No more 250 SX Point out rule??

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JMX82 10/21/2022 12:10am
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DonM wrote:
It's actually a good rule change...what was BS was the "injuries" riders would suffer and miss races and not point out...now the fans in later rounds...
It's actually a good rule change...what was BS was the "injuries" riders would suffer and miss races and not point out...now the fans in later rounds will see a more competitive 250 class...
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i agree with PhilG it is a BS rule change. You say a more competitive class will result but the class is already ultra-competitive. The rule...
i agree with PhilG it is a BS rule change. You say a more competitive class will result but the class is already ultra-competitive. The rule change will only encourage more Davalos types and more 28 year old SX champions.

MX2 age limit of 23 is a good rule but even if it was 25 in the states, it would be better than what we have now especially with this bogus rule change.
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an age limit on a professional sports is stupid. we dont limit age for football, baseball, etc. removing the point out rule is good. leaving the...

an age limit on a professional sports is stupid. we dont limit age for football, baseball, etc.

removing the point out rule is good. leaving the option open for guys to have careers at different levels is common place and the right move.

If anything the 'futures/combine' races should be turned into an EMX esque series that follows amatuer a/sportsman class rules





+1 for this. With the age and point out rule we wouldn't have had 125 class heroes like Lamson, Brown, Chiodi, Moore, Tragter etc. back in the day and nobody complained about lacking talent in bigger classes then.
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Leave Us To 10/21/2022 4:36am
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I always get a kick out of those worried about “jobs” when it’s a professional sport. At some point a line is drawn for those that...
I always get a kick out of those worried about “jobs” when it’s a professional sport. At some point a line is drawn for those that can make a living at it and those who can’t. The guy in 15th in one region or the other really doesn’t have a “job” doing this anyway.
There are more jobs involved than just the rider's.

Why make this change now? Weren't there enough veterans in the 250 class already? Give Forkner an exception for one year but keep the point out rule.

JMX82 Do you have any examples of complaints about the lack of talent concerns in either class that you mentioned? That's a new on me.
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There are more jobs involved than just the rider's. Why make this change now? Weren't there enough veterans in the 250 class already? Give Forkner an...
There are more jobs involved than just the rider's.

Why make this change now? Weren't there enough veterans in the 250 class already? Give Forkner an exception for one year but keep the point out rule.

JMX82 Do you have any examples of complaints about the lack of talent concerns in either class that you mentioned? That's a new on me.
There are riders that are talented small bore rider's who can't translate their talent's to bigger bikes and are forced prematurely end their careers because of that. In the US there is definitely enough talent in both classes at the moment but in my opinion it doesn't hurt the sport having talented 250 riders to stay in the 250 class. The cream of the crop will always rise to 450 class no matter what with the bigger salaries in that class.

In europe the MX2 class age rule in MXGP has forced many riders to quit their careers in very young age. You only have few years time to make yourself a name in EMX classes so that you can get a place in decent MX2 team and you can stay only few years in MX2 and then you are kicked out of the class again. If you are late bloomer or suffer injuries it's impossible to make it no matter how fast you are because rider positions in MX1 are very limited so you have no choice but to quit your career in your early 20's
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johnk408 10/21/2022 5:55am
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So would Nichols or Cooper get to race 250's next year if they wanted? I know Nichols now at 450 HRC but isn't Cooper sitting out SX and doing 250 outdoors? Or not because they won the championship? Still need some kind of injury clause in my opinion.

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Leave Us To 10/21/2022 6:03am
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There are riders that are talented small bore rider's who can't translate their talent's to bigger bikes and are forced prematurely end their careers because of...
There are riders that are talented small bore rider's who can't translate their talent's to bigger bikes and are forced prematurely end their careers because of that. In the US there is definitely enough talent in both classes at the moment but in my opinion it doesn't hurt the sport having talented 250 riders to stay in the 250 class. The cream of the crop will always rise to 450 class no matter what with the bigger salaries in that class.

In europe the MX2 class age rule in MXGP has forced many riders to quit their careers in very young age. You only have few years time to make yourself a name in EMX classes so that you can get a place in decent MX2 team and you can stay only few years in MX2 and then you are kicked out of the class again. If you are late bloomer or suffer injuries it's impossible to make it no matter how fast you are because rider positions in MX1 are very limited so you have no choice but to quit your career in your early 20's
Thank you. Glad we both agree there is no shortage of talent in both classes today.

Your comment on the MX2 age rule, has me questioning now if some riders quitting their careers earlier is actually a bad thing? I love this sport but there is more to life than racing motorcycles. If you don't have the skills or connections to move on, could it actually be a good thing to seek employment that will carry you into your golden years earlier rather than later? I am not sure it is or not just putting it out there for discussion,

BTW love Vital MX for connecting fans on both sides of the big pond! What's the weather like in Finland now? Heikki Mikkola is a LEGEND. Smoking cigarettes before the motos! The 70s man.....the 70s....What an era and takes some of the sting out of being old now since I got to experience MX coming to the states.

You had to be there to appreciate it and I am glad I was there. Have a good weekend!
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LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 6:22am
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So would Nichols or Cooper get to race 250's next year if they wanted? I know Nichols now at 450 HRC but isn't Cooper sitting out...
So would Nichols or Cooper get to race 250's next year if they wanted? I know Nichols now at 450 HRC but isn't Cooper sitting out SX and doing 250 outdoors? Or not because they won the championship? Still need some kind of injury clause in my opinion.
No that part of the rule would still be in place.

I like removing the point out system. If you win a title, one year to defend then forced to 450. Everyone else can race whatever class they would like. I think this makes the most sense.
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Frank Tuesday 10/21/2022 6:44am
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I’m fine with the change as long as the 250 sx class is not regional. Race the full series. Like the outdoors. Full length 20min mains...
I’m fine with the change as long as the 250 sx class is not regional. Race the full series. Like the outdoors. Full length 20min mains. Half the pay of course. Then its a pro class not a feeder class.
Pro and feeder are not mutually exclusive. Every racing series has professional feeder classes. F1 has F2, MotoGP has Moto2, NASCAR has one, Indycar has one.

You can tell 250 is (and always will be) a feeder class because if you ask the riders riders, none will say their ultimate dream is to have a long 250 career. Everyone wants to be 450 champ. Because 450 is the only premier class, and 250s are the path most take to try to get there.
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JMX82 10/21/2022 6:50am
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Thank you. Glad we both agree there is no shortage of talent in both classes today. Your comment on the MX2 age rule, has me questioning...
Thank you. Glad we both agree there is no shortage of talent in both classes today.

Your comment on the MX2 age rule, has me questioning now if some riders quitting their careers earlier is actually a bad thing? I love this sport but there is more to life than racing motorcycles. If you don't have the skills or connections to move on, could it actually be a good thing to seek employment that will carry you into your golden years earlier rather than later? I am not sure it is or not just putting it out there for discussion,

BTW love Vital MX for connecting fans on both sides of the big pond! What's the weather like in Finland now? Heikki Mikkola is a LEGEND. Smoking cigarettes before the motos! The 70s man.....the 70s....What an era and takes some of the sting out of being old now since I got to experience MX coming to the states.

You had to be there to appreciate it and I am glad I was there. Have a good weekend!
The weather is getting colder and wetter here in Finland but there's still plenty of sand tracks open where you can ride before the winter finally sets in.

What's the point of having 250 championship if the best 250 riders aren't in it because they are pointed out of the class for whatever bullshit rule reasons?

What comes to ending talented careers too young is a huge waste in my opinion. All the parents spent money and time will be wasted for nothing if you have bad luck and pick up an injury at the bad time.

You can already see the rider field is depleted in the GP series. There are plenty of fast riders in Europe that aren't in it for various reasons. From fans point view is not favourable to have all the best riders to compete in same series? Is the series true championship anymore if the fastest riders are not in it?
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Simple. Racers shouldn't be in the 250 class their entire career in SX where teenagers come into the class against veterans with a decade or more...
Simple. Racers shouldn't be in the 250 class their entire career in SX where teenagers come into the class against veterans with a decade or more of experience. Also please give an example of who has purchased a ride in MXGP..
Having veterans in 250 is beneficial for judging younger riders. The veterans are a known quantity, and provide a benchmark so teams can tell how good a rider really is. When youngsters come in and dominate riders with much more experience, you know more about them than if they only beat other inexperienced riders.

Some riders are good enough to be a worthy factory 250 benchmark, but not quite a factory 450 guy. There is value in keeping them around.

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johnk408 10/21/2022 6:57am
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
No that part of the rule would still be in place. I like removing the point out system. If you win a title, one year to...
No that part of the rule would still be in place.

I like removing the point out system. If you win a title, one year to defend then forced to 450. Everyone else can race whatever class they would like. I think this makes the most sense.
I agree, but neither got to defend. Also, it hasn't happened in a while, but if some 16 year old kid came in and won in his first two years he would have to go to 450s at age 18. I know RC said he always regretted not staying another year on the small bike. But the trend also doesn't seem like kids turn pro until they are like 18-20.
LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 7:11am
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No that part of the rule would still be in place. I like removing the point out system. If you win a title, one year to...
No that part of the rule would still be in place.

I like removing the point out system. If you win a title, one year to defend then forced to 450. Everyone else can race whatever class they would like. I think this makes the most sense.
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I agree, but neither got to defend. Also, it hasn't happened in a while, but if some 16 year old kid came in and won in...
I agree, but neither got to defend. Also, it hasn't happened in a while, but if some 16 year old kid came in and won in his first two years he would have to go to 450s at age 18. I know RC said he always regretted not staying another year on the small bike. But the trend also doesn't seem like kids turn pro until they are like 18-20.
I believe you have a certain amount of time in 250 class to prevent that. Someone correct me if im wrong, but
It might be three years. The only thing they are talking about removing is the point out.
HonDawg17 10/21/2022 7:54am
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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
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LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 7:56am
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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
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They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
You want the riders to do twice the work for the same money? That’s not reality.
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stremme12 10/21/2022 8:03am
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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
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They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You want the riders to do twice the work for the same money? That’s not reality.
It wouldn't be twice the work.
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Sheriff245 10/21/2022 8:31am
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National level racing should be full national level racing with full seasons, and no pushing riders out when they’re successful. Let AX and the amateur national...
National level racing should be full national level racing with full seasons, and no pushing riders out when they’re successful. Let AX and the amateur national series be the feeders. So now we just need two more changes, ditch the regional split BS and drop the 2x champ gets the boot rule.

Let’s see.. it took how long for the first rule change? 20+ years? I truly don’t remember.. so another 40 years and we’re gonna have a real 250SX championship!!
What’s your plan for riders who make a career out of AX?
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RaceFace58 10/21/2022 9:00am
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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
HonDawg17 wrote:
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You want the riders to do twice the work for the same money? That’s not reality.
Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work days are during the week. Next you’re going to say they should all get the same pay! Why dues so and so get $300k for 8 races and the other guy only gets $75k? So unfair!
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What’s funny is look at all the different ideas and thoughts here. Now imagine it’s an AMA rules meeting. You wonder why it’s so hard to make good rules? Look around. These are all moto guys with lots of whacky thought.
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Falcon 10/21/2022 9:18am
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Wait, we're talking about the PROFESSIONAL 250 Supercross races, right?

Let the 22 fastest qualifiers race the main event. I don't give one dead rat's ass how old any of the riders are, nor how many years they have been in the sport. Fastest = best racers. Fastest. Fastest. Most fast. Ones who beat all the other guys. Fastest.



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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
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They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
I disagree.

Eliminating the two regions in favor of one series for the 250 class would result in jobs being lost.

Teams would have to scale down their efforts because 250 riders would want to get paid more. Those guys won't race more races for the same amount of money they are getting now. Running 6 riders would cost a hell of a lot more money for salaries, bonuses, bikes, parts, travel accommodation, etc.

Budgets would need to increase significantly in order for that to happen and people don't just hand out money.

Some of the smaller teams only run 1 region with 2 riders for those specific reasons. They wouldn't be able to do an additional 8-9 races. Some teams only do 1 region and skip outdoors.

"And then the same teams run the full roster for MX..."

Outdoors has 40 gates to fill while Supercross has 22 gates to fill. Splitting the class in regions allows the factory teams to hire more riders. Combine 250 SX into a single series and teams will scale down.

If it's that easy, why aren't the 450 teams running 4+ riders?
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LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 9:25am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You want the riders to do twice the work for the same money? That’s not reality.
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Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work...
Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work days are during the week. Next you’re going to say they should all get the same pay! Why dues so and so get $300k for 8 races and the other guy only gets $75k? So unfair!
So 8 more races for same pay? Gotcha.
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philG 10/21/2022 9:25am
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I guess i will just have to take my enjoyment out of watching guys managing not to win half a championship AGAIN.

With this rule, they may as well fuck off all the AM programs, because there wont be any seats for them to fill.

Maybe that's the plan. Just pay JMart and Forkner to ride a 250 till they are 35.

And they will end up racing each other next year , as they wont want to have to deal with Vialle.


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The teams go to all the races already. They have 6 guys already who aren’t getting paid half salaries since most are signed to do outdoors too. some of the 250 guys do 450 races on the other coast. Once again in a professional sport we are worried about who won’t be able to “work” racing MX bikes? Since it’s so expensive I guess we need to stop and think about splitting up the 450 series too? Create even more jobs! Maybe do half seasons on 2 coasts? This way if a guy gets hurt he can still win the 2nd half. When should we start being concerned that no females are able to work as a 250 SX rider?
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RaceFace58 10/21/2022 9:33am
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You want the riders to do twice the work for the same money? That’s not reality.
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Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work...
Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work days are during the week. Next you’re going to say they should all get the same pay! Why dues so and so get $300k for 8 races and the other guy only gets $75k? So unfair!
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So 8 more races for same pay? Gotcha.
First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too? I mean they raced the same number of races…….right?
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LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 9:49am
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Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work...
Lol. They are practicing everyday if racing 8 events or racing 17. RC always said the race days were the easy days anyway. The grind work days are during the week. Next you’re going to say they should all get the same pay! Why dues so and so get $300k for 8 races and the other guy only gets $75k? So unfair!
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So 8 more races for same pay? Gotcha.
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First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too...
First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too? I mean they raced the same number of races…….right?
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
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stremme12 10/21/2022 10:14am
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So 8 more races for same pay? Gotcha.
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First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too...
First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too? I mean they raced the same number of races…….right?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the...
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are still working the entire time training and riding.

Just to play devils advocate some more. Do teams not pay the riders a salary when they miss time due to injury? It's similar to the logic you're saying. A rider is hurt for 5 rounds why would a team continue to pay them a salary during that time?
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LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 10:23am
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First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too...
First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too? I mean they raced the same number of races…….right?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the...
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
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Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are...
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are still working the entire time training and riding.

Just to play devils advocate some more. Do teams not pay the riders a salary when they miss time due to injury? It's similar to the logic you're saying. A rider is hurt for 5 rounds why would a team continue to pay them a salary during that time?
Depends on the contract. Most contracts do not pay when a rider is hurt and at minimum reduce pay. I see your counter points I just don’t think they are valid. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends out the year. Do the guys train on off weeks? Of course, but they don’t have to fly, they don’t have to race or ride on the weekend. It really baffles me y’all don’t understand this.
LouisianaMotocross 10/21/2022 10:25am
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First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too...
First of all, who says they can’t negotiate more money? Do you worry that Jett Lawrence’s contract is probably 5-10 times bigger than Carson Brown’s too? I mean they raced the same number of races…….right?
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Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the...
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
stremme12 wrote:
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are...
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are still working the entire time training and riding.

Just to play devils advocate some more. Do teams not pay the riders a salary when they miss time due to injury? It's similar to the logic you're saying. A rider is hurt for 5 rounds why would a team continue to pay them a salary during that time?
For example, colt45 hasn’t been paid since may. So you want guys to race and take the risk when if they get hurt they won’t get paid and best case have salary reduced. Only the top few riders actually can negotiate an injury clause to be removed.
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stremme12 10/21/2022 10:28am
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the...
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
stremme12 wrote:
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are...
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are still working the entire time training and riding.

Just to play devils advocate some more. Do teams not pay the riders a salary when they miss time due to injury? It's similar to the logic you're saying. A rider is hurt for 5 rounds why would a team continue to pay them a salary during that time?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Depends on the contract. Most contracts do not pay when a rider is hurt and at minimum reduce pay. I see your counter points I just...
Depends on the contract. Most contracts do not pay when a rider is hurt and at minimum reduce pay. I see your counter points I just don’t think they are valid. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends out the year. Do the guys train on off weeks? Of course, but they don’t have to fly, they don’t have to race or ride on the weekend. It really baffles me y’all don’t understand this.
No I get it I just don't see how it is twice as much work. The work is put in during the week for the most part. Is it more work? Yes but not twice as much work.
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stremme12 10/21/2022 10:31am
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the...
Why do you bring up differences in pay? That’s irrelevant to the conversation. You are asking guys to travel 9 more weekends a year for the same pay. That’s the point I’m making. Why don’t you work 9 additional weekends for the same pay? It’s different if you know about it going into a contract and if they change it during a contract.
stremme12 wrote:
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are...
Earlier you mentioned it's twice the amount of work. It's not like when they flip coasts these guys are taking the entire week off. They are still working the entire time training and riding.

Just to play devils advocate some more. Do teams not pay the riders a salary when they miss time due to injury? It's similar to the logic you're saying. A rider is hurt for 5 rounds why would a team continue to pay them a salary during that time?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
For example, colt45 hasn’t been paid since may. So you want guys to race and take the risk when if they get hurt they won’t get...
For example, colt45 hasn’t been paid since may. So you want guys to race and take the risk when if they get hurt they won’t get paid and best case have salary reduced. Only the top few riders actually can negotiate an injury clause to be removed.
Colt hasn't put in a single result since July of 2021.
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Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series...
Go non regional and lots of people will lose their job. Many 250F race team efforts don't have the budget to contest a 17 round series so there goes smaller teams out the window,
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They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts...
They won't lose any jobs. These teams already run 2 coasts for SX. So making all their riders race isn't doing anything other than bike parts costs. They already get a yearly salary, they're getting paid when they aren't racing. And then the same teams run the full roster for MX... So again, NO ONE will lose any jobs.
You're assuming that the teams will keep the same amount of riders and support staff if it was just one series....you seriously think Star or PC will keep 5 and 6 riders if there weren't separate coasts...just bike parts costs? I guess all those people travel for free...
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