Deegan in for Nations?

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8/4/2023 6:01am
mimafia wrote:

Sexton, Deegan, and I can't decide between Plessinger or Barcia or Webb. Convince me

I like the idea of the Barcia we saw in SX this year, especially just before the injury.  He was charging, hitting podiums, showing serious speed and determination.  

I'm a no on Webb, he just doesn't show the same speed outdoors as we used to see.  Not sure what it is.

And if Barcia isn't showing that speed in the next 2 nationals, Plessinger is our guy.

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8/4/2023 6:10am
Magoofan wrote:
Deegan is a no brainer for Nations.   Well, unless you're this guy...

Deegan is a no brainer for Nations.

 

Well, unless you're this guy...

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Yes, send the guy that may have recently cheated as a factory sponsored amateur to represent the U.S.A. at an international event.    That says a...

Yes, send the guy that may have recently cheated as a factory sponsored amateur to represent the U.S.A. at an international event. 
 

That says a lot. 

Ok Kooksey please explain this "may have recently cheated"....

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8/4/2023 6:32am

Makes me not like kawi all that much. And give me Webb or RJ over Pless 

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8/4/2023 6:57am

Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation?

I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process for Nations so there may be other reasons, but it's been a damn good time watching him run it up there with the big dogs. As an American, I'd be proud having him represent us there, and I think his performance this year at least puts him in the conversation. That is, assuming not being a factory rider doesn't disqualify him from being able to go.

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8/4/2023 7:09am
JBPhotos wrote:
Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation? I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process...

Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation?

I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process for Nations so there may be other reasons, but it's been a damn good time watching him run it up there with the big dogs. As an American, I'd be proud having him represent us there, and I think his performance this year at least puts him in the conversation. That is, assuming not being a factory rider doesn't disqualify him from being able to go.

Probably because someone needs to cover the cost of racing overseas for him. Hefty price tag to foot that yourself. 

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8/4/2023 7:17am
JBPhotos wrote:
Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation? I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process...

Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation?

I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process for Nations so there may be other reasons, but it's been a damn good time watching him run it up there with the big dogs. As an American, I'd be proud having him represent us there, and I think his performance this year at least puts him in the conversation. That is, assuming not being a factory rider doesn't disqualify him from being able to go.

We have riders that are performing better than him, enough of them that it hasn't trickled down to his position in the conversation.

Secondly, as someone else pointed out, it's an expensive trip. He would be expected to bring two completely fresh bikes to the race, spare suspension, spare engine, etc. More equipment than he probably has on hand and it's pricey to ship it all. If he's racing SMX at the time, he won't have enough spares to ship two bikes, race one here, and practice on one here. I think he only has two bikes in total.

The cost these teams eat to send equipment, support staff, and test there a few days prior...it can be 30-40k easily.

Austrian team riders have an advantage here because of the support system from the mothership over there, extra team testing vans to use, pit areas, etc.

The US would want to send riders that have a connection with a team that has a partner in Europe to support them.

If Sexton goes, he would pit with HRC Honda MXGP.

If Deegan goes, he'll likely pit with Kemea Yamaha, who buys some components from Star Racing and is the factory Yamaha MX2 team.

If Hampshire goes, he pits with Nestaan Husqvarna, the factory MX2 team for Husky.

Etc, etc, etc...

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8/4/2023 7:37am
JBPhotos wrote:
Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation? I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process...

Just kind of off-the-wall thinking, but why isn't Masterpool in the conversation?

I'll admit I'm not in the know with the nuances of the selection process for Nations so there may be other reasons, but it's been a damn good time watching him run it up there with the big dogs. As an American, I'd be proud having him represent us there, and I think his performance this year at least puts him in the conversation. That is, assuming not being a factory rider doesn't disqualify him from being able to go.

ML512 wrote:
We have riders that are performing better than him, enough of them that it hasn't trickled down to his position in the conversation. Secondly, as someone...

We have riders that are performing better than him, enough of them that it hasn't trickled down to his position in the conversation.

Secondly, as someone else pointed out, it's an expensive trip. He would be expected to bring two completely fresh bikes to the race, spare suspension, spare engine, etc. More equipment than he probably has on hand and it's pricey to ship it all. If he's racing SMX at the time, he won't have enough spares to ship two bikes, race one here, and practice on one here. I think he only has two bikes in total.

The cost these teams eat to send equipment, support staff, and test there a few days prior...it can be 30-40k easily.

Austrian team riders have an advantage here because of the support system from the mothership over there, extra team testing vans to use, pit areas, etc.

The US would want to send riders that have a connection with a team that has a partner in Europe to support them.

If Sexton goes, he would pit with HRC Honda MXGP.

If Deegan goes, he'll likely pit with Kemea Yamaha, who buys some components from Star Racing and is the factory Yamaha MX2 team.

If Hampshire goes, he pits with Nestaan Husqvarna, the factory MX2 team for Husky.

Etc, etc, etc...

Makes sense! I had a feeling that played a massive part in it, but my curiosity was strong enough that I wanted to know for sure. Thanks for the info!

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8/4/2023 8:27am
Magoofan wrote:
Deegan is a no brainer for Nations.   Well, unless you're this guy...

Deegan is a no brainer for Nations.

 

Well, unless you're this guy...

image-20230803170742-1

Yes, send the guy that may have recently cheated as a factory sponsored amateur to represent the U.S.A. at an international event.    That says a...

Yes, send the guy that may have recently cheated as a factory sponsored amateur to represent the U.S.A. at an international event. 
 

That says a lot. 

Dude....save your crackpot theories for Non-Moto.    They're much more entertaining there. 

 

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8/5/2023 9:47am

Unless we have injuries our best team would be: Sexton, Anderson, Deegan 

Thats not rocket science. 

They are the three fastest, available, and healthy Americans....

 

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8/5/2023 9:56am

^^^ Do you not understand that Anderson is a no go because of the brand he rides for? Best don't mean squat if the team doesn't back that.

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8/6/2023 2:20pm
Paul333 wrote:

Unless we have injuries our best team would be: Sexton, Anderson, Deegan 

Thats not rocket science. 

They are the three fastest, available, and healthy Americans....

 

AP is laughing 

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8/6/2023 2:47pm

If Barcia is back and fit...and has the fire...he's in.  He may not win but he's a known quantity.  He gets results.

Sexton is our rocket.  If he can focus...he can win.  Not 100% lock but our best chance.

Deegan?  He has shown great speed and real maturity and consistency, for a rookie.  My only concern is...can he bring that package to the Nation's?  He's earned the opportunity...he SHOULD go.  Time to see how deep his talent really is.

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8/6/2023 2:58pm
Paul333 wrote:

Unless we have injuries our best team would be: Sexton, Anderson, Deegan 

Thats not rocket science. 

They are the three fastest, available, and healthy Americans....

 

mx4 wrote:

AP is laughing 

Not saying he couldn’t do damage. But yeah his results aren’t great this year… and he crushed it the last time he rode for USA…

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8/6/2023 3:59pm
Brent wrote:
Can you give a definition of the word "Woke" please? I hear it a lot, but no one can articulate exactly what it is or what...

Can you give a definition of the word "Woke" please?

I hear it a lot, but no one can articulate exactly what it is or what it means?

I googled "Woke Sports" and I didn't get much back...

Megan Rapinoe is the dictionary definition of "woke sports"

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8/6/2023 5:02pm

Can't tell me that anyone would not want Barcia in a one-off race on the GG with the USA on his back?  He would kill it!

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8/6/2023 5:40pm
[YM] wrote:

AP

Deegan

Hampshire

This is a very ropey team apart from Deegan.  Plessinger is unpredictable and has yet to do as much as was expected of him in the 450s, and Hampshire has not given any indication he'll ever change and become consistent. 

 

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