The Airlines...and new security...

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:54am
So, we take off from St. Croix yesterday and they tell us of the "new" rules on the flight.

No getting up within 1 hour of the destination.
No having ANYTHING on your lap within 1 hour of the destination.
No services within 1 hour of the destination.


So the pilot says when there is 1-1/2 hours left, he will make an announcement so people can use the restroom and get back to their sets for the "one hour out" rule...


1-1/2 hours before landing...he comes on and says that the new rules have been lifted and it will be "business as usual"... Nice.


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12/29/2009 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:40pm
The "live map" ban and 1 hour rule were relaxed late Sunday night. It was likely a mis-communication.... At least this is the info I've heard. The crew likely wanted to confirm with the company security department if they were on a layover or away from base. Better safe than sorry, I'd hate to lose my job over something so stupid... Shit like that has happened before.


American Airlines?
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12/29/2009 6:48pm
News is saying "Pilot's discretion"
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12/29/2009 6:49pm
zjbell wrote:
The "live map" ban and 1 hour rule were relaxed late Sunday night. It was likely a mis-communication.... At least this is the info I've heard...
The "live map" ban and 1 hour rule were relaxed late Sunday night. It was likely a mis-communication.... At least this is the info I've heard. The crew likely wanted to confirm with the company security department if they were on a layover or away from base. Better safe than sorry, I'd hate to lose my job over something so stupid... Shit like that has happened before.


American Airlines?
It was Delta. I just thought they'd stay with the rule until the flight was over, then go back on the next.


They also said that the inflight internet would be disabled as part of the new rules too... lol


Maybe they figured terriorst would google "how to make a bomb" while in the middle of a flight.

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12/29/2009 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2009 6:57pm
Speaking of in flight internet, I was talking to someone today about all this and the thought came to mind of is it possible that a device can be placed in a checked bag and be accessed from a laptop via wifi or bluetooth?

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flarider wrote:
Speaking of in flight internet, I was talking to someone today about all this and the thought came to mind of is it possible that a...
Speaking of in flight internet, I was talking to someone today about all this and the thought came to mind of is it possible that a device can be placed in a checked bag and be accessed from a laptop via wifi or bluetooth?
I hope not, the go-go system Delta uses is the shit.
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12/30/2009 11:20am
zjbell wrote:
The "live map" ban and 1 hour rule were relaxed late Sunday night. It was likely a mis-communication.... At least this is the info I've heard...
The "live map" ban and 1 hour rule were relaxed late Sunday night. It was likely a mis-communication.... At least this is the info I've heard. The crew likely wanted to confirm with the company security department if they were on a layover or away from base. Better safe than sorry, I'd hate to lose my job over something so stupid... Shit like that has happened before.


American Airlines?
huck wrote:
It was Delta. I just thought they'd stay with the rule until the flight was over, then go back on the next. They also said that...
It was Delta. I just thought they'd stay with the rule until the flight was over, then go back on the next.


They also said that the inflight internet would be disabled as part of the new rules too... lol


Maybe they figured terriorst would google "how to make a bomb" while in the middle of a flight.

It's a catch for the flight crew. If they heard 'rumors' of the ban being lifted while away from base it's safer to get within range of ACARS (think e-mail, reception is spotty in the Carib.) and get a printed conformation that the rules were changed.

If you let everyone up and the news you heard was bad, you could get in trouble. If you keep people in their seats for no good reason that's bad too. Believe me, the flight crews just do what's in the company manual. Busting stupid regulations is a shitty way to lose you job/ticket....
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flarider wrote:
News is saying "Pilot's discretion"
It's always been pilots discretion. The Pilot in Command needs to have final authority to keep the passengers seated if need be...
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I say the whole security thing should be abolished. It's a waste of time and energy. People that want to do bad things will find away around it. Lock the pilot arm him, give guns to the marshals let it all work itself out. If it is known there are armed agents, say four. Three visible and one undercover people would be less apt to try something stupid. Make no mistakes, the guys with guns are there to kill. Not wound, mame just kill. They can use those bullets with the shot in them. Also if you have a Jackass looking passenger the pilot can make that choice to hold him.

I dont want to say eliminate freedom but shit man. What about the stories of being kidnapped in a plane for hours on end and not being able to get up, leave or whatever. I realize congress just made a new law for this, ultimately its a open market. If I pay you to fly and you dont fly let me off the fucking plane so I can make plans. 14 Hours on the tarmac you can rent a car/boat or dirigible and get there quicker.
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I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers. It's just my personal opinion that pilots should fly the airplane not pack heat. Nothing really catastrophic has happened... but give it time. Something WILL happen. Holes have been shot in airplanes already, it's not long before a body is accidentally behind one of those 'oops'...

Increase flight deck security, more Air Marshalls, profiling, whatever... just don't let the pilots have guns.
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12/30/2009 12:38pm
zjbell wrote:
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers...
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers. It's just my personal opinion that pilots should fly the airplane not pack heat. Nothing really catastrophic has happened... but give it time. Something WILL happen. Holes have been shot in airplanes already, it's not long before a body is accidentally behind one of those 'oops'...

Increase flight deck security, more Air Marshalls, profiling, whatever... just don't let the pilots have guns.
They might spill their martinis when reaching for their guns... Pinch
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Arming pilots really wont accomplish anything. If a bomb goes off we just lose a nice gun.
Start profiling. Fuck being nice.

"I might be dead, but nobody can accuse me of religious or ethnic insensitivity."

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zjbell wrote:
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers...
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers. It's just my personal opinion that pilots should fly the airplane not pack heat. Nothing really catastrophic has happened... but give it time. Something WILL happen. Holes have been shot in airplanes already, it's not long before a body is accidentally behind one of those 'oops'...

Increase flight deck security, more Air Marshalls, profiling, whatever... just don't let the pilots have guns.
Granted I don't know Pilots like you do. I can live with them just flying the plane. But armed people should be on the plane. Some hot blond with an attitude and bolt ons. Should piss off the average religions jackass wanting to go to his virgins.
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Nothing to do for an hour on a flight would drive me insane
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12/30/2009 1:31pm
zjbell wrote:
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers...
I just can't get onboard with the whole arming pilots thing. I've seen some bizarre shit from the guys who are already Federal Flight Deck Officers. It's just my personal opinion that pilots should fly the airplane not pack heat. Nothing really catastrophic has happened... but give it time. Something WILL happen. Holes have been shot in airplanes already, it's not long before a body is accidentally behind one of those 'oops'...

Increase flight deck security, more Air Marshalls, profiling, whatever... just don't let the pilots have guns.
One other thing, pilots are behind an armored door and locked in, in order to protect the integrity of the flight deck and get the plane down as fast and safely as possible in an emergency.
A pilot busting out his Glock and coming through the door like Buckaroo Bob, is accomplishing little more than compromising the sealed integrity of the flight deck and allowing a bad guy to take control of the plane....9/11 redux

Pilots are pilots, not cops. They need to stay in their sealed cocoon and maintain the sealed integrity of the flight deck in order to land the plane.

If a whackadoo blows the plane up, bullet wasn't going to stop it anyway
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12/30/2009 1:53pm
They should just not let crazy people on the plane....
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Amazing that America spends billions on security and wars in other countries to improve their security and a guy with $1.99 super undies bypasses all that and in the process causes havoc for US flyers.

You would think Al qaeda or whoever they are blaming for this is just toying with the US.
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12/30/2009 4:28pm
Tiki wrote:
Granted I don't know Pilots like you do. I can live with them just flying the plane. But armed people should be on the plane. Some...
Granted I don't know Pilots like you do. I can live with them just flying the plane. But armed people should be on the plane. Some hot blond with an attitude and bolt ons. Should piss off the average religions jackass wanting to go to his virgins.
winner!
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Flying home from Vancouver on Tuesday morning, we had the full array of NO.

No carry-ons bigger than a laptop or laptop sleeve. I ended up hand-carrying my laptop onto the plane, and packing my backpack into my big Ogio bag. (Luckily I'd taken it with me to carry presents on the way up. My normal luggage had already been consolidated inside.)

Women were required to check large purses.

No bathroom for the last hour.

The only positive from it? They waived the usual baggage fees.
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What's the one hour rule supposed to do? So they'll just blow up the plane an hour sooner? We'll I guess it'll spare people from having to sit next to that fat loser or crying baby for an extra hour of their lives.
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12/30/2009 6:48pm
Why do pilots fail to report overtemps? Is it because they don't want to get in trouble?
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Jack Flash wrote:
Amazing that America spends billions on security and wars in other countries to improve their security and a guy with $1.99 super undies bypasses all that...
Amazing that America spends billions on security and wars in other countries to improve their security and a guy with $1.99 super undies bypasses all that and in the process causes havoc for US flyers.

You would think Al qaeda or whoever they are blaming for this is just toying with the US.
Almost as bad as the 29.99 program that can tap in the unmanned aircraft flying around over the middle east.

They are toying with us and seeing how we react to it, they are probably already plotting a next move. Which is pretty damn scary to think about.

I lived through 911, it wasnt fun and i would undergo extra security at an airport to ensure safety. No one forces anyone to fly..
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12/31/2009 12:13am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:42pm
rubarb wrote:
Why do pilots fail to report overtemps? Is it because they don't want to get in trouble?
Pretty much, but now-a-days ACARS will cry home to momma whenever you exceed operating specs. One second, one foot, one knot, one degree and that little tattle tale will run home and print out an awesome report that the MX people get on the way in.


Flap overspeed by 1 knot? Don't even bother calling OPS, because MX just got an E-Mail right from your bird.

Excessive speed on touchdown? Same thing. Over 200kn under a class Bravo? Screwed.


As far as the over-temp issue, I know there are PLENTY of guys who get busted trying to pull a one engine taxi and don't get the 5 minutes in of idle due to shorter than normal taxi times. Fire up that #2 and push it up..... In the new airplanes momma get's an email when you do this too.


I was in the back on a flight last week and the CA was flying, we landed in LGB and the guy slammed on MANUAL BRAKING, my head almost hit the seat in front of me. We made an early taxiway and went to the gate. A few days later there was reports of multiple excessive brake temps on landing in LGB. The very first airplane comes in, slams on manual braking and makes the very first exit off the runway. It was the same guy that was flying the airplane I was deadheading on last week. He ended up getting written up, but nothing will be done because he can always use his "captains authority" to stop the aircraft in time.


This is just an example of how closely crews are watched these days, no information is volunteered unless an ASAP report has been filed, and the only way these problems are caught is by the ACARS 'cry home to momma' data.

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