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Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 8:28am
Doesn't anyone else see what is going on with states like California outlawing the sale of ICE powered cars?

Right now you have most likely at least 20 suppliers of fuel for your car just on your commute to work.

Once the government outlaws ICE powered vehicles they are effectively controlling the supply of fuel that they have a monopoly on. Anyone knows what happens when there is a monopoly?
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Searights 8/31/2022 10:35am
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It depends on if you own boardwalk AND park place.😁

All kidding aside, this is not good for anyone.
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8/31/2022 10:38am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 3:26pm
Us peasants have had far too much freedom for too long. Control the modes of transportation and you’ll control the herd. Control the media and the herd will think nothing of the control they’re being put under.
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McG194 8/31/2022 10:39am
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Searights wrote:
It depends on if you own boardwalk AND park place.😁

All kidding aside, this is not good for anyone.
When I own Boardwalk and Park Place I turn into a prick and attempt to dominate everyone else.

Thank God it's just a game.
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The smell of 2 stroke exhaust on my way to work is becoming more appealing
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McG194 8/31/2022 10:51am
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reded301 wrote:
Us peasants have had far too much freedom for too long. Control the modes of transportation and you’ll control the herd. Control the media and the...
Us peasants have had far too much freedom for too long. Control the modes of transportation and you’ll control the herd. Control the media and the herd will think nothing of the control they’re being put under.
Hit the nail on the head. It is so freaking frightening. EV's are the biggest power grab in history.
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reded301 wrote:
Us peasants have had far too much freedom for too long. Control the modes of transportation and you’ll control the herd. Control the media and the...
Us peasants have had far too much freedom for too long. Control the modes of transportation and you’ll control the herd. Control the media and the herd will think nothing of the control they’re being put under.
McG194 wrote:
Hit the nail on the head. It is so freaking frightening. EV's are the biggest power grab in history.
EVs are a subset of the entire global warming scam. Regulating CO2 and other GHGs is the real population control mechanism.
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And on the same day they ask people not to charge them because of power shortages.


Go Gavin Newsome.

Funny to find out Newsome's parents have contributed to Ron Desantis's campaign.
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borg 8/31/2022 11:54am
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Some of you guys are Elon Musk fans. He said recently that we need more fossil fuels not less.
He also tried to tell the economically immature Dems in California that the state does not have anywhere near the infrastructure to support the EV's they are mandating.
They ignored him because he was an inconvenience to their utopian dreams. It also means that these assholes do not care about the hardships they put us unwashed through. That was obvious when they shut down the economy. I keep thinking that at some point in time, the people here in California, will wake up and quit voting for these POS democrats. I guess I have utopian dreams too.
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borg wrote:
Some of you guys are Elon Musk fans. He said recently that we need more fossil fuels not less. He also tried to tell the economically...
Some of you guys are Elon Musk fans. He said recently that we need more fossil fuels not less.
He also tried to tell the economically immature Dems in California that the state does not have anywhere near the infrastructure to support the EV's they are mandating.
They ignored him because he was an inconvenience to their utopian dreams. It also means that these assholes do not care about the hardships they put us unwashed through. That was obvious when they shut down the economy. I keep thinking that at some point in time, the people here in California, will wake up and quit voting for these POS democrats. I guess I have utopian dreams too.
The only way that California is ever going to get fixed is by a large jump in republican voters moving in or spliting the state and having all republicans move to north or south cali.. But thats a huge jump. California single handedly give democrats the popular vote in every presidential election. Every election there's 3-5 million more Democrat votes then Republicans in California. This is why we have the electoral college otherwise we would all be following calis lead weather we want to or not.
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Xcel Customers: *Enrolls in a program that automatically sets thermostats*
*Thermostats get set automatically*
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Falcon 9/1/2022 12:17pm
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Yeah, no thanks. No "automatic" thermostats for me. Rolling blackouts are bad enough.
CA already has that feature; you can opt-in to let them turn your AC off every now and then. No thanks.

My ideal electricity scenario would be to have a massive solar array, a big battery, and street power only when my battery runs low. I'll put a master switch on the whole thing so I can turn the electric company off.
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LoudLove 9/1/2022 12:37pm
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Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
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MudPup545 9/1/2022 12:48pm
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
Love my hybrid. Best of both worlds. I don’t have to plug it in and zero range anxiety. 14 gallon tank gives me about 600 miles.
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
Thats only because all the Pontiac Aztecs are dead.
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LungButter 9/1/2022 2:37pm
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I'm all for progress but it's not a good look when they announce only EV sales by 2035 and then less than a week later tell EV users not to plug them in because of lack of power.

Nothing to see here folks...I'm just over here stockpiling food, fuel and firewood as fast as reasonably possible.
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McG194 9/1/2022 3:59pm
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
It has nothing to do with the best long-term strategy, it's about control.

If it was about efficiency why hasn't the 6 cycle engine ever gained traction?
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SEEMEFIRST 9/2/2022 10:44pm
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
MudPup545 wrote:
Love my hybrid. Best of both worlds. I don’t have to plug it in and zero range anxiety. 14 gallon tank gives me about 600 miles.
I'll replace your inverter pump cheaper than your dealer.
What is that you ask? You'll find out soon enough.
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sumdood 9/3/2022 12:18am
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Falcon wrote:
Yeah, no thanks. No "automatic" thermostats for me. Rolling blackouts are bad enough. CA already has that feature; you can opt-in to let them turn your...
Yeah, no thanks. No "automatic" thermostats for me. Rolling blackouts are bad enough.
CA already has that feature; you can opt-in to let them turn your AC off every now and then. No thanks.

My ideal electricity scenario would be to have a massive solar array, a big battery, and street power only when my battery runs low. I'll put a master switch on the whole thing so I can turn the electric company off.
The other day I was thinking that I could have free lighting in my house by putting some RV solar panels on the roof, put four 6 volt batteries in the crawl space under the house (where it stays cool) and run a separate 12 volt led lighting system throughout the whole house completely independent from the 120V lights. (Just exactly like is on my camper). Each room has 2 switches, the high voltage switches and lights that have always been there, and a separate 12 volt switch for "Free" lighting. If it's cloudy for a few days just hit the old switch. Also install those sola-tube lights in a couple dark areas of the house, and maybe put the 12V led's in the same fixture ? Basically set up the house just like an RV, completely independent of the high voltage. I'd leave the spa pump and refrigerator on the 120 circuit, and the oven because of the 120v ignitors. I don't have AC and my house has an old ski lodge style millivolt floor heater and a fireplace, so I can keep my place warm without 120v. The tv and computers could run off an inverter just like when we're camping.
We already have solar lights in the yard, they were cheap and work surprisingly well. Just the cheapies that you stick in the ground, no wires, no controller, just stick em where you want light at night, easy.

I have a problem with spending over 15 or 20 grand for a system that's hooked into the grid. I've talked to a lot of customers with solar electric houses and they still get electric bills, plus the panel payment. Some have payment agreements that require a 10plus year commitment. Most said the salesman told them "During summer you'll be generating more than you need and the electric company will buy it from you" Haven't found one that got a check for electricity generation. With the do it yourself rv style set up no one has to know shit, except your meter spins less, and it's not SUPER expensive

Retirement project Laughing Smile
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sumdood 9/3/2022 12:33am
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
Why they can't take that ugly ass body off and design a small mini truck that fits on the same chassis is beyond me. A true high mileage mini truck for gardeners, small delivery companies, pool cleaners etc. etc. And offer a stripped down base model for under 20K. They'd sell every single one they made I bet.
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MudPup545 9/3/2022 5:26am
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
MudPup545 wrote:
Love my hybrid. Best of both worlds. I don’t have to plug it in and zero range anxiety. 14 gallon tank gives me about 600 miles.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
I'll replace your inverter pump cheaper than your dealer.
What is that you ask? You'll find out soon enough.
I appreciate the offer but, with you living in Texas I’m not sure that’d be the practical route.
tcannon521 9/3/2022 8:28am
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LoudLove wrote:
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t...
Meanwhile, federal regulations force Toyota to invest billions into EV battery development, even though their research clearly shows hybrids as the best long-term strategy. You won’t find Toyota gleefully promoting a car with a plug. But they do promote the Prius, perhaps cosmetically the ugliest vehicle on the road today.
sumdood wrote:
Why they can't take that ugly ass body off and design a small mini truck that fits on the same chassis is beyond me. A true...
Why they can't take that ugly ass body off and design a small mini truck that fits on the same chassis is beyond me. A true high mileage mini truck for gardeners, small delivery companies, pool cleaners etc. etc. And offer a stripped down base model for under 20K. They'd sell every single one they made I bet.
Why would they? The Prius probably has an average selling price of $33,000 and they sell all they can make. Also, this model would eat into their Tacoma business which probably has an average selling price of $40,000

If you are supply constrained, why lower your average selling price?
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