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You need to seriously Expand your horizons. Far past the plains young man.
Ever ask yourself why the rich never move to the US? Don't say elon. He wasnt rich then. Well off, far from rich.
Imagine a place where to be there, you need to first open a bank account and prove you have a place to live. Rent or own with a lease and apply ro be there Or you get kicked out.
That automatically makes for zero illegsl immigration. And no need for a socal welfare system other than retired folk who PAID to get it. No freebies.
Just because Martin Van Buren spoke English as his second language doesn’t mean he was an illegal immigrant.
The vast majority of Americans have no idea the true scope of the issue or the threat to our country and way of life. They boil it down to dumb anecdotes like "they just want a good life" or "I have no problem if they just follow the process". Petro Engineer is the closest. This is an all out, conscious, purposeful effort to fundamentally change and destroy our country. There is no debating that. The only questions left to ask are who and why.
In the mean time.. enjoy.
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I blame the scarcity mindset. We have so much here, and many others have so little. If America is so great, why wouldn't you want to share it with others? Why so selfish?
As for the Fentanyl/drugs, it's ironic that personal responsibility goes out the window as soon as there's a person that doesn't look like you or sound like you to blame.
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Look where you went with the fentanyl. Predictable.
About the immigration side of all this: you respond as if immigration law doesn’t matter. Instead, it’s all virtue and feelings.
Yeah, I place value in people over laws I generally disagree with—at one point racial segregation was a law too. Thankfully progressives changed that—that's how this works.
It's too slow, complicated & expensive to immigrate here. I applaud others for making what has to be a scary, life-changing decision to do what it takes for a better lives for themselves—immigration or otherwise.
We would probably agree on two things, here.
1. The people coming here aren’t the problem. The politicians that refuse to address it are.
2. What’s happening at the border is a human-rights FAIL of epic and unrecognized proportions (unrecognized by the mainstream).
OK.. so back to the usual "they just want a better life".. i.e.-they are all "economic migrants". This line of thinking presupposes that anyone who is in a lower financial potential circumstance automatically has some assumed right to enter our country at will in order to improve their financial opportunities. As if that trumps any national sovereignty or the right of our nation to determine who, if anyone, has any right to enter.
Let's pull that thread of logic a little, just on a pure numbers. How many people in the world live in poverty? Or in any country financially worse off than the USA? What is the population of the USA vs the number of people in the world that would like to come here? Do every single one of them have a right to come here? Do we have unlimited resources to take in all the worlds impoverished people and improve their life? What will happen to a prosperous country of 330M if it takes in 330M impoverished people from 3rd world countries?
Never mind we haven't even touched the fact that they all break the law to come here. They literally start their "American Dream" by flipping off our laws. And as far as claiming amnesty, the vast majority are amnesty fraudsters. They are working the system. Again, showing disdain and selfishness towards our laws.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
1. Sure, but what we want them to do is going to be very different. Also read the posts in this thread—I don't think many others would agree. Fear mongering about them literally destroying America and killing people—those read to me as complaints about the people themselves.
2. 100% agreed it's a human-rights fail, but I disagree it's unrecognized (though I'm not sure if mainstream here means general populous or media). Is the border not a constant headline? I've been hearing about caravans, walls, crisis my entire adult life.
I dont get the fentanyl topic
for gun control topics, its not the guns fault, or the gun seller, it is the person shooting the gun
for overdoses, its not the drugs fault, or the over-doser, its the seller.
Where's the accountability, unless people are randomly being injected it seems like the vast majority of the blame should fall on the person using the drug?
Then pack up and move bro.
This ain't no different than the little bitches who said "If Trump get elected I'm moving to Canada" and then of course didn't.
If America sucks so bad, there is flights outta here every day. You can drive your car out to the north and south. Hell, you can buy a boat and sail yourself outta here from both coasts. Lots of options.
Bye.
I mean that's the difference—I don't think being born here gives me any right to have a choice whether people come or go. The same as I don't think I should be able to tell people not to move from one coast to the other. I value personal freedom over this law, and I'll be you make the same tradeoff for other laws.
> Do we have unlimited resources to take in all the worlds impoverished people and improve their life?
No, and that's a straw man because they don't have the means to get here. But that also assumes that they can't make their own way once here. Not every immigrant is a freeloader. Just like every citizen isn't.
Laws aren't always just. Laws aren't always permanent. Would you fault Rosa Parks? Could you ever kill someone that harmed your child?
> the vast majority are amnesty fraudsters
Have a source for that?
You could have just summarized by saying you are full open borders, national borders and national sovereignty are non-existent concepts to you.
Dude should open up any spare rooms or spare space on his property for these immigrants to live then.
Stop taking things to the extreme. You’re better than that. Everyone defending gun rights doesn’t advocate for mass shootings.
I actually agree with some of what you said , especially the personal responsibility stuff. The difference is , people with a gun know they have a gun. The fentanyl is being made to look like something else. Xanax for one , which is killing young people. And they are also finding cocaine laced with it. Not to long ago some small group of people were partying just south of me....got an 8 ball of coke and were partying it up. 6 out of the 7 died from the fentanyl laced cocaine.
Your right.....guns do not kill people on their own , that's the choice of the person. But a kid taking a Xanax, or some people partying..... unknowingly injected fentanyl and died. This is happening all over the country.
I don’t think you meant to reply to me.
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fair enough, I can half-way agree with you on this.
I still see it as "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" when it comes to taking illegal drugs, but I can also see your side of it with laced drugs not being apples to apples with gun control.
They gotta live somewhere bro, if you are all for them coming here unregulated then you should be all about opening up your doors for them.
Or is it one of those "It's cool if they all come here, just don't inconvenience me" type deals?
Mass shootings are gonna have to happen somewhere. If you are all for them not being regulated, you should be perfectly fine with a mass shooting occurring at the supermarket you’re shopping at.
Or is it one of those, “I oppose gun legislation unless it might affect me” type of deals?
See how taking things to the extreme works and how silly it sounds? Do better. Be rational.
Where in the fuck did I say anything about guns or gun regulation?
How exactly do you know what my thoughts on that are?
Are you just ignorantly assuming, that like yourself, I have just chosen a political team and will blindly follow anything and everything they tell me to do?
Be better. Use your brain. Quit making completely uneducated assumptions and quit just following every talking point your "team" has told you to follow.
It’s called a comparison. Do you know what that is? It’s when you take someone’s example of one issue and apply it to something else to hopefully show them that taking things to the extreme is silly.
I never once stated what your position on gun control was. Again, I was using it as a comparison. Two hot topic issues right now being compared with similar rationality is not uncommon.
I have not “chosen a team to blindly follow” nor did I ever claim you did. Why are you jumping to this conclusion?
Fair enough.
I guess I just assumed anyone who would defend Biden must just be a blind follower of the Liberal faith.
My apologies.
I still stand by my statement, if you think all these folks should just be able to come here illegally in unlimited numbers then you should open your doors and property for them. Period.
And to address your grocery store comment, I pack heat every time I leave my house. If a mass shooting happens at my supermarket.... I'll either be a hero or die trying.
I don’t think anyone should come here illegally. That’s a very popular view among both sides of the aisle. Some in here went way beyond that view though if you scan through the posts.
The US has no barrier to entry, therefore it's all trash and riff raff that comes.
Does Miss Venezuala or Miss El Salvador and their families sneak through the desert looking for free shit? No.
Most all who advocate for open borders and come and go policies are too dumb to realize why they are broke and poor and can't afford their own families, yet somehow feel it is fine to afford 100 kids that ain't theirs while doing without themselves.
Rich people aren't out feeding the poor unless it is a publicity stunt.
People say they're not broke and illegals don't affect you. Have a mortgage? You're broke. Car payments? You're broke. Credit cards? You're broke. You're living on borrowed money. If you weren't broke, you don't need to borrow.
Americans are one hiccup from living in a tent. Imagine all your creditors calling everything due, today. Could you pay it? 99% would lose everyrhing they have because their wages are too low to afford life.
Look how many can't even afford their own food. Not temporarily, but for generations...
America is one step from being Juarez or Tijuana. If not already.
"They want a better life for themselves".
Yes, with your money while Instantly turning a taxpayer paid 5 star resort hotel into a thrashed 3rd world graffiti covered dump.
Obama phones for illegals with free unlimited international talk and text. Cell phones are luxury items, not charity items.. If they want to talk to relatives, start walking home or buy a greyhound to the border.
If there was no free shit in the US, nobody would come. Nobody. No people with money rushing the border.
Petro, do you think that if illegals did not do certain jobs, then legals would do those jobs at a much higer rate, and goods would be less?
My dogs would let a sandwhich go to waste
As far as I'm concerned, they should take all the food to the animal shelters. These people are less grateful.
Further, 500 a night rooms better than your house with free maid service!
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/tons-of-food-gets-tossed-by-nyc-hotel-bec…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11629115/Migrants-staying-500-…
Yeah man it's crazy. I am a firm believer in the " play stupid games , win stupid prize's". I think the stakes are way higher now days compared to when I grew up if you were looking for some recreational type drugs. It's like Russian roulette now days. 70,000 people a year..... weather they thought they were taking fentanyl or not....is crazy , and very sad. BUT a lot of those people made a choice to take that chance. It just totally sucks!
Don’t bother responding to him. Unfortunately, many on the left have made these words meaningless due to their overuse. But he’s clearly racist and xenophobic. He’s one of those that thinks Obama was an illegal immigrant who became POTUS.
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