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12/26/2009 2:10pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

Land of Opportunism.

Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids.

Everyone pays to help society, except in some cases for those who need the help.

We have public roads, public schools, public works, public utilities, public land, police departments, fire departments, etc., all of which could be put aside by people who say, "I don't have fires at my house" or "I protect myself" or "I don't need free roads. I'd be happy to pay."

"I've got mine, and you can't have it, so get your own" is not a good attitude for any society. It will eventually break that society down.

And the "I've got mine" crowd seems not to think, sometimes, about the fact that they need society in order to "get mine". Who buys Microsoft products, for example? Just rich folks? No.

In order for Microsoft to CONTINUE to make lots of money, the people in the society they serve need to have JOBS and make MONEY to buy Microsoft products with. If the people are bankrupt from medical bills, they will not have money to buy anything, and this is bad for the "I've got mine" people.

But some of them, as you can see, would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
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12/26/2009 2:40pm
Nerd wrote:
Land of Opportunism. Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids. Everyone pays to help society, except in some...
Land of Opportunism.

Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids.

Everyone pays to help society, except in some cases for those who need the help.

We have public roads, public schools, public works, public utilities, public land, police departments, fire departments, etc., all of which could be put aside by people who say, "I don't have fires at my house" or "I protect myself" or "I don't need free roads. I'd be happy to pay."

"I've got mine, and you can't have it, so get your own" is not a good attitude for any society. It will eventually break that society down.

And the "I've got mine" crowd seems not to think, sometimes, about the fact that they need society in order to "get mine". Who buys Microsoft products, for example? Just rich folks? No.

In order for Microsoft to CONTINUE to make lots of money, the people in the society they serve need to have JOBS and make MONEY to buy Microsoft products with. If the people are bankrupt from medical bills, they will not have money to buy anything, and this is bad for the "I've got mine" people.

But some of them, as you can see, would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
Well put.

12/26/2009 3:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:38pm
Meh...

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12/26/2009 4:19pm
Thelen20 wrote:
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting...
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting the money that you would be paying in premiums in the hsa instead (in my case more than the premiums were before). so in that reguard it is MORE expensive out of my pocket week to week. 4k deductable, 6k out of pocket max. 80/20 in network, 60/40 out of network after deductable.

i have only had it this year and have not had to really use it yet. This ins will stop you from goin to the doc because your tummy hurts and that i feel is a good thing. Too many people run to the doc way too fast. Im the type of person that if it aint sticking out of my skin im gona wait and see if it gets better. My wife on the other hand would probly go everyday if i would let her but when you gota foot the whole 75 dollar doc visit plus whatever crap THEY decide you need on your own you will to give it a couple days and see if it gets better. That may sound bad but its worked out so far.

What hospitals charge for services is a joke. 4 stiches=$450, 6 stiches=$750, outpatient arthriscopic shoulder surgery twice=$20k. Lucky for me i was still on my dads awsome free GM employee ins at that time and none of that costed us a dime. But ins like that is quickly going the way of the buffalo. When i got too old to be on his ins (and before i got my current job) i priced ins like my dad had, guess what, i couldnt buy it. Ins like that was flat not offered to an individual. For some halfway decent ins it was gona be 500+ a month for just me. I took my chances and faired just fine for 4 years. Saved myself 24k!

Im not smart enough to know THE problem with healthcare or how to fix it as a whole but i do know that the snakes in washington WILL NOT FIX IT!!! You think they will be subjected to this national healthcare plan? Heck no! They are on the gravy train and they are voting the way that puts the most money in their own pockets!
I like the idea of HSA's. My company added that to the program this year...but, it was only a little bit cheaper than regular insurance.

In my case, if there are known expenses in the coming year, it would have been better to choose the regular plan.

As it was, my wife was able to get insurance through her company cheaper, so we went with that.

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12/26/2009 7:14pm
CamP wrote:
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now...
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now the McDonalds french fryers and Walmart greeters. That's not smart business, that's me first business. It's also short sighted because if it continues, there won't be many Americans left that can afford their Chinese made crap.
So what they should do is let our Gov't tax all their profits away?
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12/26/2009 7:19pm
CamP wrote:
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now...
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now the McDonalds french fryers and Walmart greeters. That's not smart business, that's me first business. It's also short sighted because if it continues, there won't be many Americans left that can afford their Chinese made crap.
mcopsey wrote:
So what they should do is let our Gov't tax all their profits away?
Someone totally missed the point.
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12/26/2009 7:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/26/2009 7:33pm
CamP wrote:
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now...
Because the CEO's of this country have sent the manufacturing jobs overseas to maximize their profits so what was the working class of America are now the McDonalds french fryers and Walmart greeters. That's not smart business, that's me first business. It's also short sighted because if it continues, there won't be many Americans left that can afford their Chinese made crap.
mcopsey wrote:
So what they should do is let our Gov't tax all their profits away?
CamP wrote:
Someone totally missed the point.
Yes, yes you did.
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12/26/2009 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 12/26/2009 7:58pm
mcopsey wrote:
So what they should do is let our Gov't tax all their profits away?
CamP wrote:
Someone totally missed the point.
mcopsey wrote:
Yes, yes you did.
What does outsourcing have to do with the government taxing all their profits away? Are you leaping to the conclusion that US Corporations build everything off shore to keep from paying income tax? If you are, then you obviously don't realize that US corporations pay income tax regardless of whether their goods are produced in the US or in China.
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12/26/2009 10:41pm
Nerd wrote:
Land of Opportunism. Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids. Everyone pays to help society, except in some...
Land of Opportunism.

Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids.

Everyone pays to help society, except in some cases for those who need the help.

We have public roads, public schools, public works, public utilities, public land, police departments, fire departments, etc., all of which could be put aside by people who say, "I don't have fires at my house" or "I protect myself" or "I don't need free roads. I'd be happy to pay."

"I've got mine, and you can't have it, so get your own" is not a good attitude for any society. It will eventually break that society down.

And the "I've got mine" crowd seems not to think, sometimes, about the fact that they need society in order to "get mine". Who buys Microsoft products, for example? Just rich folks? No.

In order for Microsoft to CONTINUE to make lots of money, the people in the society they serve need to have JOBS and make MONEY to buy Microsoft products with. If the people are bankrupt from medical bills, they will not have money to buy anything, and this is bad for the "I've got mine" people.

But some of them, as you can see, would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
Outsider wrote:
Well put.

Thanks.

As Benjamin Franklin put it, "All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." -- Benjamin Franklin, writing from Passy as he worked to negotiate the nature of the relationship between France, England and the USA after the Revolutionary War.
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Makes me proud to be Australian, America's health system sucks.
12/27/2009 6:07am
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

Don't disagree with that at all.
12/27/2009 6:10am
Thelen20 wrote:
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting...
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting the money that you would be paying in premiums in the hsa instead (in my case more than the premiums were before). so in that reguard it is MORE expensive out of my pocket week to week. 4k deductable, 6k out of pocket max. 80/20 in network, 60/40 out of network after deductable.

i have only had it this year and have not had to really use it yet. This ins will stop you from goin to the doc because your tummy hurts and that i feel is a good thing. Too many people run to the doc way too fast. Im the type of person that if it aint sticking out of my skin im gona wait and see if it gets better. My wife on the other hand would probly go everyday if i would let her but when you gota foot the whole 75 dollar doc visit plus whatever crap THEY decide you need on your own you will to give it a couple days and see if it gets better. That may sound bad but its worked out so far.

What hospitals charge for services is a joke. 4 stiches=$450, 6 stiches=$750, outpatient arthriscopic shoulder surgery twice=$20k. Lucky for me i was still on my dads awsome free GM employee ins at that time and none of that costed us a dime. But ins like that is quickly going the way of the buffalo. When i got too old to be on his ins (and before i got my current job) i priced ins like my dad had, guess what, i couldnt buy it. Ins like that was flat not offered to an individual. For some halfway decent ins it was gona be 500+ a month for just me. I took my chances and faired just fine for 4 years. Saved myself 24k!

Im not smart enough to know THE problem with healthcare or how to fix it as a whole but i do know that the snakes in washington WILL NOT FIX IT!!! You think they will be subjected to this national healthcare plan? Heck no! They are on the gravy train and they are voting the way that puts the most money in their own pockets!
I hope you understand that your employer is paying a HUGE portion of your health insurance premiums. $26/mo isn't even buying a discount prescription card these days.
12/27/2009 6:14am
ShaneAUS wrote:
Makes me proud to be Australian, America's health system sucks.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. It has worked great for me and mine many times over and no matter what we still live in the greatest country on Earth, oh ya that is IMO.Tongue
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12/27/2009 9:19am
ShaneAUS wrote:
Makes me proud to be Australian, America's health system sucks.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. It has worked great for me and mine many times over and no matter what we still...
Depends on how you look at it I guess. It has worked great for me and mine many times over and no matter what we still live in the greatest country on Earth, oh ya that is IMO.Tongue

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12/27/2009 11:33am
Thelen20 wrote:
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting...
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting the money that you would be paying in premiums in the hsa instead (in my case more than the premiums were before). so in that reguard it is MORE expensive out of my pocket week to week. 4k deductable, 6k out of pocket max. 80/20 in network, 60/40 out of network after deductable.

i have only had it this year and have not had to really use it yet. This ins will stop you from goin to the doc because your tummy hurts and that i feel is a good thing. Too many people run to the doc way too fast. Im the type of person that if it aint sticking out of my skin im gona wait and see if it gets better. My wife on the other hand would probly go everyday if i would let her but when you gota foot the whole 75 dollar doc visit plus whatever crap THEY decide you need on your own you will to give it a couple days and see if it gets better. That may sound bad but its worked out so far.

What hospitals charge for services is a joke. 4 stiches=$450, 6 stiches=$750, outpatient arthriscopic shoulder surgery twice=$20k. Lucky for me i was still on my dads awsome free GM employee ins at that time and none of that costed us a dime. But ins like that is quickly going the way of the buffalo. When i got too old to be on his ins (and before i got my current job) i priced ins like my dad had, guess what, i couldnt buy it. Ins like that was flat not offered to an individual. For some halfway decent ins it was gona be 500+ a month for just me. I took my chances and faired just fine for 4 years. Saved myself 24k!

Im not smart enough to know THE problem with healthcare or how to fix it as a whole but i do know that the snakes in washington WILL NOT FIX IT!!! You think they will be subjected to this national healthcare plan? Heck no! They are on the gravy train and they are voting the way that puts the most money in their own pockets!
I hope you understand that your employer is paying a HUGE portion of your health insurance premiums. $26/mo isn't even buying a discount prescription card these...
I hope you understand that your employer is paying a HUGE portion of your health insurance premiums. $26/mo isn't even buying a discount prescription card these days.
Yes sir i do understand that, i am very blessed to have this job and the benefits that come with it. I am not saying that the ins i have is bad. Just different that what we had before. When you add the premium to what i put in my hsa every month it is more that what we used to pay in premiums for the conventional ins, and like i said, thankfully i really have not had to use it yet so the jury is still out for me on whether it is that much better or not. Haven't made any claims, don't know if they'll pay or not. lol, how sad is that
12/27/2009 8:43pm
Thelen20 wrote:
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting...
i have the hsa account style ins through work, true low premiums (13 bucks every 2 weeks) but its the same difference because you're just putting the money that you would be paying in premiums in the hsa instead (in my case more than the premiums were before). so in that reguard it is MORE expensive out of my pocket week to week. 4k deductable, 6k out of pocket max. 80/20 in network, 60/40 out of network after deductable.

i have only had it this year and have not had to really use it yet. This ins will stop you from goin to the doc because your tummy hurts and that i feel is a good thing. Too many people run to the doc way too fast. Im the type of person that if it aint sticking out of my skin im gona wait and see if it gets better. My wife on the other hand would probly go everyday if i would let her but when you gota foot the whole 75 dollar doc visit plus whatever crap THEY decide you need on your own you will to give it a couple days and see if it gets better. That may sound bad but its worked out so far.

What hospitals charge for services is a joke. 4 stiches=$450, 6 stiches=$750, outpatient arthriscopic shoulder surgery twice=$20k. Lucky for me i was still on my dads awsome free GM employee ins at that time and none of that costed us a dime. But ins like that is quickly going the way of the buffalo. When i got too old to be on his ins (and before i got my current job) i priced ins like my dad had, guess what, i couldnt buy it. Ins like that was flat not offered to an individual. For some halfway decent ins it was gona be 500+ a month for just me. I took my chances and faired just fine for 4 years. Saved myself 24k!

Im not smart enough to know THE problem with healthcare or how to fix it as a whole but i do know that the snakes in washington WILL NOT FIX IT!!! You think they will be subjected to this national healthcare plan? Heck no! They are on the gravy train and they are voting the way that puts the most money in their own pockets!
I hope you understand that your employer is paying a HUGE portion of your health insurance premiums. $26/mo isn't even buying a discount prescription card these...
I hope you understand that your employer is paying a HUGE portion of your health insurance premiums. $26/mo isn't even buying a discount prescription card these days.
Thelen20 wrote:
Yes sir i do understand that, i am very blessed to have this job and the benefits that come with it. I am not saying that...
Yes sir i do understand that, i am very blessed to have this job and the benefits that come with it. I am not saying that the ins i have is bad. Just different that what we had before. When you add the premium to what i put in my hsa every month it is more that what we used to pay in premiums for the conventional ins, and like i said, thankfully i really have not had to use it yet so the jury is still out for me on whether it is that much better or not. Haven't made any claims, don't know if they'll pay or not. lol, how sad is that
The beauty is you will be able to use those HSA dollars for things that your insurance might not cover. If you don't know you can google HSA and see what stuff is eligible. No one knows how good or bad their insurance is until they use it. Laughing
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12/27/2009 8:54pm
CamP wrote:
Someone totally missed the point.
mcopsey wrote:
Yes, yes you did.
CamP wrote:
What does outsourcing have to do with the government taxing all their profits away? Are you leaping to the conclusion that US Corporations build everything off...
What does outsourcing have to do with the government taxing all their profits away? Are you leaping to the conclusion that US Corporations build everything off shore to keep from paying income tax? If you are, then you obviously don't realize that US corporations pay income tax regardless of whether their goods are produced in the US or in China.
Do you really need an answer? You honestly think that all taxes are based on income? I'm stopping now because I realize I'm arguing with a wall.
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12/27/2009 8:59pm
mcopsey wrote:
Do you really need an answer? You honestly think that all taxes are based on income? I'm stopping now because I realize I'm arguing with a...
Do you really need an answer? You honestly think that all taxes are based on income? I'm stopping now because I realize I'm arguing with a wall.
Lay off the stupid juice. American corporations moved production off shore to cut labor costs, not because they were getting taxed to death.
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12/27/2009 9:03pm
Well it's obvious you didn't answer my question about taxes but that's fine, property taxes have nothing to do with it, SS taxes have nothing to do with it, 1:1 payroll taxes have nothing to do with it...

Labor costs have some to do with the moves but they are not the end all be all.

Stupid juice? Really? How old are you?
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12/27/2009 9:20pm
mcopsey wrote:
Well it's obvious you didn't answer my question about taxes but that's fine, property taxes have nothing to do with it, SS taxes have nothing to...
Well it's obvious you didn't answer my question about taxes but that's fine, property taxes have nothing to do with it, SS taxes have nothing to do with it, 1:1 payroll taxes have nothing to do with it...

Labor costs have some to do with the moves but they are not the end all be all.

Stupid juice? Really? How old are you?
Property taxes? A large company can get tax abatements all day long from regions that are trying to bring industry in. This is done all the time to encourage businesses to relocate, expand, and retain facilities in a community.

Social Security? We've had social security taxes in this country for 70 years. That shouldn't be any deal breaker. It certainly isn't for the guys I know that have 100+ man companies making things like aerospace parts, store fixtures and corrugated cardboard machines right here in the USA.

If you think that American companies have to move their manufacturing to China to make ends meet, you are a dumbass and it's dumbasses that choose to buy low quality imported products for cheap that allow that business model work.

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12/28/2009 8:58am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2009 8:58am
CamP wrote:
Property taxes? A large company can get tax abatements all day long from regions that are trying to bring industry in. This is done all the...
Property taxes? A large company can get tax abatements all day long from regions that are trying to bring industry in. This is done all the time to encourage businesses to relocate, expand, and retain facilities in a community.

Social Security? We've had social security taxes in this country for 70 years. That shouldn't be any deal breaker. It certainly isn't for the guys I know that have 100+ man companies making things like aerospace parts, store fixtures and corrugated cardboard machines right here in the USA.

If you think that American companies have to move their manufacturing to China to make ends meet, you are a dumbass and it's dumbasses that choose to buy low quality imported products for cheap that allow that business model work.

You're right CamP. BIG time tax abatement incentives for setting up shop around here. Problem is, those greedy bastards that will take advantage of the program (five years worth) will take off and set up elsewhere (overseas?) when the free-ride runs out.
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12/28/2009 11:03am
“We are free today substantially, but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic can not stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.” -- James Madison
12/28/2009 10:38pm
Nerd wrote:
Land of Opportunism. Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids. Everyone pays to help society, except in some...
Land of Opportunism.

Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids.

Everyone pays to help society, except in some cases for those who need the help.

We have public roads, public schools, public works, public utilities, public land, police departments, fire departments, etc., all of which could be put aside by people who say, "I don't have fires at my house" or "I protect myself" or "I don't need free roads. I'd be happy to pay."

"I've got mine, and you can't have it, so get your own" is not a good attitude for any society. It will eventually break that society down.

And the "I've got mine" crowd seems not to think, sometimes, about the fact that they need society in order to "get mine". Who buys Microsoft products, for example? Just rich folks? No.

In order for Microsoft to CONTINUE to make lots of money, the people in the society they serve need to have JOBS and make MONEY to buy Microsoft products with. If the people are bankrupt from medical bills, they will not have money to buy anything, and this is bad for the "I've got mine" people.

But some of them, as you can see, would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
What? You mean if a bunch of people who don't have access to any health care because they weren't capable of "Getting there's" that might have negative impact on society as a whole?
12/28/2009 10:41pm
As Benjamin Franklin put it, "All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." -- Benjamin Franklin, writing from Passy as he worked to negotiate the nature of the relationship between France, England and the USA after the Revolutionary War.

That's pretty awesome
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12/28/2009 11:01pm
Nerd wrote:
Land of Opportunism. Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids. Everyone pays to help society, except in some...
Land of Opportunism.

Look, I pay property taxes, which pays for local schools, and I don't have kids.

Everyone pays to help society, except in some cases for those who need the help.

We have public roads, public schools, public works, public utilities, public land, police departments, fire departments, etc., all of which could be put aside by people who say, "I don't have fires at my house" or "I protect myself" or "I don't need free roads. I'd be happy to pay."

"I've got mine, and you can't have it, so get your own" is not a good attitude for any society. It will eventually break that society down.

And the "I've got mine" crowd seems not to think, sometimes, about the fact that they need society in order to "get mine". Who buys Microsoft products, for example? Just rich folks? No.

In order for Microsoft to CONTINUE to make lots of money, the people in the society they serve need to have JOBS and make MONEY to buy Microsoft products with. If the people are bankrupt from medical bills, they will not have money to buy anything, and this is bad for the "I've got mine" people.

But some of them, as you can see, would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
What? You mean if a bunch of people who don't have access to any health care because they weren't capable of "Getting there's" that might have...
What? You mean if a bunch of people who don't have access to any health care because they weren't capable of "Getting there's" that might have negative impact on society as a whole?
Crazy, huh?
12/28/2009 11:25pm
Nerd wrote:
Crazy, huh?
You mean if a bunch of people who don't have access to any health care because they weren't capable of "Getting there's" that might have negative impact on society as a whole?

When I use the word bunch in this statement It means MILLIONS OF AMERCANS!


Bunch= MILLIONS OF AMERICANS

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS = human beings
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12/29/2009 1:30am
couldnt these human beings go to the county hospital?
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12/29/2009 8:09am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:39pm
[b]As Benjamin Franklin put it, "All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species...
As Benjamin Franklin put it, "All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." -- Benjamin Franklin, writing from Passy as he worked to negotiate the nature of the relationship between France, England and the USA after the Revolutionary War.

That's pretty awesome
So what does Mr. Franklin's quote mean? Limits to property ownership? Compensation caps? Redistribution of wealth?

If so, who sets the bar? The current progressive tax structure already enforces redistribution to some degree. What defines "conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species"? As a "property owner" with 1.2 acres, do I possess more than what's required?

What is the individual's net benefit to employing Franklin's philosophy? Stripping the wealthy of their property does not necessarily improve the position of the common man. However, restricting earning potentials will adversely affect society.

Examples do exist where individuals have been outrageously compensated, and corruption seeps its way through various public and private agencies. However, if these problems were corrected, it would result in only nominal improvements to the average person.

Also, let's be cautious in what we put in the hands of the "publick". That same group would have the likes of you & me (motorcyclists) banished without a second thought...
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12/29/2009 9:43am
bvm111 wrote:
couldnt these human beings go to the county hospital?
Which is paid for by?
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12/29/2009 10:30am
that was my point!

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