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12/23/2009 3:58pm
Weave wrote:
10 years ago it was a Czech study that said smokers cost less in the long run. Now it's Sweden? Is this fact or urban legend...
10 years ago it was a Czech study that said smokers cost less in the long run. Now it's Sweden? Is this fact or urban legend? Like the $700 tetanus shot, maybe there's more to the story than meets the eye.

When the government starts mandating physicians' earnings (or any professional field's earnings for that matter), you will inevitably see a decline in the caliber of person going into that profession. The road to obtaining an MD is filled with obstacles, both educational and financial. Many exit med school with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans, and will scrape by at about $30K/year during residency and internship. Start-up cost are nothing to sneeze at, and while some do live quite well, the vast majority of doctors don't live in million dollar homes and drive Bentleys.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a $500K per year anestisialogist (sp?) working on my noodle than some flunkie who took the job 'cause the government set pay at $150K. And let's face it, if anyone on this board could pull down half a mil annually as a physician, we'd be doing it.
No, there is not more than meets the eye. I walked in and asked for a tetanus shot. They wanted to x-ray for any foreign matter that may have been impaled into my foot and declined, reiterating that I just needed a tetanus shot. They gave me a tetanus shot without so much as cleaning the wound or applying a band-aid. I had to stop by Walgreens to pick up band-aids afterwards. Got the bill in the mail a couple of weeks later for $700. I can have my wife dig up the bill and scan it for you if you are still skeptical.

I read the report on the Swedish study of smokers vs non-smokers about a year ago. It was in the news, not something I just pulled out of my ass. It interested me because I was a smoker at the time.
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12/23/2009 4:00pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

Bingo.
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12/23/2009 4:01pm
...and out of which country did the report that motocross was the second-toughest sport behind soccer originate from? Wink
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12/23/2009 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:36pm
Anyone ever wonder how many people in this country would like to participate in motocross, but can't afford insurance? Or the number of people who can't...
Anyone ever wonder how many people in this country would like to participate in motocross, but can't afford insurance?

Or the number of people who can't afford to fix their bikes, because they have to pay insurance bills?


If anything, a public option is GOOD for this sport.
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing.

but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros. not the greedy fuckass pricks, the kind that have tanked this country into shit. oh and the fags and abortions don't help either...lmao

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12/23/2009 4:05pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

Agreed...

I just wish our politicians would vote for what WE want... plain and simple.

Pretty sure we elected, and also pay these guys right? Including their healthcare.... WOW.

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JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

dude, the army guy...you know the smartest dude in america said it is fine, leave it be. 18 years in the army will do that to ya. so please take "all" out of yer post please.
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12/23/2009 4:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:36pm
bvm111 wrote:
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as...
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as long as I can remember, this was to illustrate that there will be rationing with a single payer system like you have in Canada…. But he did get them done and I will admit they look great! The lottery I am referring to was widely reported on CNN, MSNBC and FOX news. 'Patient Lottery' in Gander, NF Will Provide Better Care for Almost 2,000 Residents. In summary....Generally speaking there is a shortage of Doctors in rural Canada and they had to resort to a Lottery to decide out of those that did not have a primary care physician who would get to see the 2 new doctors in the area. I never said that all of Canada had lotteries but they do exist, so I am not lying out of my ass! I have never said that the Cost of healthcare here is not out of control, because it is. I do believe the reliance on insurance to go see the doctor when it is not necessary has artificially inflated the cost to see a doctor (and I wont even mention the undocumented workers using the emergency rooms as doctors offices.) I also used my experience in the Military to illustrate that a government run healthcare system is not the solution to our situation here in America, It sounds wonderful on the outside looking in but if you don’t believe me walk into any VA hospital and ask our Grandmothers and Grandfathers that have served our country what its like to wait for hours to get some aspirin! Now since this thread has spiraled out of control… with admittedly a lot of pot stirring from myself…. I would like to recommend to GuyB that it get flushed… although it has been entertaining Evil Whistling
Yo, captain America, maybe we could focus our tax money on better health care instead of blowing it on defense shit like that tank in your avatar. How much did that thing cost to R&D, build, and then maintain? And all just to patrol a road in bum-fuck Iraq? Good use of tax money there. Sinking over $28 billion on the F-22 is also a good use of our tax money. Got to keep the skies clean of...ummm...stuff? I'm sure the people building M-16's for the military appreciate our tax dollars and thank you for shooting at people in the desert so they can sell more bullets.
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12/23/2009 4:07pm
Weave wrote:
10 years ago it was a Czech study that said smokers cost less in the long run. Now it's Sweden? Is this fact or urban legend...
10 years ago it was a Czech study that said smokers cost less in the long run. Now it's Sweden? Is this fact or urban legend? Like the $700 tetanus shot, maybe there's more to the story than meets the eye.

When the government starts mandating physicians' earnings (or any professional field's earnings for that matter), you will inevitably see a decline in the caliber of person going into that profession. The road to obtaining an MD is filled with obstacles, both educational and financial. Many exit med school with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans, and will scrape by at about $30K/year during residency and internship. Start-up cost are nothing to sneeze at, and while some do live quite well, the vast majority of doctors don't live in million dollar homes and drive Bentleys.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a $500K per year anestisialogist (sp?) working on my noodle than some flunkie who took the job 'cause the government set pay at $150K. And let's face it, if anyone on this board could pull down half a mil annually as a physician, we'd be doing it.
Sorry, it was a Dutch study. I couldn't find the actual article but it's mentioned Fox new article here.

Smokers cost less
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Anyone ever wonder how many people in this country would like to participate in motocross, but can't afford insurance? Or the number of people who can't...
Anyone ever wonder how many people in this country would like to participate in motocross, but can't afford insurance?

Or the number of people who can't afford to fix their bikes, because they have to pay insurance bills?


If anything, a public option is GOOD for this sport.
BobbyM wrote:
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing. but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros...
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing.

but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros. not the greedy fuckass pricks, the kind that have tanked this country into shit. oh and the fags and abortions don't help either...lmao
Hahaha ohhh this isnt a laughing matter but that was funny i must say.
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12/23/2009 4:09pm
bvm111 wrote:
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as...
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as long as I can remember, this was to illustrate that there will be rationing with a single payer system like you have in Canada…. But he did get them done and I will admit they look great! The lottery I am referring to was widely reported on CNN, MSNBC and FOX news. 'Patient Lottery' in Gander, NF Will Provide Better Care for Almost 2,000 Residents. In summary....Generally speaking there is a shortage of Doctors in rural Canada and they had to resort to a Lottery to decide out of those that did not have a primary care physician who would get to see the 2 new doctors in the area. I never said that all of Canada had lotteries but they do exist, so I am not lying out of my ass! I have never said that the Cost of healthcare here is not out of control, because it is. I do believe the reliance on insurance to go see the doctor when it is not necessary has artificially inflated the cost to see a doctor (and I wont even mention the undocumented workers using the emergency rooms as doctors offices.) I also used my experience in the Military to illustrate that a government run healthcare system is not the solution to our situation here in America, It sounds wonderful on the outside looking in but if you don’t believe me walk into any VA hospital and ask our Grandmothers and Grandfathers that have served our country what its like to wait for hours to get some aspirin! Now since this thread has spiraled out of control… with admittedly a lot of pot stirring from myself…. I would like to recommend to GuyB that it get flushed… although it has been entertaining Evil Whistling
ShookOne wrote:
Yo, captain America, maybe we could focus our tax money on better health care instead of blowing it on defense shit like that tank in your...
Yo, captain America, maybe we could focus our tax money on better health care instead of blowing it on defense shit like that tank in your avatar. How much did that thing cost to R&D, build, and then maintain? And all just to patrol a road in bum-fuck Iraq? Good use of tax money there. Sinking over $28 billion on the F-22 is also a good use of our tax money. Got to keep the skies clean of...ummm...stuff? I'm sure the people building M-16's for the military appreciate our tax dollars and thank you for shooting at people in the desert so they can sell more bullets.
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fuck the illegals, but when the ER folks are working and there isn't anybody in the ER are they still getting paid their wages? or do those wages only kick in when a mescan comes in? just wondering....
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12/23/2009 4:18pm
BobbyM wrote:
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing. but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros...
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing.

but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros. not the greedy fuckass pricks, the kind that have tanked this country into shit. oh and the fags and abortions don't help either...lmao
Merry Christmas, Bobby. I see you're in the holiday spirit already.

My present to you? A few days off from the board. (Shaking head.)
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12/23/2009 4:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:36pm
If your invoice said "Tetanus Shot - $700", then there is a problem with your insurance plan. Either they failed to itemize other cost, or somebody screwed up a keystroke. Examples like that are exceptions, not the rule.

The concept that non-smokers incur more cost than smokers conceptually has merit. I could see where a smoker's shorter lifespan will result in lower TOTAL cost. However, the AVERAGE cost per year for a smoker could be higher than a non-smoker, and health care cost are typically measured annually. Of course, I'm pulling this logic out of my rectum...

Will a public option help MX/SX? Marginally, maybe. Depends on what the public option will cover. Don't expect blanket coverage on par with the top private programs. It's going to resemble a soup kitchen, where physicians and coverage are strictly monitored and controlled. Complaints about cost will take a back seat to the abysmal service one can expect while waiting in line with the masses.

But hey, the average motocrosser probably pulls down less than $50K per year, so his marginal tax base is already
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12/23/2009 4:30pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

I hate socialism.

Except with roads. And schools. And parks. And beaches (parks, I guess). And police. And fire departments. And military. And national monuments. And colleges. And taking care of poor people. And making sure old people get cared for.

Besides that stuff, though, socialism is despicable.
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12/23/2009 4:37pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could...
Seem's like there is a serious insurance problem with people who ride dirt bikes. Question for any of you MX Mom and Dad's - how could you justify sending your kid out on the track knowing he doesn't have sufficient disability insurance and/or sufficient medial insurance?

Is it irresponsible to take such HUGE LIFE CHANGING risks knowing your not properly insured?

Regardless of the term "socialist" and how people feel about it, the public option, and even the single payer plan are not forms of socialized medicine. They are possibly forms of socialized insurance, but that is all irrelevant to the issues.

The questions and fears people have range from outlandish, to completely legitimate. For example, but not limited to: how and who is going to pay for this, what kind of limitations will there be, and do I feel comfortable letting the government control the insurance sector?

Broke? yes, absolutely. But so are the manufacturing industry, wall street, and most notably, DC. (no, not our beloved moto leader)

I'd say the problems with the insurance industry go alot deeper than anything D.C. can just step in and fix by throwing money at it. Especially considering the folks in Washington aren't exactly shooting straight. Matter of fact, with how corrupt politics are and always have been, have they ever really been straight shooters?
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12/23/2009 4:38pm
BobbyM wrote:
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing. but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros...
and making illegals have health insurance is a good thing, not a bad thing.

but like any good refuckmeagain it's all the mescans faults...and the negros. not the greedy fuckass pricks, the kind that have tanked this country into shit. oh and the fags and abortions don't help either...lmao
GuyB wrote:
Merry Christmas, Bobby. I see you're in the holiday spirit already.

My present to you? A few days off from the board. (Shaking head.)
No, that is a present for ALL of us, not BobbyM.
12/23/2009 4:43pm
As far as the high costs of medical/ insurance, imo one of the contributing factors has to be the sky rocketing cost of med mal prac ins, i read in newsweek at a drs office and it said they pay well depending on pratice or speciallty upwards of 100 - 250 k for premiums, that and all the frivoulous lawsuits contribute also to it and it all gets passed straight thru to people with reg ins, not the medicaid /medicare or cash payers. but the cost are outragious and it needs to be fixed, and to fix it state and fed laws about med lawsuit limits have to be changed now this is all imo and we all no what there likeLaughing man i would like to be at the C Craig ride day to help a fellow rider, Get Well soon Christian.
on a another note still lmao off at the NO DENT bike from craigs list, i told my dad and he thought it was funny and hes a stick in the mud lol
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As far as the high costs of medical/ insurance, imo one of the contributing factors has to be the sky rocketing cost of med mal prac...
As far as the high costs of medical/ insurance, imo one of the contributing factors has to be the sky rocketing cost of med mal prac ins, i read in newsweek at a drs office and it said they pay well depending on pratice or speciallty upwards of 100 - 250 k for premiums, that and all the frivoulous lawsuits contribute also to it and it all gets passed straight thru to people with reg ins, not the medicaid /medicare or cash payers. but the cost are outragious and it needs to be fixed, and to fix it state and fed laws about med lawsuit limits have to be changed now this is all imo and we all no what there likeLaughing man i would like to be at the C Craig ride day to help a fellow rider, Get Well soon Christian.
on a another note still lmao off at the NO DENT bike from craigs list, i told my dad and he thought it was funny and hes a stick in the mud lol
They spend that much on insurance, but the actual EXPENDITURES due to malpractice are less than 1% of the total spent in the healthcare industry.
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12/23/2009 4:52pm
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HMO doctors already use the "turn and burn" approach. The system is broken, and getting worse. Don't really understand the flag waving guys that are cool...
HMO doctors already use the "turn and burn" approach.

The system is broken, and getting worse. Don't really understand the flag waving guys that are cool with paying out the ass for insurance, but, scared to death of any tax increase.

You couldn't be more right! The Right listens to lying drug addicts like Glen Beck and look into nothing themselves to see what is factual. I've spoken to many Canadian's over the years and there healthcare is far from what the Nazi Right Wing trys to make it out to be. By the way I beleive anyone that is way on the right or left is a wacko.

Our system is F up big time. One of you blow hard flag waving aholes lose your insurance with pre-exisisting condition like myself and try to find insurance. I haven't been on a bike in 5-6 months because of it. Is that freedom????????????
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12/23/2009 5:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:36pm
bvm111 wrote:
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as...
Hey rooster... I said he had to wait 6 years to get his dental implants done, he had ill fitting old man choppers for almost as long as I can remember, this was to illustrate that there will be rationing with a single payer system like you have in Canada…. But he did get them done and I will admit they look great! The lottery I am referring to was widely reported on CNN, MSNBC and FOX news. 'Patient Lottery' in Gander, NF Will Provide Better Care for Almost 2,000 Residents. In summary....Generally speaking there is a shortage of Doctors in rural Canada and they had to resort to a Lottery to decide out of those that did not have a primary care physician who would get to see the 2 new doctors in the area. I never said that all of Canada had lotteries but they do exist, so I am not lying out of my ass! I have never said that the Cost of healthcare here is not out of control, because it is. I do believe the reliance on insurance to go see the doctor when it is not necessary has artificially inflated the cost to see a doctor (and I wont even mention the undocumented workers using the emergency rooms as doctors offices.) I also used my experience in the Military to illustrate that a government run healthcare system is not the solution to our situation here in America, It sounds wonderful on the outside looking in but if you don’t believe me walk into any VA hospital and ask our Grandmothers and Grandfathers that have served our country what its like to wait for hours to get some aspirin! Now since this thread has spiraled out of control… with admittedly a lot of pot stirring from myself…. I would like to recommend to GuyB that it get flushed… although it has been entertaining Evil Whistling
Well I'm surprised he even got them then as dental isn't covered under our system.


I paid $1200 to have a wisdom tooth extracted a few years ago. Or about $125 for a cleaning and checkup with x-rays. $200 with a filling. So there's times we have to dip into our pockets as well. Like I said before, ours is not a perfect system. Unless they had to rebuild my face from an injury I wouldn't expect to be covered for any dental work. Let alone new dentures, implants, caps, crowns, bridges, braces or whatever.


I guess your Uncle found a way to get it covered somehow. Try getting your insurance company to pay for something outside the policy and see how fast they react to your needs.


Yes a new doctor's office in Gander did hold a lottery to see who would get to be part of their patient roster (pretty slick marketing). I would expect a new doctor in a remote rural area like Alaska would be in the same situation having to turn away patients. Canada is not unique in having difficultly in providing adequate one on one doctor's care to remote areas. At least in Gander they can always go to the hospital. It's not like they have no access to care like you seem to be implying. Nor is that care rationed in any way.


But c'mon, you're talking about a town with 1/3 the population of Juneau, Alaska and almost as remote a location. Using them as an example of readily available services is ridiculous. They do have a hospital though. Maybe you'd like to compare Gander's hospital with the mayo clinic for your next round of BS comparisons.
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12/23/2009 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:36pm
Some people may equate "public option" to "national health care" (i.e. free). The public option proposed by Congress is just a government-sponsored insurance plan, and you will incur a monthly/annual cost to purchase the plan.

And there are no guarantees that the public option will result in lower insurance premiums. The public plan will be based upon cost and cost savings resulting from the proposed legislation. No savings means no significant cost reduction. The plan won't be implemented until 2013 at the earliest, which means 2009 could be used as a benchmark for price setting. So if you don't like the cost of private plans today, you won't like the cost of the public option 4 years from now.

Some politicians are promising to eliminate pre-existing conditions from coverage consideration. However, they don't highlight the fact that rates will vary due to these conditions. Private plans may no longer be able to turn away people with pre-existing conditions, but a premium price point will be mandated.

There has been some varsity-level whining on this forum, but unless you have a felony conviction, there is nothing keeping any of us from achieving greater levels of personal success. If your mechanism for change is limited to posting on a motocross message board, then you're getting what you deserve. You're the target demographic for politicians, who feed off the entitlement-natured public and fund those promises by taxing those who have worked hard to succeed. Those who complain about health care cost & coverage but aren't out there busting their humps to improve their situation may as well scream at the wall. And punching the time clock 5 days a week ain't "improving" anything. You don't like the situation? Then change it, don't wait for the government to swoop down and embrace you in its decrepit arms. Whether it's finding a job with better benefits or packing up and moving to Calgary, take action. Because regardless of what gets passed in D.C., in the end you're the one that has the greatest impact on your happiness and success. Now get out there and make things happen!
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12/23/2009 5:51pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2009 5:55pm
Now you are just externalizing the problem by saying that the solution is up to the individual. When you need a heart transplant like the one FTE received, you have no control over it. When you get liver cancer at 37 like a friend of mine did, you have no control over it. When you step on a nail and you get a $700 bill for a tetanus shot, you have no control over it. You just bend over and take it because that's the way it is? Well, it shouldn't be that way in the greatest country on the globe.



I have good insurance but that doesn't blind me to the fact that Americans are getting screwed by the health care industry. It's just a big money grab by the club members and guess what? You ain't in the club!
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12/23/2009 6:08pm
well when you can make a night show at supercross or at the nationals you should be able to make a good living. Regis knows how much we make in mains it is penny compaired to what the profit is... Its sad to say that a pro rider doesn't make shit unless he is paid by companys.I would still be racing if supercross paid enough to cover bikes parts and travel. But shit I guess they had to pay MC just to show up, dont get me wrong I am not talking bad about him. But to have to pay to race supercross is a Joke..When the promoters are only giving the riders less then 5% of what they make a race is b.s. we are not at the local level here these guys should make good money...They sell more seats then football,baseball,soccer,hockey.... I rode for most my carear without INS but It was either let my dreams fade or take a chance, well I wouldn't change what I did for anything....Just ask Ping,Regis,hell even Jeremy will tell you what is paid to win a main is just pennys compaired to other sports...The amount of time it takes and the money it cost toward the reward is a joke. WE RIDE BECAUSE WE LOVE IT OR DID.....
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Also last time I checked to pre enter a supercross is was about $85 bucks do you know what 17th in lights main paid me one night 175 dollars. wow man I cashed that shit and retired no need to work anymore....lol
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12/23/2009 6:12pm
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Now you are just externalizing the problem by saying that the solution is up to the individual. When you need a heart transplant like the one...
Now you are just externalizing the problem by saying that the solution is up to the individual. When you need a heart transplant like the one FTE received, you have no control over it. When you get liver cancer at 37 like a friend of mine did, you have no control over it. When you step on a nail and you get a $700 bill for a tetanus shot, you have no control over it. You just bend over and take it because that's the way it is? Well, it shouldn't be that way in the greatest country on the globe.



I have good insurance but that doesn't blind me to the fact that Americans are getting screwed by the health care industry. It's just a big money grab by the club members and guess what? You ain't in the club!
Nailed it.
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12/23/2009 6:16pm
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No, there is not more than meets the eye. I walked in and asked for a tetanus shot. They wanted to x-ray for any foreign matter...
No, there is not more than meets the eye. I walked in and asked for a tetanus shot. They wanted to x-ray for any foreign matter that may have been impaled into my foot and declined, reiterating that I just needed a tetanus shot. They gave me a tetanus shot without so much as cleaning the wound or applying a band-aid. I had to stop by Walgreens to pick up band-aids afterwards. Got the bill in the mail a couple of weeks later for $700. I can have my wife dig up the bill and scan it for you if you are still skeptical.

I read the report on the Swedish study of smokers vs non-smokers about a year ago. It was in the news, not something I just pulled out of my ass. It interested me because I was a smoker at the time.
I think you might have been able to get the tetanus shot at Walgreens. They seem to provide a lot of medical care there now.
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12/23/2009 6:27pm
CamP wrote:
No, there is not more than meets the eye. I walked in and asked for a tetanus shot. They wanted to x-ray for any foreign matter...
No, there is not more than meets the eye. I walked in and asked for a tetanus shot. They wanted to x-ray for any foreign matter that may have been impaled into my foot and declined, reiterating that I just needed a tetanus shot. They gave me a tetanus shot without so much as cleaning the wound or applying a band-aid. I had to stop by Walgreens to pick up band-aids afterwards. Got the bill in the mail a couple of weeks later for $700. I can have my wife dig up the bill and scan it for you if you are still skeptical.

I read the report on the Swedish study of smokers vs non-smokers about a year ago. It was in the news, not something I just pulled out of my ass. It interested me because I was a smoker at the time.
SteveS wrote:
I think you might have been able to get the tetanus shot at Walgreens. They seem to provide a lot of medical care there now.
Really? I know they do flu shots but I assumed that they would not provide any other prescription drug injections without a medical doctor getting involved.
TerryK
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12/23/2009 6:35pm
For the record Ping, we don't get crappy doctors, but we do get OVERWORKED doctors.

Also for the record, comparing prices in northern Alberta to the rest of Canada is rediculous. With the tar sands project everything up there is off the hook. Here in Ontario and the rest of the country things are closer to being in line with the US. Yes it's more expensive, but saying it's 3x more is just pure bullshit.
Weave
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12/23/2009 6:44pm
Wow. And it's still the other guy's fault. So what if it is? What are YOU going to do about it? I live in the US and am subject to the same rules and conditions as everyone else here. And you know what? My health care insurance is awesome! Do you know why? It's because I didn't waste the past 40+ years of my life f'ing around some dead-end job. I had specific goals I wanted to achieve, and with those accomplishments came benefits like great health care coverage.

Pursuing your dreams is admirable, but you need a back-up plan. Working under the assumption that the government will fix our problems is a fool's paradise. FTE seems like a great guy, and his heart condition may have been unavoidable, but he probably had positioned himself to where the out-of-pocket cost would be just a fraction of the total bill. Those who stroll through life whistling Dixie and turning a blind eye to potential hazards eventually get what's coming to them.

So you got a $700 bill. What did you do about it? Did you contact the insurance company, your local congressman, the media? If not, then you're right, you are getting screwed! I could saw myself in half and need a complete internal replacement and my total costs are capped at $800. Why? Because I took the initiative and made sure me and my family are covered, regardless of event. I read the fine print, and elected for the highest monthly premium, just in case. I busted my hump in high school, college, the military, and now the corporate world, and am justly rewarded for my work.

Is our health care system screwed up? Probably, but I'm fairly insulated from a lot of the negativity because I TOOK ACTION! Do a Google search at health care coverage satisfaction and you'll find that anywhere from 74% to 85%+ of insured Americans are satisfied with their plans (and 51%+ are very satisfied). If you work as an electrician but don't receive medical insurance, then it's up to you whether a change is necessary. If there is anyone on this board who thinks they have peaked, that they cannot improve their station in life, then you have problems. If you're waiting for some government program to change the situation, then you're going to be waiting a long, long time.

Nobody can impact your life more than you. Doug Henry read this quote several years ago, and I believe each and every word of it. It's a mantra that has guided Doug's life, through good and bad times. Think Doug Henry ever sat around waiting for the government to make his life better?

ATTITUDE:
The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life.

Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company... a church... a home.

The remarkable thing is we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past... we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude... I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.

And so it is with you... we are in charge of our attitudes.

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12/23/2009 7:00pm
MRI's cost 90 dollars in Japan!

How much are they here???

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