Grendel claims Mathes libelous

swizcore wrote:

Actually tx, my post was just a comment in regard to the general opinion on Grendel on Vital. Not your libel question. I just didnt want...

Actually tx, my post was just a comment in regard to the general opinion on Grendel on Vital. Not your libel question. I just didnt want to create another Grendel thread. I guess I should have posted it in the Grendel DMXS thread.

txmxer wrote:

thanks, I was wondering. I'm not trying to get into all the "who is he" drama.

swizcore wrote:

Grendel is doing the right thing by remaining silent. It wouldnt behoove him to get involved in a discussion about himself, people already think he's egotistical...

Grendel is doing the right thing by remaining silent. It wouldnt behoove him to get involved in a discussion about himself, people already think he's egotistical. Its really a lose /lose; its pretty apparent he's not going to change any opinions of him around here.

I dont see the big dislike for him really. On DMXS I though he was well spoken, and had moto opinions just like all of us. I didnt agree with him on everything he said but his thoughts and opinions were logical.

If he came off sounding arrogant, I think it was just due to the line of questioning from David; it was kind of based off Grendels rep on Vital of being a well spoken intelligent poster who is very even-keeled and doesnt get emotional about anything. David wasnt pumping him up either, it was just questioning Grendel about Grendel. Hell, he even said he was a nobody.

Grendel and I disagree at times but I respect his posts because they make sense to me.

*I'd also like to mention my frustration with the irony in posting to say a topic should die.

txmxer wrote:

Figured I better start a new thread so Grendel could clarify his statement: [i]Grendel wrote: I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put...

Figured I better start a new thread so Grendel could clarify his statement:

Grendel wrote: I also noticed when I re-listened that I too often put Lawrence and Alessi in the same sentence. I don't believe the Lawrence stuff is as libelous as Tony's "bad" reputation. Usually because five times out of ten he publicly takes pride in his image.

What specifically within the Mathes article was libelous?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Well spoken? I've always assumed it was a parody, like one of those "bad writing" contests where writers spoof an author.

txmxer wrote:

I'd of sent you a PM, but you want your privacy and replying to that gives away your email address. Thanks for the reply...but, you are...

I'd of sent you a PM, but you want your privacy and replying to that gives away your email address. Thanks for the reply...but, you are back pedaling. The implication is that both stories are libelous, but one is more so.

Now you say it's not. I'm confused.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Well spoken? I've always assumed it was a parody, like one of those "bad writing" contests where writers spoof an author.

Grendel wrote:

You've always been a tad overrated yourself, Michael. Both in typed words and photography.

drmarkr wrote:

You're not too bright now, are you son?

txmxer wrote:

I'd of sent you a PM, but you want your privacy and replying to that gives away your email address. Thanks for the reply...but, you are...

I'd of sent you a PM, but you want your privacy and replying to that gives away your email address. Thanks for the reply...but, you are back pedaling. The implication is that both stories are libelous, but one is more so.

Now you say it's not. I'm confused.

Grendel wrote:

I apologize, I missed your private message and a few others. Simply put: Lumping together Mike/Tony and Jason Lawrence because they are the constant focus of...

I apologize, I missed your private message and a few others.

Simply put:

Lumping together Mike/Tony and Jason Lawrence because they are the constant focus of so much controversy could lead someone to believe I was citing similarities. I was not. Lawrences's fights, arrests and disqualifications are public knowledge. The accusations against the Alessis are trackside whispers and speculation.

And Matthes's article doesn't cite them, so it isn't libelous.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Well spoken? I've always assumed it was a parody, like one of those "bad writing" contests where writers spoof an author.

Grendel wrote:

You've always been a tad overrated yourself, Michael. Both in typed words and photography.

Shimokitazawa wrote:

what's the difference between libel and slander....my Google is broken.

BobbyM wrote:

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested...

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested you sleep in the basement and weren't allowed outside to play with the others? hmmm....helluva point of view i must say.

libel means to lie...not to say something somebody doesn't like about them. people aren't just making shit up about how the alessis operate and in there defense using unorthodox methods can work favorably but they certainly don't warrant courtroom vernacular spooged on a mx message board for fucks sakes hero.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Well spoken? I've always assumed it was a parody, like one of those "bad writing" contests where writers spoof an author.

Grendel wrote:

You've always been a tad overrated yourself, Michael. Both in typed words and photography.

ChrisB wrote:

He's contributed to the site, I've never seen you though...

Fuck off Grendel, or nerd, or whoever,,,, FUCK OFF

BobbyM wrote:

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested...

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested you sleep in the basement and weren't allowed outside to play with the others? hmmm....helluva point of view i must say.

libel means to lie...not to say something somebody doesn't like about them. people aren't just making shit up about how the alessis operate and in there defense using unorthodox methods can work favorably but they certainly don't warrant courtroom vernacular spooged on a mx message board for fucks sakes hero.

Grendel wrote:

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies. But you're more than welcome...

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies.

But you're more than welcome to enlighten me with some horror stories to the contrary.

BobbyM wrote:

did you see any of tony alessis pit antics or allegations not happen? using yer logic i rest my case...you sure you ain't tfs?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Well spoken? I've always assumed it was a parody, like one of those "bad writing" contests where writers spoof an author.

Grendel wrote:

You've always been a tad overrated yourself, Michael. Both in typed words and photography.

Grendel wrote:

You've always been a tad overrated yourself, Michael. Both in typed words and photography.

ChrisB wrote:

He's contributed to the site, I've never seen you though...

Fuck off Grendel, or nerd, or whoever,,,, FUCK OFF

Nerd wrote:

Yup, I'm Grendel, Sherlock.

BobbyM wrote:

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested...

so if it's not well known and "documented" it didn't happen? I take it you were one of the offspring that mom and pop strongly suggested you sleep in the basement and weren't allowed outside to play with the others? hmmm....helluva point of view i must say.

libel means to lie...not to say something somebody doesn't like about them. people aren't just making shit up about how the alessis operate and in there defense using unorthodox methods can work favorably but they certainly don't warrant courtroom vernacular spooged on a mx message board for fucks sakes hero.

Grendel wrote:

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies. But you're more than welcome...

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies.

But you're more than welcome to enlighten me with some horror stories to the contrary.

BobbyM wrote:

did you see any of tony alessis pit antics or allegations not happen? using yer logic i rest my case...you sure you ain't tfs?

Grendel wrote:

Did you? Please share with the rest of the class or else continue to be saddled with that title of conspiracy theorist. I actually hope your...

Did you?

Please share with the rest of the class or else continue to be saddled with that title of conspiracy theorist. I actually hope your recent heel turn on Tony was spurred on by some event for your sake. Because otherwise it just seems bizarre for you sit idly by for years supporting a program you suddenly find reprehensible.

You can continue to paint me out to be something just short of a Holocaust denier for defending Tony Alessi, but until I get anything more than "he's really a jerk you just don't know it", I'll have a saltshaker handy.

Grendel wrote:

Mike Alessi released a statement on this very board saying how he enjoyed having his family be a part of his program. And last I heard...

Mike Alessi released a statement on this very board saying how he enjoyed having his family be a part of his program. And last I heard he had his own house.

Having your dad along is nothing new. Stewart and Carmichael seemed to handle it pretty smoothly but since their records are a little more stacked than Mike's, Big James and Papa Carmichael were spared torches and pitchforks.

Grendel wrote:

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies. But you're more than welcome...

I disagree and believe that not only is it a lot of exaggeration, but a large percentage of it is lies.

But you're more than welcome to enlighten me with some horror stories to the contrary.