Chad Reed, and Stewart aren't much different speed wise.

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"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least...
"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least one big crash per season which will make the points battle close."


I think a few of you are getting it right with the comparison of Chad and James. I too think that James maybe the fastest thing on two wheels ever. However keeping it on 2 wheels is the key. I don't know if I agree with "rope a dope" , but being mister consistent, and not getting to rattled on the track is what makes Chad a constant threat to who ever is on the track with him. James is usually the only one that beats James.


Wish I had about a 10th of there speed and skills.........................
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
12/26/2009 6:36am
chillrich wrote:
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for...
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
Really? How did that strategy work out for him last year?
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In my opinion Chad's nemesis before James are his starts. If he gets his starts down, there will be much better racing.
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No worry's, if James is out front then Chad will just try to take him out. Remember Las Vegas? After Chad tried to take James out the announcers sugar coated it so much I thought I was at a donut convention. So according TO Chad he needs to make James crash to beat him. Now this is according the Chad based on his actions.

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His actions? When did he try to take him out? Las vegas was proving a point. I am not sure
if you ride yourself, he could of cleaned him out very easily in that situation. Mr. G? What a joke.
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Zycki11 wrote:
His actions? When did he try to take him out? Las vegas was proving a point. I am not sure if you ride yourself, he could...
His actions? When did he try to take him out? Las vegas was proving a point. I am not sure
if you ride yourself, he could of cleaned him out very easily in that situation. Mr. G? What a joke.
I think it's as much a joke as saying Chisolm changed the outcome of the series.

Neither event influenced the outcome in my opinion.
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You are correct, he could have cleaned him out more. But he obviously rode slow until James caught up and then ran him off the track. Don't you remember Ricky C and the other announcers wondering what Chad was doing? If Chad thought he could beat James by going faster he would do so, he would not try to take him out. Again this is based on Chads actions not my opinion. This of course has nothing to do with Chad being a nice guy, he seems to be to me. And this has nothing to do with him being the second fastest guy on the planet. How many people can say that.
One more thing, Chad has seemed to have stepped it up since Ricky left, not enough to eclipse James but if he can step it up more then maybe he will have something for James. we will see.
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12/26/2009 9:08am
chillrich wrote:
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for...
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
Really? How did that strategy work out for him last year?
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and 1 out of 4 MX seasons.
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12/26/2009 9:10am
Mr. G wrote:
You are correct, he could have cleaned him out more. But he obviously rode slow until James caught up and then ran him off the track...
You are correct, he could have cleaned him out more. But he obviously rode slow until James caught up and then ran him off the track. Don't you remember Ricky C and the other announcers wondering what Chad was doing? If Chad thought he could beat James by going faster he would do so, he would not try to take him out. Again this is based on Chads actions not my opinion. This of course has nothing to do with Chad being a nice guy, he seems to be to me. And this has nothing to do with him being the second fastest guy on the planet. How many people can say that.
One more thing, Chad has seemed to have stepped it up since Ricky left, not enough to eclipse James but if he can step it up more then maybe he will have something for James. we will see.
If Chad thought he could beat James by going faster he would do so, he would not try to take him out

He ran him wide in the corner because just beating James wouldn't have given him enough points to win the series...
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"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least...
"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least one big crash per season which will make the points battle close."


I think a few of you are getting it right with the comparison of Chad and James. I too think that James maybe the fastest thing on two wheels ever. However keeping it on 2 wheels is the key. I don't know if I agree with "rope a dope" , but being mister consistent, and not getting to rattled on the track is what makes Chad a constant threat to who ever is on the track with him. James is usually the only one that beats James.


Wish I had about a 10th of there speed and skills.........................
chillrich wrote:
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for...
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
If Reed is not willing to take a chance on winning a race or crash trying he will never ever be able to beat Stewart. He had half of a season last yr to take take a chance and win the title on his own but he chose the losers strategy and wanted Stewart to win it for him. That stradegy will never work.

The old saying of you can win the title at the first race but you can lose it does not apply in SX this yr. RV,Reed and Dungey have one race to prove they can beat Stewart. If Stewart beats them then its all over but the crying and those 3 guys will be fighting for Stewarts table scraps.
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Point in case. Reed wasn't trying to take him out. Carmichael mentioned the situation as a whole wasn't good for the race itself. I do agree with your take on Chad and I hope your right.
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12/26/2009 10:00am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:38pm
"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least...
"It might be true that Chad has never beaten James when he hasn't crashed, but it's also true that James will almost certainly have at least one big crash per season which will make the points battle close."


I think a few of you are getting it right with the comparison of Chad and James. I too think that James maybe the fastest thing on two wheels ever. However keeping it on 2 wheels is the key. I don't know if I agree with "rope a dope" , but being mister consistent, and not getting to rattled on the track is what makes Chad a constant threat to who ever is on the track with him. James is usually the only one that beats James.


Wish I had about a 10th of there speed and skills.........................
chillrich wrote:
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for...
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
RMZ819 wrote:
If Reed is not willing to take a chance on winning a race or crash trying he will never ever be able to beat Stewart. He...
If Reed is not willing to take a chance on winning a race or crash trying he will never ever be able to beat Stewart. He had half of a season last yr to take take a chance and win the title on his own but he chose the losers strategy and wanted Stewart to win it for him. That stradegy will never work.

The old saying of you can win the title at the first race but you can lose it does not apply in SX this yr. RV,Reed and Dungey have one race to prove they can beat Stewart. If Stewart beats them then its all over but the crying and those 3 guys will be fighting for Stewarts table scraps.
He had half of a season last yr to take take a chance and win the title on his own but he chose the losers strategy and wanted Stewart to win it for him. That stradegy will never work.

I wouldn't call it a loser's strategy in RC's case, but RC definitely used James to beat James and it worked in SX '05 & '06. James had the goods to straight up beat RC in SX from the very beginning of his rookie season, but he didn't yet have the resolve of a racer to win a series. James was willing to risk it all in a given race that would, in turn, cost him the series. Ricky was willing to settle for the box and win the series. RC's best strategy against James was James himself. The difference is that JS vs. RC was much more of a rivalry than JS vs. CR.

The old saying of you can win the title at the first race but you can lose it does not apply in SX this yr. RV,Reed and Dungey have one race to prove they can beat Stewart. If Stewart beats them then its all over but the crying and those 3 guys will be fighting for Stewarts table scraps.

Of course it applies in SX. Why wouldn't it? If you think James can't have an A1 that will ultimately lose him the title you're completely disrespecting the Reed, Villopoto, Grant, etc. Listen, what if at A1 last year the tangle between Chad and James happened on the first lap and James got 20th instead of 19th and Chad finished 1st instead of 3rd? The season ended that close that that could have made the difference. Most of the pressure is on James, not Chad or RV.
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Ya know mr raddad, you are also dam lucky to post on here. It sounds like you don't like to hear the truth.
[color=blue]Well, the truth is...raddad is correct in this case, and your luck has run out. Please feel free to post at RonRon, MotoNews, or www.I'maSuperBadassBecauseiCallPeopleNamesOnTheInterweb.com, or wherever else your heart desires, except for here...//TJ [/color]
12/28/2009 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2009 6:42pm
chillrich wrote:
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for...
With rope a dope my thought is, he is on JS's back wheel, he can step it up and risk a crash or just wait for JS to crash. And its a safe bet he will crash, it's a numbers game.
Really? How did that strategy work out for him last year?
ando wrote:
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and...
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and 1 out of 4 MX seasons.
Ya a lot of championships are won on almosts. So he has completed more SX seasons than he hasn't. Not sure how you play odds but would you be interested in a high stakes poker game?
12/28/2009 6:43pm
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Ya know mr raddad, you are also dam lucky to post on here. It sounds like you don't like to hear the truth.
TJ wrote:
[color=blue]Well, the truth is...raddad is correct in this case, and your luck has run out. Please feel free to post at RonRon, MotoNews, or www.I'maSuperBadassBecauseiCallPeopleNamesOnTheInterweb.com, or...
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12/28/2009 6:45pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Point in case. Reed wasn't trying to take him out. Carmichael mentioned the situation as a whole wasn't good for the race itself. I do agree...
Point in case. Reed wasn't trying to take him out. Carmichael mentioned the situation as a whole wasn't good for the race itself. I do agree with your take on Chad and I hope your right.
Funny how Carmichael said more than once in the SLC or StL race????, forgive me it has been a long Monday, that JS was waiting on CR so he could take him out. JS never came close to putting a take out move on CR.
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Zycki11 wrote:
Point in case. Reed wasn't trying to take him out. Carmichael mentioned the situation as a whole wasn't good for the race itself. I do agree...
Point in case. Reed wasn't trying to take him out. Carmichael mentioned the situation as a whole wasn't good for the race itself. I do agree with your take on Chad and I hope your right.
Funny how Carmichael said more than once in the SLC or StL race????, forgive me it has been a long Monday, that JS was waiting on...
Funny how Carmichael said more than once in the SLC or StL race????, forgive me it has been a long Monday, that JS was waiting on CR so he could take him out. JS never came close to putting a take out move on CR.
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Really? How did that strategy work out for him last year?
ando wrote:
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and...
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and 1 out of 4 MX seasons.
Ya a lot of championships are won on almosts. So he has completed more SX seasons than he hasn't. Not sure how you play odds but...
Ya a lot of championships are won on almosts. So he has completed more SX seasons than he hasn't. Not sure how you play odds but would you be interested in a high stakes poker game?
My point is that Reed has a strategy. All things being equal Stewart is faster, but Reed is close enough that other things come into play. James Stewart does have a weakness - he crashes more than Reed. It might not be much but it's enough for Reed to exploit, especially when, apart from his own speed, that is Reed's strong suit.

Four points across a championship is a very small gap - it's less than the difference between first and third. That difference could be gained or lossed by a missed gear shift, mechanical fault, first turn pile up etc. Although he'll take it, I'm sure James doesn't want to be in the same situation next season, because the odds are that it will fall a different way next time.

From your username I'm sure you know that poker is about much more than the odds. Surely that's not how you play poker - with everything riding on the whether the river is an ace or a 10?
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ando wrote:
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and...
It almost worked. And based on history the odds are that it will work again. James has only completed 3 out of 5 SX seasons and 1 out of 4 MX seasons.
Ya a lot of championships are won on almosts. So he has completed more SX seasons than he hasn't. Not sure how you play odds but...
Ya a lot of championships are won on almosts. So he has completed more SX seasons than he hasn't. Not sure how you play odds but would you be interested in a high stakes poker game?
ando wrote:
My point is that Reed has a strategy. All things being equal Stewart is faster, but Reed is close enough that other things come into play...
My point is that Reed has a strategy. All things being equal Stewart is faster, but Reed is close enough that other things come into play. James Stewart does have a weakness - he crashes more than Reed. It might not be much but it's enough for Reed to exploit, especially when, apart from his own speed, that is Reed's strong suit.

Four points across a championship is a very small gap - it's less than the difference between first and third. That difference could be gained or lossed by a missed gear shift, mechanical fault, first turn pile up etc. Although he'll take it, I'm sure James doesn't want to be in the same situation next season, because the odds are that it will fall a different way next time.

From your username I'm sure you know that poker is about much more than the odds. Surely that's not how you play poker - with everything riding on the whether the river is an ace or a 10?
All things being equal Stewart is faster, but Reed is close enough that other things come into play.

That's the thing, all things aren't equal. Maybe starts are equal, but corner speed, jumps, whoops, willingness to ride the edge adds up to James being superior by an obvious notch that I'd think anyone could see. How many times, over the years, has Chad caught, passed and gapped James? Maybe it'll start this year.

Four points across a championship is a very small gap - it's less than the difference between first and third.

I agree that 4 points is a small gap, but tell more of the story. Chad had an 18 point lead that was completely taken from him with a 4 point cushion at the end. So, on the one hand, you can say it's "a small gap" or you could ask "what happened? You had an 18 point lead!"

I'm not a fanatic or a hater, but I do call it like I see it.
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12/29/2009 8:14am Edited Date/Time 12/29/2009 8:15am
I think what Ando is getting at is that James is clearly faster but seems to have trouble putting a whole season together without some difficulty. Yes he came back from an 18 point deficit to have a 4 point lead but why did he have a deficit to start with? Over the course of a season odds are pretty good that James will have a dnf or a really poor finnish and that is what keeps Chad so close with his strategy of consistency.
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I think what Ando is getting at is that James is clearly faster but seems to have trouble putting a whole season together without some difficulty...
I think what Ando is getting at is that James is clearly faster but seems to have trouble putting a whole season together without some difficulty. Yes he came back from an 18 point deficit to have a 4 point lead but why did he have a deficit to start with? Over the course of a season odds are pretty good that James will have a dnf or a really poor finnish and that is what keeps Chad so close with his strategy of consistency.
That trend of trouble seems to be changing with a clearly dominate '09SX and an undeafeated '08MX being his most recent seasons. That said, I've learned to enjoy James whenever I can see him ride because, you're right, James' strong suit, overall, hasn't been completing seasons. Chad, on the other hand, I always have confidence that he'll be on the starting gate and I'm especially thrilled that he'll be racing MX for the next 2 seasons.

Chad and James - 2 different styles and strategies. Also 2 legends of our sport.
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12/29/2009 8:38am
On and Off Topic: will the 2010 YZ450F improve James' performance? The somewhat-mythological YamaBog was an alleged culprit at A1 last year (gone with EFI), and judging by James' results at the US Open, he looks more comfortable on the new bike (especially in corners, where he could pivot the YZ like a two-stroke).

While Chad is riding the 450 class beast, will it be enough to keep pace with Mr. Stewart?

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