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Why when I was at Budd's Creek standing on the fence watching 450 seeded practice (yes the only one they got), Chad Reed stopped 2 laps in a row, on a single around the corner, before the finish line and didn't get bitched at? I looked around and there was plenty of officials, but they all just turned there backs...

I know numerous riders that got docked for stuff like that. He placed his foot on the ground both laps, and even had his goggles off one time to de-fog them. To me, he should of gotten his first 2 laps deleted, but when I went to the AMA trailer nothing had been changed.

What happened to all the fair-ness?
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Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
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rc4187 9/6/2009 9:04am
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I may be wrong... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track , but i don't think the rulebook says anything about stopping.
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MX479Guy wrote:
Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track.

And at the end of practices you can go look at lap times. It usually has a few riders at the bottom of sheet pointing out they stopped during their practice and got docked their fastest time.

1 stop is your first fast lap docked
2 stops is your second fast lap docked

Why was Chad Reed overlooked and not cared about while there are many others that get docked, some of which get docked and pushed out of qualifying position.

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MX479Guy 9/6/2009 9:17am
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MX479Guy wrote:
Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
Rasta88 wrote:
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track. And at the end of practices you can...
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track.

And at the end of practices you can go look at lap times. It usually has a few riders at the bottom of sheet pointing out they stopped during their practice and got docked their fastest time.

1 stop is your first fast lap docked
2 stops is your second fast lap docked

Why was Chad Reed overlooked and not cared about while there are many others that get docked, some of which get docked and pushed out of qualifying position.

So what happens if you crash, and thus STOP on the track?

That rule doesn't make complete sense.

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Rasta88 9/6/2009 9:25am
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It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something, because you guys just sit on here and wait for people to post so you can disagree and start hell.

Well, it's a rule, you can't stop, if you do, you get docked.

If you crash, you crash... You get back up, putt around till the finish line, then go on with your next fast lap. It's not rocket science.
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MX479Guy 9/6/2009 9:45am
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Rasta88 wrote:
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something...
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something, because you guys just sit on here and wait for people to post so you can disagree and start hell.

Well, it's a rule, you can't stop, if you do, you get docked.

If you crash, you crash... You get back up, putt around till the finish line, then go on with your next fast lap. It's not rocket science.
So crashing is a stop, correct? Your forward motion comes to a stop.

Lets forget about the rule...Who's your guy and what axe are you trying to grind because he didn't qualify?
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I will check on it. I personally don't see a problem with someone waiting for open track, sitting on the side for a moment before trying a fast lap, but I don't have a rulebook handy and don't know the rule off the top of my head. I will ask Jeff Canfield tonight and try to get back to you.

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I may me mistaken but I think that's a SX-only rule.
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tasbrock 9/6/2009 11:33am
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According to Zeno's third paradox - The Arrow - as long as an object occupies a space equal to itself, it never has motion. Since all riders always occupy a space equal to themselves, they never have motion. Since they have no motion, how can they stop? So, Chad never stopped on the track, because he had no motion...let's move on.
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Farva 9/6/2009 12:01pm
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rc4187 wrote:
[u]I may be wrong[/u]... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track...
I may be wrong... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track , but i don't think the rulebook says anything about stopping.
You can't stop on the track in practice.

It was Lemoine or someone who they gave last gate pick or docked there fastest lap time (I don't remember what one) a year ago at the outdoors for stopping and picking someones bike off of them when I first learned of that dumb rule. Believe Tim Ferry also got docked at G.H this year for it.
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MX479Guy wrote:
Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
Rasta88 wrote:
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track. And at the end of practices you can...
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track.

And at the end of practices you can go look at lap times. It usually has a few riders at the bottom of sheet pointing out they stopped during their practice and got docked their fastest time.

1 stop is your first fast lap docked
2 stops is your second fast lap docked

Why was Chad Reed overlooked and not cared about while there are many others that get docked, some of which get docked and pushed out of qualifying position.

MX479Guy wrote:
So what happens if you crash, and thus STOP on the track?

That rule doesn't make complete sense.
It states in the rule book that bike malfunctions and crashes don't apply

Don't be a smart ass.
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Rasta88 9/6/2009 3:43pm
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Rasta88 wrote:
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something...
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something, because you guys just sit on here and wait for people to post so you can disagree and start hell.

Well, it's a rule, you can't stop, if you do, you get docked.

If you crash, you crash... You get back up, putt around till the finish line, then go on with your next fast lap. It's not rocket science.
MX479Guy wrote:
So crashing is a stop, correct? Your forward motion comes to a stop. Lets forget about the rule...Who's your guy and what axe are you trying...
So crashing is a stop, correct? Your forward motion comes to a stop.

Lets forget about the rule...Who's your guy and what axe are you trying to grind because he didn't qualify?
No one personally, just saw a couple things that made me wanna speak out.

I just want to see everyone get treated the same, whether they are winning the series or running 35th in moto's.
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rc4187 wrote:
[u]I may be wrong[/u]... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track...
I may be wrong... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track , but i don't think the rulebook says anything about stopping.
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You can't stop on the track in practice.It was Lemoine or someone who they gave last gate pick or docked there fastest lap time (I don't...
You can't stop on the track in practice.

It was Lemoine or someone who they gave last gate pick or docked there fastest lap time (I don't remember what one) a year ago at the outdoors for stopping and picking someones bike off of them when I first learned of that dumb rule. Believe Tim Ferry also got docked at G.H this year for it.
i might be wrong but i think Ferry's time got deleted at GH cause of something about his pipe not passing sound or tech or something but he still did practice? Once again i might be wrong...
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rc4187 wrote:
[u]I may be wrong[/u]... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track...
I may be wrong... but I don't think there's any rule against stopping. You can't go the wrong way and you can't cut the track , but i don't think the rulebook says anything about stopping.
Farva wrote:
You can't stop on the track in practice.It was Lemoine or someone who they gave last gate pick or docked there fastest lap time (I don't...
You can't stop on the track in practice.

It was Lemoine or someone who they gave last gate pick or docked there fastest lap time (I don't remember what one) a year ago at the outdoors for stopping and picking someones bike off of them when I first learned of that dumb rule. Believe Tim Ferry also got docked at G.H this year for it.
ML512 wrote:
i might be wrong but i think Ferry's time got deleted at GH cause of something about his pipe not passing sound or tech or something...
i might be wrong but i think Ferry's time got deleted at GH cause of something about his pipe not passing sound or tech or something but he still did practice? Once again i might be wrong...
I'm sorry that's right I messed up on that one.
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wardy 9/6/2009 5:45pm
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isn't that what practice is for? look around, make sure you get a good view of the whole track, lines, etc????

as long as the rider is off to the edge of the track and not createing a safety risk, whats the big deal?
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i think they should change the qualifying procedure back. I know itd be hard to do with the one day format now, but i think that its making the tracks more one lined. everyone just trying to put in their fast lap instead of trying new things, working on a line that would come into play later in the motos. Can't exactly put a haybale out there now to make seperate lines.
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Rasta88 9/6/2009 7:08pm
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wardy wrote:
isn't that what practice is for? look around, make sure you get a good view of the whole track, lines, etc???? as long as the rider...
isn't that what practice is for? look around, make sure you get a good view of the whole track, lines, etc????

as long as the rider is off to the edge of the track and not createing a safety risk, whats the big deal?
Yes, that is what practice is for, but practice these days are also qualifying. So whether you know the track or not, you gotta go out first practice and pin it outside of your comfort zone.

There is no time to even look at the track when everyone is going for a top 40 lap time.
sbarrington314 9/6/2009 7:09pm
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so he should keep riding when something is wrong with his goggles? get a clue you fool.

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Rasta88 9/6/2009 7:13pm
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so he should keep riding when something is wrong with his goggles? get a clue you fool.
My point wasn't him stopping to fix his goggles. He probably didn't even need to, but he adjusted them because he knew that would be a logical excuse if he was questioned/docked.

What riders do is slow down if they have a gap behind them, so they can get a clear track ahead of them once they cross the finish line. Every other ride rolled the jumps before the finish line slowly, if they needed a gap.
BornA'Lil2Slow 9/6/2009 7:18pm
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wow, the season is over and someone is still nit picking and trying to rulefuck someone... this will make some mad, but its reality... nothing can be %100 fair, all the time, 24/7, and rank has its privileges.

Given the circumstances, a mudder, given the abbreviated practice schedule, I can confidently say that for once the AMA got it right in this situation and didnt blindly stick their head in a rulebook. its 1 thing to enforce rules under normal circumstances, its completely different to head-up-ass it when a monsoon is underway or on its way.

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Rasta88 wrote:
DC- Why when I was at Budd's Creek standing on the fence watching 450 seeded practice (yes the only one they got), Chad Reed stopped 2...
DC-

Why when I was at Budd's Creek standing on the fence watching 450 seeded practice (yes the only one they got), Chad Reed stopped 2 laps in a row, on a single around the corner, before the finish line and didn't get bitched at? I looked around and there was plenty of officials, but they all just turned there backs...

I know numerous riders that got docked for stuff like that. He placed his foot on the ground both laps, and even had his goggles off one time to de-fog them. To me, he should of gotten his first 2 laps deleted, but when I went to the AMA trailer nothing had been changed.

What happened to all the fair-ness?
eat shit dork....
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MX479Guy wrote:
Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
Rasta88 wrote:
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track. And at the end of practices you can...
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track.

And at the end of practices you can go look at lap times. It usually has a few riders at the bottom of sheet pointing out they stopped during their practice and got docked their fastest time.

1 stop is your first fast lap docked
2 stops is your second fast lap docked

Why was Chad Reed overlooked and not cared about while there are many others that get docked, some of which get docked and pushed out of qualifying position.

wow...you sure follow this shit for just being a dicktip.
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BobbyM 9/6/2009 9:12pm
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Rasta88 wrote:
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something...
It's a known rule man, I dunno what to tell you. Can't wait for someone to come in and confirm the rule that actually knows something, because you guys just sit on here and wait for people to post so you can disagree and start hell.

Well, it's a rule, you can't stop, if you do, you get docked.

If you crash, you crash... You get back up, putt around till the finish line, then go on with your next fast lap. It's not rocket science.
MX479Guy wrote:
So crashing is a stop, correct? Your forward motion comes to a stop. Lets forget about the rule...Who's your guy and what axe are you trying...
So crashing is a stop, correct? Your forward motion comes to a stop.

Lets forget about the rule...Who's your guy and what axe are you trying to grind because he didn't qualify?
Rasta88 wrote:
No one personally, just saw a couple things that made me wanna speak out. I just want to see everyone get treated the same, whether they...
No one personally, just saw a couple things that made me wanna speak out.

I just want to see everyone get treated the same, whether they are winning the series or running 35th in moto's.
how old are you? this is life...shit happens. too fucking bad, the rules aren't the same for everybody and don't even try to blame DC or anybody else. that is life and simply put you are fucking up at life it seems. crying and bitching will not get you anywhere. send a fucking email to the ref...send it to espn...speed but fuck off while you are here. you come in and ask a question and sound like yer just a bystander but yer not...you are sucking "industry team" somewhere...ain't you?
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TP got docked in STL SX this past year for it. I didn't realize that was also a rule in MX. I can understand TP not knowing the rule but can't imagine Chad not knowing it. Seems odd that he would stop if he knew it was a violation. There must be more to the story.
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Void Main wrote:
TP got docked in STL SX this past year for it. I didn't realize that was also a rule in MX. I can understand TP not...
TP got docked in STL SX this past year for it. I didn't realize that was also a rule in MX. I can understand TP not knowing the rule but can't imagine Chad not knowing it. Seems odd that he would stop if he knew it was a violation. There must be more to the story.
There is always more to the story.
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MX479Guy wrote:
Placed his foot on the ground and defogged his goggles? oh no! Ban him for life!

What kinda answer are you looking for from DC?
Rasta88 wrote:
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track. And at the end of practices you can...
A new rule in SX and MX is during times qualifying (practice) you can't stop on the track.

And at the end of practices you can go look at lap times. It usually has a few riders at the bottom of sheet pointing out they stopped during their practice and got docked their fastest time.

1 stop is your first fast lap docked
2 stops is your second fast lap docked

Why was Chad Reed overlooked and not cared about while there are many others that get docked, some of which get docked and pushed out of qualifying position.

BobbyM wrote:
wow...you sure follow this shit for just being a dicktip.
Why do you guys have to be so awful sometimes? BobbyM, MX479? It's a legit question. It wouldn't be the first sport where top guys get preferential treatment. Let him ask it and get his answer, Christ.
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... in all honesty, who cares?
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... in all honesty, who cares?
Hooray!!! gotta be the winning reply................... I'm with you DD
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His 3rd fastest lap was probably still the fastest in the class, so no reason to dock him.
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tasbrock wrote:
According to Zeno's third paradox - The Arrow - as long as an object occupies a space equal to itself, it never has motion. Since all...
According to Zeno's third paradox - The Arrow - as long as an object occupies a space equal to itself, it never has motion. Since all riders always occupy a space equal to themselves, they never have motion. Since they have no motion, how can they stop? So, Chad never stopped on the track, because he had no motion...let's move on.
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