So, where does Eli fit in the top 10 great AMA riders of all time?

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TalinH112 wrote:
#4 all time, with 4,7 and 2 ahead of him. Ryan Villopoto is ahead because had he been healthy he would have at least 4 outdoor...
#4 all time, with 4,7 and 2 ahead of him. Ryan Villopoto is ahead because had he been healthy he would have at least 4 outdoor titles to match Supercross. But Eli’s longevity is one his strongest traits and the fact that he was there to battle is important, but that also means he was beaten straight up a couple times. His competition was all time as well though, mostly battling the Diesel his entire career and one of the most naturally talented riders ever in Roczen.
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RV had a lot of injuries but Eli was looking next-level when he wrecked his shoulders in Colorado. And didn't he barely lose a SX title...

RV had a lot of injuries but Eli was looking next-level when he wrecked his shoulders in Colorado. And didn't he barely lose a SX title to RD even after some mishaps? Was that the years his pants came undone?
Man what might have been that year if Eli hadn’t wadded himself, that was speed like I don’t think I’ve ever seen. It was incredible and yes he did lose to Dungey due to a wardrobe malfunction 😂
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Chris99Flannery 9/6/2022 3:54pm
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3rd overall.
If he wins SX next year 2nd on Rushmore.
He’s tied for 2nd overall wins in outdoors with Dunge.
Won on 3 brands!
Can go to second overall in SX next year but probably 3rd all time Sx wins.
Across both categories he’s on the podium of All-time.
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Park Boys wrote:
1. RC 2. RV 3. RJ 4. MC 5. Hannah 6. Stew 7. RD 8. Tomac 9. Ward 10. Stanton 1 is obvious, 2-5 you could...
1. RC
2. RV
3. RJ
4. MC
5. Hannah
6. Stew
7. RD
8. Tomac
9. Ward
10. Stanton

1 is obvious, 2-5 you could make arguments for each guy being 2nd and IMO could move around easily.
Can’t put Stew lower than 6th I just can’t you could make a case for Eli above RD but Dungey’s bad days where 4th. Eli’s are 11th. Too many bad days to put Eli above RD.

Another thing is Wins get brought up to much and not Win percentages. Modern guys have more races for the most part. For Example Hannah won 27 SX races in his career. But if you plug his win percentage from 77 to 79 in todays 17 race season he would have won 27 in those years alone.
One more season of peak Tomac, which we will fortunately likely experience, probably places him atop moto Mt Rushmore. Man, I have enjoyed watching him ride.
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Hudd_421 wrote:
Lol 10-15? GTFO. Hurlings is regarded as the fastest outdoor rider ever in MXGP and I think he would say Eli is on-close to his level.

Phillip_Lamb wrote:
dan marino was one of the best quarterbacks. any QB with a title no matter how crappy is intantly rated above him. being fast is great...
dan marino was one of the best quarterbacks. any QB with a title no matter how crappy is intantly rated above him.

being fast is great but doenst matter when you dont win
No, you think people rank Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson over Marino?
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Park Boys wrote:
1. RC 2. RV 3. RJ 4. MC 5. Hannah 6. Stew 7. RD 8. Tomac 9. Ward 10. Stanton 1 is obvious, 2-5 you could...
1. RC
2. RV
3. RJ
4. MC
5. Hannah
6. Stew
7. RD
8. Tomac
9. Ward
10. Stanton

1 is obvious, 2-5 you could make arguments for each guy being 2nd and IMO could move around easily.
Can’t put Stew lower than 6th I just can’t you could make a case for Eli above RD but Dungey’s bad days where 4th. Eli’s are 11th. Too many bad days to put Eli above RD.

Another thing is Wins get brought up to much and not Win percentages. Modern guys have more races for the most part. For Example Hannah won 27 SX races in his career. But if you plug his win percentage from 77 to 79 in todays 17 race season he would have won 27 in those years alone.
Dirty Points wrote:
One more season of peak Tomac, which we will fortunately likely experience, probably places him atop moto Mt Rushmore. Man, I have enjoyed watching him ride.
On top? How?
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Mowt talented or most titles/wins. Most talented is js. Most titles/wins is rc
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Park Boys wrote:
1. RC 2. RV 3. RJ 4. MC 5. Hannah 6. Stew 7. RD 8. Tomac 9. Ward 10. Stanton 1 is obvious, 2-5 you could...
1. RC
2. RV
3. RJ
4. MC
5. Hannah
6. Stew
7. RD
8. Tomac
9. Ward
10. Stanton

1 is obvious, 2-5 you could make arguments for each guy being 2nd and IMO could move around easily.
Can’t put Stew lower than 6th I just can’t you could make a case for Eli above RD but Dungey’s bad days where 4th. Eli’s are 11th. Too many bad days to put Eli above RD.

Another thing is Wins get brought up to much and not Win percentages. Modern guys have more races for the most part. For Example Hannah won 27 SX races in his career. But if you plug his win percentage from 77 to 79 in todays 17 race season he would have won 27 in those years alone.
Dirty Points wrote:
One more season of peak Tomac, which we will fortunately likely experience, probably places him atop moto Mt Rushmore. Man, I have enjoyed watching him ride.
thewrizzle wrote:
On top? How?
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the specifics.
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Dirty Points wrote:
One more season of peak Tomac, which we will fortunately likely experience, probably places him atop moto Mt Rushmore. Man, I have enjoyed watching him ride.
thewrizzle wrote:
On top? How?
Dirty Points wrote:
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the...
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the specifics.
Who gets kicked off?
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Press516 wrote:
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly...
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly every 500cc statistic. The guy has 6 freakin' titles and raced against some really bad dudes. He's got to be in the 7-8 range IMHO... And nothing against Reed, but I don't think he belongs on a top 10 all time AMA list.

Stewart won so many races but failed to put the titles together... Obviously just a bunch of opinions, including mine.

1. RC
2. RV
3. McGrath
4. RD
5. Eli
6. James
7. RJ
8. Broc
9. Wardy
10. Hannah

Worth looking at... http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeHome.htm
This is the first list that makes ANY damn sense. All the ones above are brain hemorrhaging to look at.
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thewrizzle wrote:
On top? How?
Dirty Points wrote:
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the...
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the specifics.
thewrizzle wrote:
Who gets kicked off?
If MC is in there he would be my vote to be removed. Greatest Supercross rider of all time no doubt, but didn’t win shit outdoors, COULD HAVE but was so good at supercross he could party all summer in Havasu and still wax the field. That says something about his talent and the fields.
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Dirty Points wrote:
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the...
Sorry "top" may be a pure terminology overstatement. All heads on Rushmore are near the same elevation. But there could be some adjustment, purely on the specifics.
thewrizzle wrote:
Who gets kicked off?
TalinH112 wrote:
If MC is in there he would be my vote to be removed. Greatest Supercross rider of all time no doubt, but didn’t win shit outdoors...
If MC is in there he would be my vote to be removed. Greatest Supercross rider of all time no doubt, but didn’t win shit outdoors, COULD HAVE but was so good at supercross he could party all summer in Havasu and still wax the field. That says something about his talent and the fields.
He does have one outdoor title and take away his foot injury would have had 2. For someone that “didn’t try” he was pretty amazing honestly.

It’s hard to reconcile these lists, really should be era based lists vs all time.
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Carmichael
Hannah
Stewart
Villopoto
Johnson
McGrath
Dungey
Tomac
Glover
Ward
Bailey
Barnett
Stanton
Kiedrowski
Emig
LaRocco

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Press516 wrote:
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly...
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly every 500cc statistic. The guy has 6 freakin' titles and raced against some really bad dudes. He's got to be in the 7-8 range IMHO... And nothing against Reed, but I don't think he belongs on a top 10 all time AMA list.

Stewart won so many races but failed to put the titles together... Obviously just a bunch of opinions, including mine.

1. RC
2. RV
3. McGrath
4. RD
5. Eli
6. James
7. RJ
8. Broc
9. Wardy
10. Hannah

Worth looking at... http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeHome.htm
Excellent list👍
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I think the best way to compare would require looking at win percentage, championships, and looking at competition for each rider.

RC is #1. From there I would have to look at stats. I think looking at stats might change some opinions. Tomac while great, also has higher numbers from racing longer. RD had 1 sx title before Villopoto retired. Stewart was phenomenal on a 125, but on a big bike outdoors he didnt do as well (racing RC I know, but still).
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mx 219 wrote:
I think the best way to compare would require looking at win percentage, championships, and looking at competition for each rider. RC is #1. From there...
I think the best way to compare would require looking at win percentage, championships, and looking at competition for each rider.

RC is #1. From there I would have to look at stats. I think looking at stats might change some opinions. Tomac while great, also has higher numbers from racing longer. RD had 1 sx title before Villopoto retired. Stewart was phenomenal on a 125, but on a big bike outdoors he didnt do as well (racing RC I know, but still).
Competition can be fairly subjective though. Without someone like McGrath dominating the way he did others would probably be elevated. If Windhams career wasn’t with MC/RC where wood he rank?
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scott_nz 9/6/2022 4:52pm
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to me, championships mean more than race wins, he is now top 5
alos doing the double with a SX and MX title in one year as all the other top 5 guys have,

RC with 15
RV with 9
MC and RD with 8
Eli now with 7 with RJ and Wardy,

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scott_nz wrote:
to me, championships mean more than race wins, he is now top 5 alos doing the double with a SX and MX title in one year...
to me, championships mean more than race wins, he is now top 5
alos doing the double with a SX and MX title in one year as all the other top 5 guys have,

RC with 15
RV with 9
MC and RD with 8
Eli now with 7 with RJ and Wardy,

I’m with you . Championships are the ultimate goal .
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scott_nz wrote:
to me, championships mean more than race wins, he is now top 5 alos doing the double with a SX and MX title in one year...
to me, championships mean more than race wins, he is now top 5
alos doing the double with a SX and MX title in one year as all the other top 5 guys have,

RC with 15
RV with 9
MC and RD with 8
Eli now with 7 with RJ and Wardy,

lestat wrote:
I’m with you . Championships are the ultimate goal .
And when the championships are tied, it’s then
Wins that count.
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str8line wrote:
Do we compare competition? I think Eli had tougher competition than MC overall.
Both had stiff competition.

MC
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DV
Windham
RC
Ezra
Stanton
Henry
Ferry
Tortelli
LaRocco
Emig
Hughes
Huffman
Pichon
Keidrowski
Bradshaw
Swink
Lamson


ELI
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Dungey
Roczen
Barcia
Reed
Stew
Canard
Seely
Ferrandis
Sexton
Baggett
Moosecan
Ando
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Park Boys wrote:
1. RC 2. RV 3. RJ 4. MC 5. Hannah 6. Stew 7. RD 8. Tomac 9. Ward 10. Stanton 1 is obvious, 2-5 you could...
1. RC
2. RV
3. RJ
4. MC
5. Hannah
6. Stew
7. RD
8. Tomac
9. Ward
10. Stanton

1 is obvious, 2-5 you could make arguments for each guy being 2nd and IMO could move around easily.
Can’t put Stew lower than 6th I just can’t you could make a case for Eli above RD but Dungey’s bad days where 4th. Eli’s are 11th. Too many bad days to put Eli above RD.

Another thing is Wins get brought up to much and not Win percentages. Modern guys have more races for the most part. For Example Hannah won 27 SX races in his career. But if you plug his win percentage from 77 to 79 in todays 17 race season he would have won 27 in those years alone.
Dirty Points wrote:
One more season of peak Tomac, which we will fortunately likely experience, probably places him atop moto Mt Rushmore. Man, I have enjoyed watching him ride.
Perhaps. When your talking about these Legends your splitting hairs. One knock against Eli is outside of pre injury Roczen and After Dungey none of these guys should have beat him for titles. Webb, Anderson, Ferrandis and Osburne specifically. IMO he’s so much better then them overall. Sexton this summer would have been the first title in since 16-17 that he could have lost to a rider of equal caliber. At least for a season. But really after RC at 1 it’s all opinion and there really is no right answer as to who goes where.
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Press516 wrote:
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly...
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly every 500cc statistic. The guy has 6 freakin' titles and raced against some really bad dudes. He's got to be in the 7-8 range IMHO... And nothing against Reed, but I don't think he belongs on a top 10 all time AMA list.

Stewart won so many races but failed to put the titles together... Obviously just a bunch of opinions, including mine.

1. RC
2. RV
3. McGrath
4. RD
5. Eli
6. James
7. RJ
8. Broc
9. Wardy
10. Hannah

Worth looking at... http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeHome.htm
How can Hannah be number 10, Especially after commenting about younger guys writing posts!
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My top list for overall best AMA Pro Racers

RC
RJ
DUNGEY
ET3
RV
STANTON
WARD
HANNAH
JS7
BROC GLOVER

My List for Best Riders
RC
JS7
Pastrana
Kdub and ET3
RV, RJ, Hannah, Baily, RD (all so damn good you can't honestly pick one above the other)
Magoo and O'mara
Stanton, Wardy
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Darrin Willis wrote:
Total national titles should be the #1 criteria. Followed by wins. 250f and 125 sx titles and wins should mean nothing imo. Eli has 7 titles...
Total national titles should be the #1 criteria. Followed by wins. 250f and 125 sx titles and wins should mean nothing imo. Eli has 7 titles? Puts him ahead of all but rc and mc?
Ehh.
KW, JS, and CR Had to race RC.

RC had to race JS, CR and KW.

How many wins would either of the 3 of them have without just 1 of the other
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Darrin Willis wrote:
Total national titles should be the #1 criteria. Followed by wins. 250f and 125 sx titles and wins should mean nothing imo. Eli has 7 titles...
Total national titles should be the #1 criteria. Followed by wins. 250f and 125 sx titles and wins should mean nothing imo. Eli has 7 titles? Puts him ahead of all but rc and mc?
bama205 wrote:
Ehh. KW, JS, and CR Had to race RC. RC had to race JS, CR and KW. How many wins would either of the 3 of...
Ehh.
KW, JS, and CR Had to race RC.

RC had to race JS, CR and KW.

How many wins would either of the 3 of them have without just 1 of the other
Riders cant control who lines up. There For go by stats. Titles, wins. In order.
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1. RC
1. McGrath
3. Stewart
4. Dungey
4. RV
4. Tomac
4. Reed
8. Hannah
8. Johnson
10. Ward

My ties can go either way.

RC was the best ever MX, MC was the best ever SX. Both have numbers that will never be touched.

My #4 rider could switch at any time depending on what you value:
Dungey, consistency
RV, he won most titles he was healthy for
Tomac, Beast mode and number of wins/titles are moving up
Reed, longevity and number of wins

Hannah and Johnson are both basically the same guy just about a decade apart.

Wardy at #10 is basically criminal.
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Press516 wrote:
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly...
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly every 500cc statistic. The guy has 6 freakin' titles and raced against some really bad dudes. He's got to be in the 7-8 range IMHO... And nothing against Reed, but I don't think he belongs on a top 10 all time AMA list.

Stewart won so many races but failed to put the titles together... Obviously just a bunch of opinions, including mine.

1. RC
2. RV
3. McGrath
4. RD
5. Eli
6. James
7. RJ
8. Broc
9. Wardy
10. Hannah

Worth looking at... http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeHome.htm
SX_336 wrote:
This is the first list that makes ANY damn sense. All the ones above are brain hemorrhaging to look at.
Dungey ahead of Eli is laughable. He only won when RV was hurt. He was great yes, but 7-10 on this list
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RC
RV
Hannah
Tomac
Mcgrath
R. Johnson
Dungey
J. Stewart
Ward
Glover
Stanton
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Press516 wrote:
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly...
Must be a lot of younger guys posting here... To see Glover barely on a list and not on most lists is remarkable. He tops nearly every 500cc statistic. The guy has 6 freakin' titles and raced against some really bad dudes. He's got to be in the 7-8 range IMHO... And nothing against Reed, but I don't think he belongs on a top 10 all time AMA list.

Stewart won so many races but failed to put the titles together... Obviously just a bunch of opinions, including mine.

1. RC
2. RV
3. McGrath
4. RD
5. Eli
6. James
7. RJ
8. Broc
9. Wardy
10. Hannah

Worth looking at... http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeHome.htm
SX_336 wrote:
This is the first list that makes ANY damn sense. All the ones above are brain hemorrhaging to look at.
8tensolutions wrote:
Dungey ahead of Eli is laughable. He only won when RV was hurt. He was great yes, but 7-10 on this list
Head to head Dungey vs Tomac, who has more titles?
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