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Have you seen the footage of the USS ForrestFire? McCain barely gets out from the flight deck fire. If the missile was fired from his AC, it would have skipped down the deck away from him.
I’m going to have to raise the BS flag on this one. I’m not a fan of his politics, but I won’t disparage the guy.
Bragg is also on the rename list, along with Hood, Benning, amongst others. Soon, I won’t know what/where they’re talking about!
Bases slated for renaming:
Fort Benning, Georgia — Fort Moore, after Army Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and his wife, Julia Compton Moore. Hal Moore received the Distinguished Service Cross for heroism in the Vietnam War. Julia Moore was an advocate for military families.
Fort Bragg, North Carolina — Fort Liberty.
Fort Gordon, Georgia — Fort Eisenhower, after President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was also a five-star Army general and served as the Supreme Allied Commander of forces in Europe during World War II.
Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia — Fort Walker after Dr. Mary Edwards Walker, the first female surgeon in the Civil War, and the only woman awarded the Medal of Honor.
Fort Hood, Texas — Fort Cavazos, after Army Gen. Richard E. Cavazos, who received the Distinguished Service Cross for heroism in the Vietnam War.
Fort Lee, Virginia — Fort Gregg-Adams, after Lt. Gen. Arthur Gregg and Lt. Col. Charity Adams. Gregg was a key figure in the integration of black soldiers into the Army. Adams was one of the highest-ranking female soldiers in World War II.
Fort Pickett, Virginia — Fort Barfoot, after Army Tech Sgt. Van T. Barfoot, who received the Medal of Honor for his actions with the 45th Infantry Division during World War II in Italy in 1944.
Fort Polk, Louisiana — Fort Johnson, after Army Sgt. William Henry Johnson, who received the Medal of Honor posthumously for action in the Argonne Forest of France during World War I.
Fort Rucker, Alabama — Fort Novosel, after Army Chief Warrant Officer 4 Michael J. Novosel, an aviator who received the Medal of Honor for a medevac mission under fire in Vietnam where he saved 29 soldiers.
I'm old so I may be misremembering...didn't he throttle up to haze another crew and that a/c inadvertently fired the missile or rocket?
Yeah, I'm just looking for prayers for my wife.
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I agree with you.
The renaming of these installations is political: with liberals leading and a few spineless Republicans, they are irradiating racists. Ok, but we don’t live in the 1930s we are not those people, and we are not racists. This action though, gives them the victory over racists (that don’t exist).
What they are ignoring is Lincoln forgave these men, restored them, and brought them back into the Union.
The installations can be named anything, I guess it doesn’t really matter but, this is simply a political stunt against political enemies of the left. Their actions to shame and erase really devalue us as Americans.
My wife had a stroke the week before last. She was much more fortunate than most, pretty much no lasting effects already. But we got extremely lucky as the tests they ran accidentally led to finding out that her replacement heart valve is failing long before it would have been seen normally.
I hope that recovery becomes faster for your wife soon.
As expected, the cult is attempting to derail the thread with personal insults and claiming I grew up rich (far from the truth, I wish though!).
Back on topic to something I still have not gotten a direct answer to …
Isolating the Trump case on its own, do we believe things are proceeding as they should be?
This has been answered. You are looking for confirmation bias.
As a born & bred southerner, I formerly stood by the “states’ rights” argument, and that confederate generals were defending their homes. However, at its core, the southern states were defending one of the heinous acts in human history, and that simply cannot be ignored.
Men like Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet were held in high regard, and their outmanned and outgunned soldiers fought valiantly (including a handful of relatives in the Edgecomb Guard). And many want these men exalted for their achievements off the battlefield. Yet every memorial is chiseled in their confederate battle gear, and history has inextricably linked them to defending slavery. It took me 40 years to look beyond my own viewpoint and see the war, and its generals, for what they really were.
I thought the state’s rights argument had been completely debunked for years now. Some still get tricked into it I guess. The state’s right to do what exactly? That’s all ya gotta ask. There’s only one correct answer. State’s rights has historically always been used, and is still currently used, to oppress minorities.
Every single Article of Secession of the confederate states outlines the most important ‘state’s right’ that led them to take up arms against our nation. There is no serious debate that doesn’t involve that being the utmost reason for so many Americans being senselessly killed in that treasonous rebellion.
Anyone still holding on to that ‘lost cause’ myth is doing so out of ignorance or intentional cognitive dissonance. No one can read the articles of secession and still honestly claim that the states weren’t primarily seceding over slavery.
You really do lack any functional knowledge of the Constitution and the founding of the Republic.
I never imagined that someone would ever live such a sad, pathetic, life, that they’d have to continuously create account after account after account to come insult people and argue politics on a moto forum, but here you are, proving me wrong.
After a war, your goal is to bring the country together. Part of that is psychological. You honor some of the people that fought on their side by naming things after their heroes. IF you are going for total capitulation of the population you'll just extend the ill will that they just lost and it will be very difficult to bring everyone together. As was stated before, armies are defending their homeland (in this case it was the south) It's not necessarily their political opinion but their job. The people need to see that they are not getting wiped out and overrun. That's why you let them keep some of their history.
Nice deflection, Corky.
It’s complicated and no one is asking you to ignore the history. But, redemption is an important part of American culture. It allows us to start over, accept others, be accepted. If it isn’t attainable we have a huge problem
They didn’t invent slavery, every culture had it. The difference is they should have been better and what they did and the war proved the Declaration of Independence right, it ended slavery It was an important step
They were forgiven.
It’s well documented that liberals are the most unhappy people out there. You don’t have anything to believe in but your elite liberal establishment dogma.
How pathetic.
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That’s a good post, Ace (or is it Mr. Dudemeister?). Forgiving those who passed away over a century ago is relatively simple; it’s those who still cling to “southern heritage” that create controversy. I am not ashamed of my family’s history, but I also gave up waving the confederate flag in the early 80s. Some of my family and childhood friends remain staunch defenders of the confederacy, falsely believing that southerners of the 19th century were regal and chivalrous, when in fact few we either.
I don’t live in the south and it wasn’t part of my upbringing. I suppose it would be interesting to figure out why someone held on to these things.
- Honor, it wasn’t. Less than 25% owned slaves, at various sizes. Why would the average person defend the elites?
- Lost cause, it was. They started something they could never win politically, culturally, economically, or militarily. It violated principles of America, culture changed, there was only one product for the entire group, there were no factories to support the effort. It was failed from start. The elites wasted the average southern dude for their selfish greed.
- Rebellousness, ok. This is part of our makeup as Americans. I think we all believe that we will stand up for what is right and support counter culture. But, it doesn’t mean joining the elites in their enterprise. If you think it empowers you, you don’t understand how you are being used to falsely defend untrue ideals of honor in a lost cause, above.
I suppose it would be interesting to get people to see these things and change their positions through discussion.
The term’Lost Cause’ is a bit different in this context than you seem to be referring to.
“The Lost Cause of the Confederacy (or simply the Lost Cause) is an Americanpseudohistorical[2][3]negationist myth[4][5][6] that claims the cause of the Confederate States during the American Civil War was just, heroic, and not centered on slavery.[7][8] First enunciated in 1866, it has continued to influence racism, gender roles, and religious attitudes in the Southern United States to the present day.[9][10] Many facets of the Lost Cause's false historiography – such as Robert E. Lee's heroic status as the best general in the war – have also become accepted throughout much of the U.S., although contemporary historians have made considerable inroads in chipping away at the Lost Cause mythos.”
Once again, my guy got down voted by 6 people (at the time of this post) for literally posting a video of Trump stating his opinions on classified documents. Telling.
The fact that there was blatant segregation 100 years after the war that southerners (as well as whites all over the county) fought hard to keep tells me they weren't at all sorry for having slaves, causing a civil war, and fostering a 2 tiered society. Redemption is earned.
The Missouri Compromise was passed in 1820 and England freed their slaves in the 1830s so abolition in the zeitgeist for a while before the first shots were fired at Ft Sumter. Southerners knew what they had. Even if only 25% of southerners owned slaves they had nearly 100% support from the rest of those states white populations.
Maybe they were downvoting Trump?
Like in 2020.
And 2022.
We’re talking about slavery but you are bringing in discrimination. Ok.
Do you think the south was any different than the north regarding discrimination against blacks? In some ways yes, but they discriminated and segregated up until 1964. Some say the north is still doing it, specifically NY.
Do you feel the same way about the north?
Also, England ended slavery and then decades later slave owners freed their slaves only after they were compensated.
So Trump had access and possibly retains privilege regarding classified information that Biden didn’t have until recent and Clinton has never had.
Hope he gets the chance to hold them accountable.
Yeah, that's what they were doing.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
They’re not the people with an indictment hanging over them (and not the subject of this thread).
That said, if they’re guilty, indict them. The rules are straightforward, as your man in the video has made quite clear. Present the evidence (like Jack Smith has) and throw the book at them.
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