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If you had a company with advertisement money to spend would you spend it on the outdoor nationals knowing the web cast's might not even work?
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sundios 9/5/2009 11:01am
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no i would spend it in advertisement telling that allisports sucks and that everyone should be fired including the owner of that crap..
thats just me
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is just me but Allisports seems to have one job, and one job only, i think its fair to say they are failing at the moment
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I'd spend it on SX so people had to pay to only listen.
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statefeed&grain 9/5/2009 11:29am
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I'll take the free video over the pay for audio of sx anyday. Just saying.

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BornA'Lil2Slow 9/5/2009 11:39am
9/5/2009 11:39am
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO clue about webcasting.

Blaming this on Alli, the webcast HOST, meaning they have zero todo with pushing the webcast stream, they just have the site and the servers for us to connect to get the stream. thats it. they dont capture the video at the track from the truck, they dont capture the audio from weege. All they do is have hosting capabilites.

Now, at the track, I dont know what the issue is. We get the test sound, but the video is way subpar to normal. Taking an educated guess, because this happened to me during bookoo arenacross, they might have had the box used to capture the video and sound, mix it and stream it to Alli's server, take a dump! Then had to grab something to try to get things going, used a laptop, and found out the the onboard sound wasnt compatible to get the audo feeds in and mixed because the webcasting software doesnt recognise the sound hardware.
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jmar 9/5/2009 11:41am
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If I owned a large corporation, the outdoor nationals wouldn't even be on my list.

I love he sport but the reality that it would be a poor business decision to spend money on advertising at the outdoor nationals.
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Farva 9/5/2009 11:43am
9/5/2009 11:43am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2009 11:44am
BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO...
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO clue about webcasting.

Blaming this on Alli, the webcast HOST, meaning they have zero todo with pushing the webcast stream, they just have the site and the servers for us to connect to get the stream. thats it. they dont capture the video at the track from the truck, they dont capture the audio from weege. All they do is have hosting capabilites.

Now, at the track, I dont know what the issue is. We get the test sound, but the video is way subpar to normal. Taking an educated guess, because this happened to me during bookoo arenacross, they might have had the box used to capture the video and sound, mix it and stream it to Alli's server, take a dump! Then had to grab something to try to get things going, used a laptop, and found out the the onboard sound wasnt compatible to get the audo feeds in and mixed because the webcasting software doesnt recognise the sound hardware.
If they didn't do their homework before the gate drops people will bitch about it as they should. That's all stuff they should have done and had figured out before the first moto at G.H.
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ASH510 9/5/2009 11:50am
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i would find another sport that has more returne for investment.
unless i did not care about the bottom line. the whole system needs
a update how in the heck could a race of only left turns get so much
more money thrown at it than moto?
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO...
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO clue about webcasting.

Blaming this on Alli, the webcast HOST, meaning they have zero todo with pushing the webcast stream, they just have the site and the servers for us to connect to get the stream. thats it. they dont capture the video at the track from the truck, they dont capture the audio from weege. All they do is have hosting capabilites.

Now, at the track, I dont know what the issue is. We get the test sound, but the video is way subpar to normal. Taking an educated guess, because this happened to me during bookoo arenacross, they might have had the box used to capture the video and sound, mix it and stream it to Alli's server, take a dump! Then had to grab something to try to get things going, used a laptop, and found out the the onboard sound wasnt compatible to get the audo feeds in and mixed because the webcasting software doesnt recognise the sound hardware.
Whatever their excuse is, if it's their job to bring us the race and they don't deliver for whatever reason, it's on them. It's their job to have all their ducks in a row. What passes for professionalism in mx would be laughed at in all other pro sports.
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Moto East Mag 9/5/2009 11:59am
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO...
you guys.... you would bitch if they were going to hang you with an old rope because you wanted a new one... and you have NO clue about webcasting.

Blaming this on Alli, the webcast HOST, meaning they have zero todo with pushing the webcast stream, they just have the site and the servers for us to connect to get the stream. thats it. they dont capture the video at the track from the truck, they dont capture the audio from weege. All they do is have hosting capabilites.

Now, at the track, I dont know what the issue is. We get the test sound, but the video is way subpar to normal. Taking an educated guess, because this happened to me during bookoo arenacross, they might have had the box used to capture the video and sound, mix it and stream it to Alli's server, take a dump! Then had to grab something to try to get things going, used a laptop, and found out the the onboard sound wasnt compatible to get the audo feeds in and mixed because the webcasting software doesnt recognise the sound hardware.
This is the thing...I am not going to get on the slamwagon here...but


Fans shouldn't have to worry about boxes and webcast equipment and all that-- any more than a football fan should worry about how a camera and sound system works.
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TerryK 9/5/2009 12:04pm
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You guys need to do your homework before you start your crying. The webcast video is pulled directly from the TV feed. The audio problem has zero to do with the webcast people hence now that the TV portion is done, we miraculously have sound.

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Farva 9/5/2009 12:06pm
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TerryK wrote:
You guys need to do your homework before you start your crying. The webcast video is pulled directly from the TV feed. The audio problem has...
You guys need to do your homework before you start your crying. The webcast video is pulled directly from the TV feed. The audio problem has zero to do with the webcast people hence now that the TV portion is done, we miraculously have sound.

It DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT, the damn thing should work. Period.
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TerryK 9/5/2009 12:11pm
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Farva wrote:
It DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT, the damn thing should work. Period.
lmao, it's electronic equipment, designed, built and run by HUMANS. But I'm sure you've never ever had a mechanical breakdown in you life right? No TV on the blink, no car broken down, no bike problems???
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Farva 9/5/2009 12:16pm
9/5/2009 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2009 12:20pm
Farva wrote:
It DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT, the damn thing should work. Period.
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lmao, it's electronic equipment, designed, built and run by HUMANS. But I'm sure you've never ever had a mechanical breakdown in you life right? No TV...
lmao, it's electronic equipment, designed, built and run by HUMANS. But I'm sure you've never ever had a mechanical breakdown in you life right? No TV on the blink, no car broken down, no bike problems???
Just like you don't go to a big race with one bike and no parts to fix the bikes, you shouldn't go to a big race you're working audio/video at with only one set of equipment for the audio/video equipment or at least the parts to fix it.

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TerryK 9/5/2009 12:20pm
9/5/2009 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2009 12:23pm
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just can't fix it. Maybe it was some other circumstance that prevented it, something beyond their control? Do you blame you local dealer when the factory runs out of a certain part for your bike? I hope not, because it's not the dealers fault now is it?
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SPYGUY 9/5/2009 12:24pm
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jmar wrote:
If I owned a large corporation, the outdoor nationals wouldn't even be on my list. I love he sport but the reality that it would be...
If I owned a large corporation, the outdoor nationals wouldn't even be on my list.

I love he sport but the reality that it would be a poor business decision to spend money on advertising at the outdoor nationals.
Being a sponsor for the outdoor nationals is embarrassingly cheap.

I'd say it's paying off for Lucas Oil.
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Farva 9/5/2009 12:24pm
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lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just...
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just can't fix it. Maybe it was some other circumstance that prevented it, something beyond their control? Do you blame you local dealer when the factory runs out of a certain part for your bike? I hope not, because it's not the dealers fault now is it?
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger.

If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well, there was nothing we could do."

I'm sure the NFL wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


I'm sure the NBA wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


and so on and so on... See a trend?
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Holigan 9/5/2009 12:43pm
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You mean like the NFL allowing a big screen to be hung low enough that punters hit it?

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Ing 9/5/2009 12:46pm
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Yep, if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. Get someone who can.
MeyerLarry 9/5/2009 12:51pm
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Rumor has it someone stole the box...No one knows how they got out the gate, but someone finally ratted them out. They finally caught up with the guy in Morgantown. As you can tell, they got it back in time for the WMA, after LaMay’s mom went to get it from the police station.
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eddie 9/5/2009 12:55pm
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Holigan wrote:
You mean like the NFL allowing a big screen to be hung low enough that punters hit it?
or like hanging a banner so close the track that a rider clips it with his arm while in the air ?
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Farva 9/5/2009 12:57pm
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You mean like the NFL allowing a big screen to be hung low enough that punters hit it?
Hitting the board made the sound on the T.V/internet out for the entire game and they couldn't fix it, or is that apples to oranges?


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Brent 9/5/2009 12:58pm
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Look, for years motocross was run by an organization who put a guy like STEVE WHITELOCK in charge of racing. Remember when there was NO title sponsor for the nationals, and FMF had to step in?

it may take a while for Coombs and Co. to fix all the shit that has been done badly for so long. Im sure its hard to turn everything around in one year...
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Holigan 9/5/2009 1:03pm
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Brent wrote:
Look, for years motocross was run by an organization who put a guy like [i]STEVE WHITELOCK[/i] in charge of racing. Remember when there was NO title...
Look, for years motocross was run by an organization who put a guy like STEVE WHITELOCK in charge of racing. Remember when there was NO title sponsor for the nationals, and FMF had to step in?

it may take a while for Coombs and Co. to fix all the shit that has been done badly for so long. Im sure its hard to turn everything around in one year...
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jmar 9/5/2009 2:26pm
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jmar wrote:
If I owned a large corporation, the outdoor nationals wouldn't even be on my list. I love he sport but the reality that it would be...
If I owned a large corporation, the outdoor nationals wouldn't even be on my list.

I love he sport but the reality that it would be a poor business decision to spend money on advertising at the outdoor nationals.
SPYGUY wrote:
Being a sponsor for the outdoor nationals is embarrassingly cheap.

I'd say it's paying off for Lucas Oil.
Maybe but Lucas Oil is some what industry related.

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gt80rider 9/5/2009 2:27pm
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a lot more people have followed the nats this year because of the changes than probably ever before... i have not seen exact numbers, but i'd suspect that advertising the nats this year was a fantastic deal cost/vs exposure compared to previous years of the nats, and a much better "deal" than advertising in the sx series....
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TerryK 9/5/2009 2:33pm
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Farva wrote:
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger. If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well...
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger.

If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well, there was nothing we could do."

I'm sure the NFL wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


I'm sure the NBA wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


and so on and so on... See a trend?
You are completely wrong. My attitude is, that I'd like to read threads on moto forums without having to wade through all the posts of people whining like little kids about something they can do nothing about. I agree it sucks not having everything perfect, but hey, what is perfect these days? Sitting behind a computer screen bitching about a problem you know NOTHING about solves nothing as does laying blame when you don't know who's at fault. People are so convinced it's this guys fault or that guys fault, but not one person here knows the real story, and until we do, whats the point of blaming anyone?
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TerryK wrote:
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just...
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just can't fix it. Maybe it was some other circumstance that prevented it, something beyond their control? Do you blame you local dealer when the factory runs out of a certain part for your bike? I hope not, because it's not the dealers fault now is it?
Farva wrote:
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger. If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well...
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger.

If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well, there was nothing we could do."

I'm sure the NFL wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


I'm sure the NBA wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


and so on and so on... See a trend?
Waiting for the "You should be happy we even have it on TV/Radio.......we used to have to wait 6 months to watch the Carlsbad GP" line.
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Farva 9/5/2009 2:41pm
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TerryK wrote:
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just...
lol, come on, just admit your aggression was misplaced. EVERY company, and business in the world has problems....no matter what the precaution. Some times, you just can't fix it. Maybe it was some other circumstance that prevented it, something beyond their control? Do you blame you local dealer when the factory runs out of a certain part for your bike? I hope not, because it's not the dealers fault now is it?
Farva wrote:
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger. If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well...
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger.

If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well, there was nothing we could do."

I'm sure the NFL wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


I'm sure the NBA wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


and so on and so on... See a trend?
Poker_Player wrote:
Waiting for the "You should be happy we even have it on TV/Radio.......we used to have to wait 6 months to watch the Carlsbad GP" line.
So that means we shouldn't hope or give advice on how it shoudl be better?

Got it.
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Farva 9/5/2009 2:42pm
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Farva wrote:
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger. If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well...
You're attitude is the same attitude this sport has and the same reason this sport wont get bigger.

If something goes wrong simply say, "Oh well, there was nothing we could do."

I'm sure the NFL wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


I'm sure the NBA wouldn't have the required equipment to fix everything.


and so on and so on... See a trend?
TerryK wrote:
You are completely wrong. My attitude is, that I'd like to read threads on moto forums without having to wade through all the posts of people...
You are completely wrong. My attitude is, that I'd like to read threads on moto forums without having to wade through all the posts of people whining like little kids about something they can do nothing about. I agree it sucks not having everything perfect, but hey, what is perfect these days? Sitting behind a computer screen bitching about a problem you know NOTHING about solves nothing as does laying blame when you don't know who's at fault. People are so convinced it's this guys fault or that guys fault, but not one person here knows the real story, and until we do, whats the point of blaming anyone?
I never laid blame I actually asked if you had a company would you give money to a thing that you know might not work,,,

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