Will Roczen race WSX?

lostboy819 9/14/2022 5:53pm
9/14/2022 5:53pm
CPan wrote:
Redbull just announced Roczen will race straight rhythm, which is right in the middle of the WSX schedule.
I hope he doesn't fade at the straight rhythm. Blush Evil
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CPan wrote:
Redbull just announced Roczen will race straight rhythm, which is right in the middle of the WSX schedule.
I guess that means we’ll see him on Red again next year by the sounds of it. Wasn’t the rumor ML posted that HRC wouldn’t let him do the WSX races if he re-signed with them?
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CPan wrote:
Redbull just announced Roczen will race straight rhythm, which is right in the middle of the WSX schedule.
You mean between the two races…..
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that sounds weird to travel for
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WSR yep SX maybe not
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KONG 9/16/2022 12:38am
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It's good to see WSX able to help another semi-retired privateer.
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KONG 9/21/2022 10:45am
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Unbelievable news.
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DonM 9/21/2022 10:57am
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KONG wrote:
Unbelievable news.
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Shocking news! How did this not get leaked....
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KONG wrote:
Hooo, sorry I ruffled some feathers, lol...
If you can't see Roczen's been done for a while, you're either Ray Charles, Ken or Courtney.

No, no, you’re the best
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No one thinks you have mental hang ups about Ken. Really
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the interesting part of all this midia drama roczen/honda is .........first of all, Honda Motors is a japanese brand, number one motorcycle brand in the world, and Honda Racing Corporation is its racing department and is also based in japan.....but if you follow this subject here you will get the idea that honda is defending their partners and going against a "enemy" series, as Ken Roczen, a HRC contracted racer is out of work and canot race anymore...... maybe USA is another world, or another dimention, maybe there is no more hondas outside USA, and no more races.....
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caviar&cigarettes338 9/21/2022 12:14pm
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Roczen raced for Honda USA not Honda Europe or Honda Japan . He was contracted to race the USA series not European races or Japan races . Honda USA has a budget for the year set out to race the USA series they didn’t budget for bikes and mechanics to go race in Europe or where ever the wsx will be
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Roczen raced for Honda USA not Honda Europe or Honda Japan . He was contracted to race the USA series not European races or Japan races...
Roczen raced for Honda USA not Honda Europe or Honda Japan . He was contracted to race the USA series not European races or Japan races . Honda USA has a budget for the year set out to race the USA series they didn’t budget for bikes and mechanics to go race in Europe or where ever the wsx will be
So I guess the Lawrence brothers aren’t racing Paris SX then?
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Stick to dirt bikes is the conclusion I’m landing on, in all of this
H.E.penyypacker432 9/21/2022 7:20pm
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CPR wrote:
So I guess the Lawrence brothers aren’t racing Paris SX then?
Paris sx also isn't actively trying to take down a series all OEM's are invested in.
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Roczen raced for Honda USA not Honda Europe or Honda Japan . He was contracted to race the USA series not European races or Japan races...
Roczen raced for Honda USA not Honda Europe or Honda Japan . He was contracted to race the USA series not European races or Japan races . Honda USA has a budget for the year set out to race the USA series they didn’t budget for bikes and mechanics to go race in Europe or where ever the wsx will be
CPR wrote:
So I guess the Lawrence brothers aren’t racing Paris SX then?
You have to come up with a better argument than that. Of wsx was an off-season race and not a series Honda wouldn’t of made it as big of a deal.
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CPR 9/22/2022 12:09am
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CPR wrote:
So I guess the Lawrence brothers aren’t racing Paris SX then?
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Paris sx also isn't actively trying to take down a series all OEM's are invested in.
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious reasons.
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CPR wrote:
So I guess the Lawrence brothers aren’t racing Paris SX then?
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Paris sx also isn't actively trying to take down a series all OEM's are invested in.
CPR wrote:
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious...
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious reasons.
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with a promoter that has worked hard to elevate the sport here in the USA. Of course the teams are willing to send riders there, like they have since the 80s.

Did Eric Perronard ever come out and say he's trying to recruit teams to do his races in lieu of one of the US series?

I honestly believe that you understand what is going on and why WSX does not have top teams from around the world, even though their model is "team-centric, designed to give the franchises the best opportunities that supercross has ever offered"
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CPR 9/22/2022 3:37pm
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H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Paris sx also isn't actively trying to take down a series all OEM's are invested in.
CPR wrote:
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious...
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious reasons.
USA wrote:
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with...
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with a promoter that has worked hard to elevate the sport here in the USA. Of course the teams are willing to send riders there, like they have since the 80s.

Did Eric Perronard ever come out and say he's trying to recruit teams to do his races in lieu of one of the US series?

I honestly believe that you understand what is going on and why WSX does not have top teams from around the world, even though their model is "team-centric, designed to give the franchises the best opportunities that supercross has ever offered"
You’re completely taking what I said out of context.
The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly they can and do when it suits them.
This was not a WSX vs US statement, why try so hard to bend it in to one???
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CPR wrote:
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious...
That’s not the issue I was replying to. Caviar said USA Honda didn’t budget for European races, when clearly they did, just not WSX for obvious reasons.
USA wrote:
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with...
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with a promoter that has worked hard to elevate the sport here in the USA. Of course the teams are willing to send riders there, like they have since the 80s.

Did Eric Perronard ever come out and say he's trying to recruit teams to do his races in lieu of one of the US series?

I honestly believe that you understand what is going on and why WSX does not have top teams from around the world, even though their model is "team-centric, designed to give the franchises the best opportunities that supercross has ever offered"
CPR wrote:
You’re completely taking what I said out of context. The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly...
You’re completely taking what I said out of context.
The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly they can and do when it suits them.
This was not a WSX vs US statement, why try so hard to bend it in to one???
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to work with worldwide promoters when those promoters forward a common goal?

I think this will be my last reply to you, it has not been particularly stimulating or educational engaging with you.
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USA wrote:
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with...
Whats your point? You just want to reiterate that you don't understand what's going on here? Paris SX has a nearly 40 year storied history, with a promoter that has worked hard to elevate the sport here in the USA. Of course the teams are willing to send riders there, like they have since the 80s.

Did Eric Perronard ever come out and say he's trying to recruit teams to do his races in lieu of one of the US series?

I honestly believe that you understand what is going on and why WSX does not have top teams from around the world, even though their model is "team-centric, designed to give the franchises the best opportunities that supercross has ever offered"
CPR wrote:
You’re completely taking what I said out of context. The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly...
You’re completely taking what I said out of context.
The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly they can and do when it suits them.
This was not a WSX vs US statement, why try so hard to bend it in to one???
USA wrote:
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to...
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to work with worldwide promoters when those promoters forward a common goal?

I think this will be my last reply to you, it has not been particularly stimulating or educational engaging with you.
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CPR wrote:
You’re completely taking what I said out of context. The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly...
You’re completely taking what I said out of context.
The comment was about Honda USA not budgeting for its riders to race in Europe, when clearly they can and do when it suits them.
This was not a WSX vs US statement, why try so hard to bend it in to one???
USA wrote:
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to...
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to work with worldwide promoters when those promoters forward a common goal?

I think this will be my last reply to you, it has not been particularly stimulating or educational engaging with you.
CPR wrote:
Wow
There is a massive difference between sending a mechanic or two with suspension and a pipe and ECU to Paris vs three guys with factory bikes to Australia and then to Europe for a second trip.....and not being able to run your graphics with different sponsors on the Team etc. It is not the same as Paris. WSX is an entirely different business model and the factories are not involved. It may work, but will be a sideshow to the real series.

This isn't just Roczen. The WSX wanted the Lawrence bros too. To me, the real issue here is Roczen said yes to WSX before checking with the Team that actually paid him. It's the same as you buying tickets and booking hotels for vacation time before making sure the company you work for approved it.
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CPR 9/23/2022 3:00pm
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USA wrote:
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to...
Oh, sorry that I thwarted your plan to do - what exactly? Try and strengthen your argument about WSX vs. US since teams are willing to work with worldwide promoters when those promoters forward a common goal?

I think this will be my last reply to you, it has not been particularly stimulating or educational engaging with you.
CPR wrote:
Wow
8tensolutions wrote:
There is a massive difference between sending a mechanic or two with suspension and a pipe and ECU to Paris vs three guys with factory bikes...
There is a massive difference between sending a mechanic or two with suspension and a pipe and ECU to Paris vs three guys with factory bikes to Australia and then to Europe for a second trip.....and not being able to run your graphics with different sponsors on the Team etc. It is not the same as Paris. WSX is an entirely different business model and the factories are not involved. It may work, but will be a sideshow to the real series.

This isn't just Roczen. The WSX wanted the Lawrence bros too. To me, the real issue here is Roczen said yes to WSX before checking with the Team that actually paid him. It's the same as you buying tickets and booking hotels for vacation time before making sure the company you work for approved it.
What’s with you guys?!
For the third fucking time, that is not what I was talking about; read my words. Is comprehension not a thing anymore???
Hilarious how some of you are so caught up with all this WSX vs USA bullshit.
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CPR wrote:
Wow
8tensolutions wrote:
There is a massive difference between sending a mechanic or two with suspension and a pipe and ECU to Paris vs three guys with factory bikes...
There is a massive difference between sending a mechanic or two with suspension and a pipe and ECU to Paris vs three guys with factory bikes to Australia and then to Europe for a second trip.....and not being able to run your graphics with different sponsors on the Team etc. It is not the same as Paris. WSX is an entirely different business model and the factories are not involved. It may work, but will be a sideshow to the real series.

This isn't just Roczen. The WSX wanted the Lawrence bros too. To me, the real issue here is Roczen said yes to WSX before checking with the Team that actually paid him. It's the same as you buying tickets and booking hotels for vacation time before making sure the company you work for approved it.
CPR wrote:
What’s with you guys?! For the third fucking time, that is not what I was talking about; read my words. Is comprehension not a thing anymore...
What’s with you guys?!
For the third fucking time, that is not what I was talking about; read my words. Is comprehension not a thing anymore???
Hilarious how some of you are so caught up with all this WSX vs USA bullshit.
Well, you sure sound like you are close from the WSX crew Laughing . I happen to be on charge of Paris SX since Day 1. Between 1994 and 1997, since we had most top US riders competing in our event, the FIM asked us to handle an SX championship that would be credible (before that, they had the "Rodill Cup", which was a joke). We accepted but told them that there was no way we were gonna pretend to compete with the US in any way. We federated Paris, Barcelona, Geneva and Tokyo (which was attended by the top riders as part of their factory contracts). I guess Mc Grath, Emig and Huffman won the 3 years we did it. There was no $1M fee paid to the FIM (it was about 5k per event Laughing ). We didn't even advertise or create a specific logo for WSX. We stopped the 4th year because the FIM wanted more money and we didn't really need that label. So as you can see, it was a totally different model than what SX Global is doing. We sure didn't claim it was gonna be "a new era" for SX and stayed in the November/December time frame (AMA SX was beginning later in January by that time). I explained all this to Adam Bailey a year ago. At this point, Paris has a very different approach that WSX indeed and we are able to attract big names like ET3, Cooper Webb, the Lawrence's, Marvin etc. They'll have their works equipment and the teams cooperate 1) because we've been doing it for many years 2) because we try our best to not disturb their program 3) because the brand importers in France support it 4) because the riders enjoy to come race Paris and 5) because we make sure there is media feed back in the US. That whole package is what one may call "legacy". We built it steadily and carefully, along our 39 editions, that's not something you can create overnight.
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