slow computer

Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 12:36pm
My computer is slow as heck, especially after adding a little camera and Skype to talk with relatives. Without Firefox even running it'll show RAM at 40%, and I've seen it at nearly 60%.

Hitting Control/Alt/Delete and then task manager right now shows 92 processes, CPU varying from 2-15%, and physical memory at 47-48%. Clicking the Services tab shows about 160 of them, about half of which have a status of running. The applications tab shows the only application I only have running is Firefox.

We're running Vista Ultimate, AVG anti-virus. It's been getting progressively slower for some time now, well before adding the camera and Skype. I don't know what to delete, what to keep, or how to fix it.

Suggestions appreciated.
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12/5/2009 10:55am
That sucks man I feel your pain. Dfrag the hard drive if you have not in awhile. Sounds like you have a current antivirus, wouldnt hurt to do the "slow scan", I m a noob so thought I should point out some basic stuff. It helped mine, was gonna through it out the window a few weeks ago. I think I am gonna go the two computer route soon, one just for the internet, downloads etc and one "working computer" w/ no internet on that one. Good luck. Maybe there is a vital PC fourm, lol
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12/5/2009 10:57am
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12/5/2009 12:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:18pm
The most common reason for that type of slowdown is spyware/malware. It just drags a system down because so much of it is running and reporting home to its maker all the time. It's usually not from software that you meant to install.


Download Spybot Search and Destroy from www.security.kolla.de (it's free with a request for a PayPal donation), install, update, and run it. It's totally manual software, and a scan takes a fairly long time. But it works, and is a very good tool. It can also immunize your browser against many forms of spyware.

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12/5/2009 1:09pm
Hey Matt, 92 services is a LOT. I would go through Black Vipers Windows services guide (choose the one for you o/s)

http://www.blackviper.com/
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12/5/2009 1:10pm
You need to save any pics you want or music onto a portable hd and reload windows. Your computer will run like brand new after that. Takes a couple of hours but well worth it! Do you have your original copy of windows?
12/13/2009 12:58pm
I went ahead and used the Spybot, and now have 98 processes running, with RAM at 54%. I'm going to be positive and say that it helped anyway....

I picked up a 1TB external HD, but am wondering if I should use some of the blackviper stuff prior to hooking it up. I'm also a little unsure as to how to go about using his services- it appears a bit overwhelming to a non-computer guy. Mechanical stuff I'm fine with- software is not a strong-point of mine.

I'd like to avoid reloading windows simply because there are lots of programs that I occasionally use, but don't remember where I got them from, how to set them back up, etc.

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12/13/2009 1:17pm Edited Date/Time 12/13/2009 1:19pm
Click on start.. then click "run".. type in %temp%.. it will bring up all the usless temp files your history doesnt delete.. Highlight them and delete them. It will automatically save the files that you need.. I did this and it made my comp run faster. I also downlaoded..STOPZILLA.. Great virus/spyware protection and eliminator
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12/13/2009 1:36pm
I went ahead and used the Spybot, and now have 98 processes running, with RAM at 54%. I'm going to be positive and say that it...
I went ahead and used the Spybot, and now have 98 processes running, with RAM at 54%. I'm going to be positive and say that it helped anyway....

I picked up a 1TB external HD, but am wondering if I should use some of the blackviper stuff prior to hooking it up. I'm also a little unsure as to how to go about using his services- it appears a bit overwhelming to a non-computer guy. Mechanical stuff I'm fine with- software is not a strong-point of mine.

I'd like to avoid reloading windows simply because there are lots of programs that I occasionally use, but don't remember where I got them from, how to set them back up, etc.

I'm not sure if Vista has this feature but XP does.
Click on run then type in msconfig.
click on the startup tab and see how many items are checked. If you have any process on there with "Virtumonde" in the name then you have a nasty trojan.
Check back here if you have it.
BTW, XP runs fine with everything on there unchecked.
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12/13/2009 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:26pm
Run these 2 programs.



http://www.malwarebytes.org/


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http://www.simplysup.com/ Trojan Remover


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Trojan Remover is a 30 day trial but sometimes it finds stuff malwarebytes misses and visa versa. Trojan Remover runs extremely fast and beeps when it finds stuff, it will give you multiple choices on how to handle what it finds, just agree with whatever it recommends.


12/13/2009 5:27pm
Deleted all but 5 of the %temp% files, defrag happens once a week on it's own, no virtumonde listed. Now at 99 processes, 54% RAM used. No improvement in speed noted.

Crash, between the AVG and Spybot, wouldn't any maleware, trojans, viruses, etc be taken care of already?

If I hook up the external HD will it automatically copy the unwanted crap over as well as the stuff I'm wanting to keep?
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12/13/2009 5:29pm
Go to "run" and type in "msconfig" then go to your startup menu and uncheck all the unnecessary shit you can find in there, too. Don't just do the spyware, but do this also. There are tons of things that open at startup that don't need to open at startup. When you click them, if they're programs or things like that, they'll open just like normal, but you don't need them to be open every time you start your computer, all the time.
12/13/2009 6:58pm
Some of the items like Microsoft Operating System or AVG I recognize, but others like Advanced Micro Devices or ICS viewer don't necessarily ring a bell. Do I just kill them and see what happens?
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Some of the items like Microsoft Operating System or AVG I recognize, but others like Advanced Micro Devices or ICS viewer don't necessarily ring a bell...
Some of the items like Microsoft Operating System or AVG I recognize, but others like Advanced Micro Devices or ICS viewer don't necessarily ring a bell. Do I just kill them and see what happens?
That's what I normally do.
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12/13/2009 8:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/13/2009 8:51pm
Deleted all but 5 of the %temp% files, defrag happens once a week on it's own, no virtumonde listed. Now at 99 processes, 54% RAM used...
Deleted all but 5 of the %temp% files, defrag happens once a week on it's own, no virtumonde listed. Now at 99 processes, 54% RAM used. No improvement in speed noted.

Crash, between the AVG and Spybot, wouldn't any maleware, trojans, viruses, etc be taken care of already?

If I hook up the external HD will it automatically copy the unwanted crap over as well as the stuff I'm wanting to keep?
None of these programs are magic, I would rate Malwarebytes better than spybot. I would also recommend writing down the names of the files it detects then googling them, with the really hard ones you have to manually remove some stuff. That may be a bit over your head, going into the registry isn't a good idea, unless you know what's up. I can just about promise you malwarebytes is going to find some stuff and if Trojan remover finds crap it's not just cookies and shit like spybot. If you copy infected files over to the Ext drive sure they will be there. One thing to keep in mind is the are autorun viruses if you have one of those, when you plug that usb drive into an infected computer it will be on there until you clean it. You may not be infected with anything to bad, Vista absolutely sux and just gets hosed up sometimes, if you reformat I would go with XP if you can get your hands on a disk.
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12/13/2009 9:00pm
I love Spyware Doctor. It's awesome for PCs.

Or, just buy a Mac.
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12/13/2009 9:09pm
Spyware doctor is good but with the trial version I think it only tells you were the threats are, you have to manually remove them. Matt run those 2 programs, it can't hurt and will probably help. What antivirus program were you using before AVG? Did it come with Norton or something like that when you bought the compputer? If it did go into add remove programs and uninstall anything that says Norton, AVG and left over Norton stuff won't do well together.
12/14/2009 8:29am
A Mac simply isn't going to happen.

I've had this PC for less than 2 years, AVG has been on it since day 1. I uninstalled Spybot before downloading malewarebytes, thinking that having too many anti-virus programs together could be a problem, like AVG and Norton.

Malewarebytes found 11 items, all from Adware.PopCap. 1 file, 1 registry title, and 9 registry keys. It removed them all, and evidently none of them were malicious. Simplysup found nothing. Should I uninstall these 2 programs, particularly simplysup due to it's 30 day trial run, or am I better off with the whole gamut of anti-a-hole software; AVG/Spybot/Malewarebytes/Simplysup?

My processes are down to 74, and RAM is at 39%, so improvements are happening. At this time I'm guessing that there's not a whole lot I can do to improve on those numbers? Am I safe to hook up the external HD?
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Spybot Search and Destroy doesn't run all the time, so it's unnecessary to uninstall it fearing conflicts with other antimalware software. Its immunization of Internet Explorer actually does work, and is worth having.

I would recommend uninstalling any 30 day trial software because it does run something all the time to nag you to buy it.

The computer I am using at work runs 80-90 processes all the time and isn't slowed down. CPU usage is typically 2%-5% when I check it.

As far as legitimate software you do want to keep which starts with Windows, rather than killing it from msconfig, I'd recommend opening that particular application and using its own controls to shut off the "start with Windows" behavior. They usually make it hard to find, but if it's legit software, it'll be there. Bad actors to keep from starting include all manner of messaging tools, whether from Microsoft, Yahoo, AIM, or whoever. Also check things like iTunes or other music type software, printer utilities, keyboard/mouse update uitlities, etc.
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12/14/2009 9:31am Edited Date/Time 12/14/2009 9:34am
Crash82 wrote:
Run these 2 programs. http://www.malwarebytes.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.simplysup.com/ Trojan Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trojan Remover is a 30 day trial but sometimes it finds stuff malwarebytes misses and visa...
Run these 2 programs.



http://www.malwarebytes.org/


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http://www.simplysup.com/ Trojan Remover


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Trojan Remover is a 30 day trial but sometimes it finds stuff malwarebytes misses and visa versa. Trojan Remover runs extremely fast and beeps when it finds stuff, it will give you multiple choices on how to handle what it finds, just agree with whatever it recommends.


the first one is a must have!!@!!! i am impressed crash.

check yer mobo and cpu temp...if they are hot it will it attempt to self preserve itself and slow intruction sets...until it frys.

if you have the american standard of 1/2 inch of dust and animal hair mixed in with some magical fur balls covering yer pc internals that could be it too.

clean it but be careful
12/14/2009 10:00am
I vacuumed out the computer a couple months ago. Maybe a few dust bunnies, but nothing that would scare the wife's cat. How do I check the cpu temp, and what's mobo?
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12/14/2009 10:07am
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Some of the items like Microsoft Operating System or AVG I recognize, but others like Advanced Micro Devices or ICS viewer don't necessarily ring a bell...
Some of the items like Microsoft Operating System or AVG I recognize, but others like Advanced Micro Devices or ICS viewer don't necessarily ring a bell. Do I just kill them and see what happens?
get intel inside!
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I vacuumed out the computer a couple months ago. Maybe a few dust bunnies, but nothing that would scare the wife's cat. How do I check...
I vacuumed out the computer a couple months ago. Maybe a few dust bunnies, but nothing that would scare the wife's cat. How do I check the cpu temp, and what's mobo?
can you spark a doobie off of the cpu ihs? Smile

yr mo ther bo ard should have a utility disk or something...might be on there or get mobo type and find it webside

but if it is clean it ain't the prob...unless the fan is dying
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Sounds to me like a short between the chair and the keyboard.
12/14/2009 10:49am
No doubt, I'm the computer equivalent of "the loose nut behind the wheel".

At this time it seems like everything must be free of viruses, and other software nasties, so I should be safe to hook up the other HD and back everything up?

Maybe that will also allow the computer to work more efficiently and speed it up a bit?
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12/14/2009 11:47am
A Mac simply isn't going to happen. I've had this PC for less than 2 years, AVG has been on it since day 1. I uninstalled...
A Mac simply isn't going to happen.

I've had this PC for less than 2 years, AVG has been on it since day 1. I uninstalled Spybot before downloading malewarebytes, thinking that having too many anti-virus programs together could be a problem, like AVG and Norton.

Malewarebytes found 11 items, all from Adware.PopCap. 1 file, 1 registry title, and 9 registry keys. It removed them all, and evidently none of them were malicious. Simplysup found nothing. Should I uninstall these 2 programs, particularly simplysup due to it's 30 day trial run, or am I better off with the whole gamut of anti-a-hole software; AVG/Spybot/Malewarebytes/Simplysup?

My processes are down to 74, and RAM is at 39%, so improvements are happening. At this time I'm guessing that there's not a whole lot I can do to improve on those numbers? Am I safe to hook up the external HD?
All those will work fine together, Spybot, malwarebytes and Trojan remover are different from AVG and Norton. Usually Norton and AVG will scan in realtime and always be running in the background. I'm having trouble coming up with words to describe the differences, but they are. Trojan remover will autoscan very quickly at startup, then only nag you after the 30 days are up. I'm pretty sure you are okay to plug in the external drive, usually an autorun virus and others will wreak such havoc on your puter you'll know it's there and malwarebytes and TR would have found it. You'll get crazy popups "windows security suite" " Windows antivirus 2009" stuff like that wanting credit card info. There are some viruses/grayware now that run undetected, I was even reading about one out there now that will download illegal porn to your computer. Hey spybot has a thing called tea-timer, it nags the hell out of me i always turn it off. How much memory you running? I always recommend no less than 2 gigs for vista. Trend has a free utility called housecall, http://us.trendmicro.com/us/housecall/ but it has yet to perform better than the previously mentioned programs. If you have time, just for giggles completely uninstall AVG and see what kind of performance boost that gives, you can always reinstall it. I was working on one the other day and after i installed AVG, the performance was so bad it took for ever to uninstall it, but then it was fine. I usually work on one 2 to 4 hours at the most and if I can't cure it, (which is very rare Smile ) I will rebuild it. I wish i could be more help, my vocabulary and typing skills suck so it makes it pretty hard for me over the net.
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12/14/2009 12:01pm Edited Date/Time 12/14/2009 12:02pm
Crash82 wrote:
Run these 2 programs. http://www.malwarebytes.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.simplysup.com/ Trojan Remover ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trojan Remover is a 30 day trial but sometimes it finds stuff malwarebytes misses and visa...
Run these 2 programs.



http://www.malwarebytes.org/


-----------------------------------------------------------------------


http://www.simplysup.com/ Trojan Remover


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Trojan Remover is a 30 day trial but sometimes it finds stuff malwarebytes misses and visa versa. Trojan Remover runs extremely fast and beeps when it finds stuff, it will give you multiple choices on how to handle what it finds, just agree with whatever it recommends.


BobbyM wrote:
the first one is a must have!!@!!! i am impressed crash. check yer mobo and cpu temp...if they are hot it will it attempt to self...
the first one is a must have!!@!!! i am impressed crash.

check yer mobo and cpu temp...if they are hot it will it attempt to self preserve itself and slow intruction sets...until it frys.

if you have the american standard of 1/2 inch of dust and animal hair mixed in with some magical fur balls covering yer pc internals that could be it too.

clean it but be careful
Thanks Bobby, we have 500 users and until this year they all had open internet and admin rights, my days consisted of cleaning crap off puters. 24/7. When I work on them at home i always open the case outside and check for roaches! You can bring them in like that, my buddy got a trailer full of roaches from an Infected playstation, lol. No fleas or roaches in my house damn it, hell i even have friends that aren't allowed in, i know there are flea bit. Usually if computers are overheating they will lock up. I'm not a fan of programs like Skype and other similar ones, google "Skype viruses" and you will see what i mean, at some point you just bite the bullet and rebuild as others have suggested, Matt: i am curious about how much mem you are running though.
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12/14/2009 12:03pm
Forgot to mention not to run Spybot's Teatimer. I never install that one.
12/14/2009 1:19pm
My computer is slow as heck, especially after adding a little camera and Skype to talk with relatives. Without Firefox even running it'll show RAM at...
My computer is slow as heck, especially after adding a little camera and Skype to talk with relatives. Without Firefox even running it'll show RAM at 40%, and I've seen it at nearly 60%.

Hitting Control/Alt/Delete and then task manager right now shows 92 processes, CPU varying from 2-15%, and physical memory at 47-48%. Clicking the Services tab shows about 160 of them, about half of which have a status of running. The applications tab shows the only application I only have running is Firefox.

We're running Vista Ultimate, AVG anti-virus. It's been getting progressively slower for some time now, well before adding the camera and Skype. I don't know what to delete, what to keep, or how to fix it.

Suggestions appreciated.
Since the external hd is copying everything over as I type this, it's easy enough to answer that (or at least I hope this answers it). My C drive has 455.7 GB, with 313.3 GB free. Computer itself is a Dell Inspiron 530.

Is there a non-virus version of Skype? I have gotten a couple of odd e-mails from their internal system that screamed "SCUMBAG VIRUS" to me, asking to click on an address. I don't think so.



You end up working on computers that have roaches in them? Good grief.

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