Did the 5 minutes matter?

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Edited Date/Time 9/8/2022 4:23am
Some of ya'll were just about ready to quit the sport over MX Sports making the motos shorter....

So...did it matter?

I say, no.
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Dirty Points 9/6/2022 1:26pm
9/6/2022 1:26pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2022 1:31pm
Nah.
It was 192 degrees. Everyone was done at 25 min.
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dsc131 9/6/2022 1:52pm
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Hunter would have won 250 moto 1.

Especially since that would have given Jett time to figure out who was behind him and let him “bye”.
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Dirty Points 9/6/2022 1:54pm
9/6/2022 1:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2022 1:54pm
dsc131 wrote:
Hunter would have won 250 moto 1.

Especially since that would have given Jett time to figure out who was behind him and let him “bye”.
Which wouldn't have effected the overall results.
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dsc131 9/6/2022 2:01pm
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dsc131 wrote:
Hunter would have won 250 moto 1.

Especially since that would have given Jett time to figure out who was behind him and let him “bye”.
Dirty Points wrote:
Which wouldn't have effected the overall results.
Agreed. I was looking for any change, even if it was who won a moto.
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Magoofan 9/6/2022 3:14pm
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Sure did.....it was 5 minutes less of me on the edge of my seat that first 450 race....
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My wife thinks 5 minutes is nothing. To me it’s a lifetime and not that easy.
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Maybe chase would have caught Eli in moto 1…… However, I didn’t hear Chase say “ if only I had 5 more minutes.” So I guess it probably didn’t matter in 450’s.
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Black Diesel Bomber 9/6/2022 3:43pm
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Yes the 5 minutes mattered because it's racing and anything can happen. An extra 10 minutes of total racing and you could have had mechanicals, crashes, flats, broken chain, lappers crashing or blocking lines, etc.

Tomac was strong but nothing was guaranteed. Chase got unlucky with the lapper at the wrong time and that's when Eli passed him. If the race would have went on longer it could have worked the other way around where Tomac got caught behind a lapper and Chase got around. You just never know what could have happened in 10 additional minutes of racing.

Also, depending on when the timer hit zero it could have been another 7 1/2 minutes per moto with another lap thrown in? Either way, 10 minutes is a lot of racing.

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tobz 9/6/2022 4:12pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Yes the 5 minutes mattered because it's racing and anything can happen. An extra 10 minutes of total racing and you could have had mechanicals, crashes...
Yes the 5 minutes mattered because it's racing and anything can happen. An extra 10 minutes of total racing and you could have had mechanicals, crashes, flats, broken chain, lappers crashing or blocking lines, etc.

Tomac was strong but nothing was guaranteed. Chase got unlucky with the lapper at the wrong time and that's when Eli passed him. If the race would have went on longer it could have worked the other way around where Tomac got caught behind a lapper and Chase got around. You just never know what could have happened in 10 additional minutes of racing.

Also, depending on when the timer hit zero it could have been another 7 1/2 minutes per moto with another lap thrown in? Either way, 10 minutes is a lot of racing.

Ifs and buts….

Why not make motos 60 minutes long so absolutely everything that could possibly happen does happen. Pinch

5 minutes shorter changed nothing, the field was cooked.
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Yes the 5 minutes mattered because it's racing and anything can happen. An extra 10 minutes of total racing and you could have had mechanicals, crashes...
Yes the 5 minutes mattered because it's racing and anything can happen. An extra 10 minutes of total racing and you could have had mechanicals, crashes, flats, broken chain, lappers crashing or blocking lines, etc.

Tomac was strong but nothing was guaranteed. Chase got unlucky with the lapper at the wrong time and that's when Eli passed him. If the race would have went on longer it could have worked the other way around where Tomac got caught behind a lapper and Chase got around. You just never know what could have happened in 10 additional minutes of racing.

Also, depending on when the timer hit zero it could have been another 7 1/2 minutes per moto with another lap thrown in? Either way, 10 minutes is a lot of racing.

This is the correct answer. No matter what shortening the moto will have an effect. Right now. If you ask Eli no. If you ask chase yes.
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LungButter 9/6/2022 6:01pm
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moto162 wrote:
This is the correct answer. No matter what shortening the moto will have an effect. Right now. If you ask Eli no. If you ask chase...
This is the correct answer. No matter what shortening the moto will have an effect. Right now. If you ask Eli no. If you ask chase yes.
You’re not wrong.

But what if it saved someone from heat stroke? Or death?

🤷‍♂️

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Langhammx 9/6/2022 6:24pm
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moto162 wrote:
This is the correct answer. No matter what shortening the moto will have an effect. Right now. If you ask Eli no. If you ask chase...
This is the correct answer. No matter what shortening the moto will have an effect. Right now. If you ask Eli no. If you ask chase yes.
LungButter wrote:
You’re not wrong.

But what if it saved someone from heat stroke? Or death?

🤷‍♂️

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KurtJ99 9/6/2022 6:25pm
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The way the race played out I’d say no. They (HRC and Star) agreed to it anyways.
If Chase had more laps 1st Moto and made a successful run up and pass on Tomac AND IF Chase didn’t crash the second Moto AND Tomac didn’t pull out last minute beast mode……
You get the point. I think it played out as fair to both of them as possible and left it in there hands. Eli’s hands were just a little steadier.
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KiwiBermRailer 9/7/2022 12:22am
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dsc131 wrote:
Hunter would have won 250 moto 1.

Especially since that would have given Jett time to figure out who was behind him and let him “bye”.
This.
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RussB 9/7/2022 12:23am
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I'd say yes, it made a difference.
If you went back in time and re ran those races at the original 30+2, the results would have been different in at least one of the races from the 2 classes. I'm not going to speculate what would have happened but 5 extra minutes per race would have made a difference somewhere.

I still think they made the right call though and the 25+2 was plenty enough for that heat!
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KurtJ99 wrote:
The way the race played out I’d say no. They (HRC and Star) agreed to it anyways. If Chase had more laps 1st Moto and made...
The way the race played out I’d say no. They (HRC and Star) agreed to it anyways.
If Chase had more laps 1st Moto and made a successful run up and pass on Tomac AND IF Chase didn’t crash the second Moto AND Tomac didn’t pull out last minute beast mode……
You get the point. I think it played out as fair to both of them as possible and left it in there hands. Eli’s hands were just a little steadier.
This.

All the riders had the same 25+2 to race. If you think 5 more minutes would have benefited you, then you should have practiced more starts or made more passes in the early laps.
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Leave Us To 9/7/2022 9:30am
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The one thing I know for sure was Eli was faster end of story. I was rooting for Chase up until the end but realized at Ironman, Eli had the upper hand and was managing the championship like the boss he is. Any remaining hope I had for 23 evaporated when Eli won the first moto.
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Gworm 9/7/2022 11:44am
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The real question is did the 15 minutes matter.
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mxnick 9/7/2022 2:32pm
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The primary reason behind the reduction was to give the riders more recovery time. About 30 minutes was added between motos (total ~90), as opposed to the normal 60.

It should be noted that the guys who rode the 30 and 40 “back in the day” had a wider recovery time/ window between motos. Live TV has made the window very very narrow.
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Mit12 9/7/2022 9:26pm
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Although we will never know what could have happened with 10 more minutes of racing, I am glad that the rider that won was clearly the dominate rider on the day leaving the fans without any doubt who earned the title. Congratulations Tomac on a job well done! Thank you Tomac and Sexton for making this the best outdoor title fight in history.
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BobbyM 9/7/2022 10:19pm
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LungButter wrote:
Some of ya'll were just about ready to quit the sport over MX Sports making the motos shorter....

So...did it matter?

I say, no.
It did if you were competing out there...trust me it mattered to those racers.
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88FYNN88 9/8/2022 4:23am
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NO, YES, MAYBE, WHO KNOWS........

It was a smart move by the AMA. The way Eli and Chase were pushing, another 5-10 mins of that could have leaded to some serious health issues.

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