How to fix wsx schedule

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So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys. If you look at geneva, paris, aus x they all had top guys because the series didnt compete against anything else. Not only is it competing with the us nationals, but it is also competing with the mxgp series which is those guys only series so those guys are definitely not missing those races. 
 

WSX needs riders from both series to race in their championship. Not only does this differentiate them from just being a b tier ama sx knockoff, if they get the best from both sides of the pond thats really a world sx championship. Looking at the schedule its possible to make this work. 
 

The mxgp series ends sep 24 and mxon is oct 08. So that gives them 1 week off before mxon. Its the same with the us guys, the smx series ends sep 23 so 1 day before mxgp. So this means that from after mxon on oct 08 to the start of sx on jan 6 there is an opening for this series to run that doesnt conflict with anything else. That gives them 12 full weekends which should be plenty to run a series. They could run a 6 race series with 6 weeks off spaced throughout or an 8 race series with 4 off weeks. Or in order to get riders a few weeks off at the end of the year do 6-8 straight through and then 4-6 weeks off until ama sx starts. 
 

I think this is what they need to do. Its basically a win win for everybody. The fans get to watch their nationals and mxgp series at full strength, and wsx gets full gates of top riders from both sides of the pond. People used to do monster cup, paris, aus x…etc in the off season anyways, so its not much more. I think this would definitely be the smartest direction for them to go.

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7/3/2023 9:07pm

I can not think of many international Motorsport series that survive without oem support ,  speedway gp is the only one I can think of , 

 

It will be a hard road with out the manufacturer support , even if they change the time of year 

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7/4/2023 4:53am
Pop Shmoke wrote:
So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys. If...

So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys. If you look at geneva, paris, aus x they all had top guys because the series didnt compete against anything else. Not only is it competing with the us nationals, but it is also competing with the mxgp series which is those guys only series so those guys are definitely not missing those races. 
 

WSX needs riders from both series to race in their championship. Not only does this differentiate them from just being a b tier ama sx knockoff, if they get the best from both sides of the pond thats really a world sx championship. Looking at the schedule its possible to make this work. 
 

The mxgp series ends sep 24 and mxon is oct 08. So that gives them 1 week off before mxon. Its the same with the us guys, the smx series ends sep 23 so 1 day before mxgp. So this means that from after mxon on oct 08 to the start of sx on jan 6 there is an opening for this series to run that doesnt conflict with anything else. That gives them 12 full weekends which should be plenty to run a series. They could run a 6 race series with 6 weeks off spaced throughout or an 8 race series with 4 off weeks. Or in order to get riders a few weeks off at the end of the year do 6-8 straight through and then 4-6 weeks off until ama sx starts. 
 

I think this is what they need to do. Its basically a win win for everybody. The fans get to watch their nationals and mxgp series at full strength, and wsx gets full gates of top riders from both sides of the pond. People used to do monster cup, paris, aus x…etc in the off season anyways, so its not much more. I think this would definitely be the smartest direction for them to go.

I fully agree as i would like the best riders in every series !

 

But the promoters doesn't think like an added serie, they want to be the main one replacing the other ones...

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7/4/2023 5:18am

I’d rather see the Trans-AMA series come back but that’s not going to happen either.

Guys want time off.  I get it and don’t really blame them.

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7/5/2023 1:49am

"So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys.

Not only is it competing with the us nationals, but it is also competing with the mxgp series which is those guys only series so those guys are definitely not missing those races. "

That's not AT ALL why WSX doesn't get the top guys. Their employers just don't want them to go.

And GP riders don't ride SX. 

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7/5/2023 7:35am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2023 7:39am
RACING wrote:
"So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys. Not...

"So wsx is hurting their own series by starting it in the middle of the nationals so they are unable to get the top guys.

Not only is it competing with the us nationals, but it is also competing with the mxgp series which is those guys only series so those guys are definitely not missing those races. "

That's not AT ALL why WSX doesn't get the top guys. Their employers just don't want them to go.

And GP riders don't ride SX. 

Uhh their employers dont want them to go because they have to pick between wsx or the nationals and the teams obviously choose the series theyve been racing for 50 years that theyre already invested in over a new upstart. If wsx was after the nationals they wouldnt care, just like they didnt care about aus x, paris, geneva…

 

The reason why the problem started last year is wsx came right out the gate saying theyre competing with the nationals going fwd after the pilot season. If they just had it as an off season series the mfg’s have shown theyre cool with it, hence aus x. 

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7/5/2023 8:25am

First, saying that the teams don't care about their riders doing off season races abroad is wrong. There have been multiple cases of racers wanting to go and their teams not letting them.

Second, a one off race and a championship are two very different things...

 

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7/5/2023 9:48am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2023 11:10am

It's not the schedule; more events is not going to be very welcome given the number of existing dates.  And it does not sound like the promoter's goal is a niche series of a few rounds slotted into the existing MX/SX offseason.  

They have to compete head to head for  talent by making it worth more to riders to participate there than the OEMs and sponsors pay them to ride the existing US Series or the GPs.  There is no way around that unless one of the existing series folds.  

 

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7/5/2023 12:37pm

CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this point. Dude is balls deep(as pulp would say)in defending wsx.

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CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this...

CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this point. Dude is balls deep(as pulp would say)in defending wsx.

A couple of these Aussies are letting national pride get in the way of common sense and they are having a hard time seeing beyond the flag…CPR’s not too bad though but he is definitely a little bit of an Adam Bailey cheerleader…

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7/5/2023 4:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2023 4:58pm

😂🤣 you guys are too much! Please show me where I’ve said WSX was brilliant, or any other adjective you choose. I do appreciate the love, thank you!

What I will argue with though, is this narrow-mindedness and pile-on mentality that some of you have going on. And that goes for nearly any subject, not just WSX. The mob mentality detracts from Vital in the worst possible way.
It seems that while you’re paying attention to who doesn’t agree with your opinion, you’re missing what they’re actually saying.

Attacking the person, instead of the subject, is a classic fallback tactic when your argument is weak.

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7/5/2023 6:01pm
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😂🤣 you guys are too much! Please show me where I’ve said WSX was brilliant, or any other adjective you choose. I do appreciate the love...

😂🤣 you guys are too much! Please show me where I’ve said WSX was brilliant, or any other adjective you choose. I do appreciate the love, thank you!

What I will argue with though, is this narrow-mindedness and pile-on mentality that some of you have going on. And that goes for nearly any subject, not just WSX. The mob mentality detracts from Vital in the worst possible way.
It seems that while you’re paying attention to who doesn’t agree with your opinion, you’re missing what they’re actually saying.

Attacking the person, instead of the subject, is a classic fallback tactic when your argument is weak.

I could put forth a good argument(I believe it to be at least) but it wouldn’t change your mind and you don’t change mine with your post. 

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7/5/2023 6:24pm

You think top guys are going to go run a series in their only 2 months off the entire year?

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CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this...

CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this point. Dude is balls deep(as pulp would say)in defending wsx.

'Defending'  WSX for doing what exactly? Oh, that's right it's for offering older riders and crews a fully professional, career extending or rejuvenating opportunity to race internationally for a prestigious championship.

I've said this a few times, but it's worth repeating. All the tears, the crying and whining, to the spittle flecked anger, is coming from spectators. I still haven't heard a single rider bag WSX. Plenty of riders bag AMA outdoors though for the grind and money.

Perhaps shortening Feld SX to 14 rounds would cut down on injuries, which tend to occur more frequently in the later rounds, and give the riders a 4 week break before MX. Less is more sometimes and doing that might stop WSX going from the 60% US Feldies, to the 70 or 80% that it looks like trending to.

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7/6/2023 3:34am

I really wonder how WSX is a "prestigious championship" in any way.

As a show, it's rather weak, and as far as determining who's the best SX rider in the world, it's totally meaningless.

7/6/2023 5:57am
CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this...

CPR will comment soon to tell you why the wsx schedule is brilliant. He has to be getting paid or know the wsx people at this point. Dude is balls deep(as pulp would say)in defending wsx.

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'Defending'  WSX for doing what exactly? Oh, that's right it's for offering older riders and crews a fully professional, career extending or rejuvenating opportunity to race...

'Defending'  WSX for doing what exactly? Oh, that's right it's for offering older riders and crews a fully professional, career extending or rejuvenating opportunity to race internationally for a prestigious championship.

I've said this a few times, but it's worth repeating. All the tears, the crying and whining, to the spittle flecked anger, is coming from spectators. I still haven't heard a single rider bag WSX. Plenty of riders bag AMA outdoors though for the grind and money.

Perhaps shortening Feld SX to 14 rounds would cut down on injuries, which tend to occur more frequently in the later rounds, and give the riders a 4 week break before MX. Less is more sometimes and doing that might stop WSX going from the 60% US Feldies, to the 70 or 80% that it looks like trending to.

I’m not gonna get in a wsx debate because my give a damn is limited regarding wsx vs us sx. To say no riders have complained is a flat out lie. At least two have came out and said the offers were for expenses only and they wouldn’t have made any money. IM sure someone who cares can help you find the names and comments. 

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7/6/2023 7:27am
Goldmember wrote:
'Defending'  WSX for doing what exactly? Oh, that's right it's for offering older riders and crews a fully professional, career extending or rejuvenating opportunity to race...

'Defending'  WSX for doing what exactly? Oh, that's right it's for offering older riders and crews a fully professional, career extending or rejuvenating opportunity to race internationally for a prestigious championship.

I've said this a few times, but it's worth repeating. All the tears, the crying and whining, to the spittle flecked anger, is coming from spectators. I still haven't heard a single rider bag WSX. Plenty of riders bag AMA outdoors though for the grind and money.

Perhaps shortening Feld SX to 14 rounds would cut down on injuries, which tend to occur more frequently in the later rounds, and give the riders a 4 week break before MX. Less is more sometimes and doing that might stop WSX going from the 60% US Feldies, to the 70 or 80% that it looks like trending to.

Feldies?  

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