absolutely nothing. There are no...

dont fall for the broadcast hype

points were not made per moto, these graphics and what the announcers were saying means absolutely nothing. There are no "points as they run" unless they dropped the second moto completely or the second moto miraculously was an exact duplicate of the first moto

pointless.JPG?VersionId=uuu91oVmzicUGlF22hGvTHlv0

Hampshire was second,  it would still be a winner takes all between the two of them in the second moto (assuming others did poorly)

Shimoda finished 4th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall

Haiden finished 5th, still looking good for finishing in the top 5 and beating Smith overall.

 

Again, he had a mathematical chance, sure, but it was far from a legit chance

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Sure…they have to finish in that order for the whole night…I get that.  But the fact IF they finished the night in that order, and Jo...

Sure…they have to finish in that order for the whole night…I get that.  But the fact IF they finished the night in that order, and Jo would have to struggle some(which he did…hence Deegan won), make it ridiculous as even in the realm of possibilities….for something they tout as a year long chase. They just finished one moto in that order so it’s not impossible the following motos, on the same track and same night, to finish similar.  The points structure is a gimmick so tons of people have a shot at the title up to the last race….how exciting…and not a legitimate title. 

the double and triple points might seem gimmicky, but they make little to no difference

remove the points for qualifying, use the hybrid supercross/motocross points structure, and the standard 25 per win (instead of double/triple structure).

Going into round 3 would be this.

1.) Shimoda: 47

2.) Deegan: 40

3.) Lawrence: 39

4.) Smith: 33

5.) Vialle: 30

 

Using the same pointless graphic that the broadcast used, and saying "points as the run" during a non-points paying race, and you would get the following results

 

As they run:

1.) Shimoda: 65

2.) J. Smith: -7

3.) Deegan: -8

4.) Hampshire: -17

 

With it only being a 3 race series, the double/triple points mean very little, unless someone has a terrible 3rd round (like Hunter)

 

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These other championships only help the sport.

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Why people always complain for nothing. We have 3 more triple crown rounds with lots of laps and money to bring everyone at 100%. Leave the karen's alone Smile

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People are generally stupid and only see what is directly in front of their face.

This year's SMX was a three round trial balloon. Once they see the buy in and the shock is gone the SMX portion of the season will expand while others contract. Feld would be stupid not to explore more SMX rounds as the facilities are all cheaper to rent and some are even cheaper to get dirt from which is the number one expense. I see a future where Feld and MX Sports are a single entity with 10 SX, 10 MX and 10 SMX rounds. 

For all the people that think this is a terrible idea, the only way that Glen Helen ever gets back on the schedule is if MX Sports isn't running the nationals. 

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People are generally stupid and only see what is directly in front of their face. This year's SMX was a three round trial balloon. Once they...

People are generally stupid and only see what is directly in front of their face.

This year's SMX was a three round trial balloon. Once they see the buy in and the shock is gone the SMX portion of the season will expand while others contract. Feld would be stupid not to explore more SMX rounds as the facilities are all cheaper to rent and some are even cheaper to get dirt from which is the number one expense. I see a future where Feld and MX Sports are a single entity with 10 SX, 10 MX and 10 SMX rounds. 

For all the people that think this is a terrible idea, the only way that Glen Helen ever gets back on the schedule is if MX Sports isn't running the nationals. 

A man once said… “MX Sports is going down!”

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