Need guidance on the US Youth/Mini classes in the US (Mini O’s in Florida)

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I am helping out 2 families planning to race the THOR Mini O’s in Florida.
As we are European (Swedish), we do not recognize the youth classes you have in the US.
The boys are 11 and 12 years old and when looking at the website for the event, there seem to be multiple classes that they could be eligible for.

https://unlimitedsportsmx.com/events/thor-mini-os/

They are pretty fast and win races here in their age group.
They will race Husky TC 85 respectively KTM SX 85 "big wheels" (19/16" wheels).

Am I right when I read the website that the 11 year old can participate in following classes;
85CC (9-11) LIMITED
85CC (9-11)


Am I right when I read the website that the 12 year old can participate in following classes;
85cc (12-13) Limited
85cc (12-13)
Super Mini 1 (12-15)

So, I guess "Limited" is stock engines?
If so, what is the difference between 85cc (12-13) and Super Mini 1 (12-15)? Is it just that Super Mini allow larger displacement (max 112cc)

Looking forward to some guidance! Smile

Thanks!






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7/15/2022 12:31pm
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
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7/15/2022 12:41pm
No big wheels in the age divisions, only supermini. If they are fast, be sure to bring a birth certificate. Limited = stock
other class is mod, just stay at 85cc
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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
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Lowbidder wrote:
No big wheels in the age divisions, only supermini. If they are fast, be sure to bring a birth certificate. Limited = stock other class is...
No big wheels in the age divisions, only supermini. If they are fast, be sure to bring a birth certificate. Limited = stock
other class is mod, just stay at 85cc
Ohh - that was vital information! So the 11 year old is forced to ride a 17/14" (small wheel) then? (as there does not look as there is a Super Mini class for 11 year olds.
Is this understood correctly, thanks!

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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
flykay wrote:
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in...
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
What I’m saying is that he may actually be 12 years old but in the eyes of the AMA he’s 11 years old because he turned 12 after Jan 1rst 2022 and thus can race any class that allows 11 year olds. Your age for the year is the age you are at when the clock strikes midnight for 2022.
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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
flykay wrote:
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in...
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
What I’m saying is that he may actually be 12 years old but in the eyes of the AMA he’s 11 years old because he turned...
What I’m saying is that he may actually be 12 years old but in the eyes of the AMA he’s 11 years old because he turned 12 after Jan 1rst 2022 and thus can race any class that allows 11 year olds. Your age for the year is the age you are at when the clock strikes midnight for 2022.
Ok, great information! And also so different. In Sweden, we go after which year you are born. So if you are 11 years old and entering a race for 12 year olds that is held in September and birthday is in say November same year, you still can race the 12 years class (because you will turn 12 during the year that the event is held)
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Hey there! I used to be an ama referee for amateur events up until last year and would love to help.

Here are some key notes:

Age on January 1st is your “AMA Age” throughout the entire year.

Big wheels cannot be used in any classes other than supermini. He cannot race supermini unless he is Ama 12 (12 on the first day of the year) and at that he can only race one class(supermini 1). He will also be racing 105cc and 112cc’s in this class, there’s probably not a single person with a stock bore and stroke in this class. Would not recommend and would instead put small wheels on the bike and get him used to that even if he is bigger than the average 12 year old.

85cc classes they are eligible depending on their age:

85cc 10-11 limited

85cc 10-11

85cc 12-13 Limited

85cc 12-13

Mini Sr. 1 12-14 (also an 85cc class)

Limited classes pretty much means a bone stock bike with the exception of bars and levers. But check out the rulebook out, there are some other minor parts that are okay. MANY people sign up for this class and don’t realize how much of the bike must remain OEM so be sure to check out the rulebook which can be found on the ama website. They won’t let you on the gate if you are spotted with an “illegal part” in staging or if you do some how squeeze through without other competitors or officials noticing then once someone does notice you will be disqualified. And believe me, there’s always someone on staging that is going to go find a referee even if the kids aren’t competing for wins. So best to be educated on the rulebook before you get there forsure.

There are still limitations to these non limited classes such as bore, stroke, wheels, etc. so be sure to check out the rulebook there as well. Hopefully this points you in the right direction.
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Yea they could both race 9-11 but the big wheels would be the problem.
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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
flykay wrote:
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in...
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
That makes him ama 11 so he's eligible for 85cc 9-11 and 9-11 Ltd
9-11 is open to mods
9-11 Ltd is stock bike. There are certain mods you can do like suspension re valve for weight. Ama has a limited list.
85cc class is always small wheels in US.
He's also eligible for 65 10-11 and 10-11 Ltd. You'll find most kids will race all 4 of those classes.

Only doing 2 classes means it'll be a long week with a lot of down time.

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flykay wrote:
I am helping out 2 families planning to race the THOR Mini O’s in Florida. As we are European (Swedish), we do not recognize the youth...
I am helping out 2 families planning to race the THOR Mini O’s in Florida.
As we are European (Swedish), we do not recognize the youth classes you have in the US.
The boys are 11 and 12 years old and when looking at the website for the event, there seem to be multiple classes that they could be eligible for.

https://unlimitedsportsmx.com/events/thor-mini-os/

They are pretty fast and win races here in their age group.
They will race Husky TC 85 respectively KTM SX 85 "big wheels" (19/16" wheels).

Am I right when I read the website that the 11 year old can participate in following classes;
85CC (9-11) LIMITED
85CC (9-11)


Am I right when I read the website that the 12 year old can participate in following classes;
85cc (12-13) Limited
85cc (12-13)
Super Mini 1 (12-15)

So, I guess "Limited" is stock engines?
If so, what is the difference between 85cc (12-13) and Super Mini 1 (12-15)? Is it just that Super Mini allow larger displacement (max 112cc)

Looking forward to some guidance! Smile

Thanks!






As I'm sure you know, they will be racing Motocross and Supercross, pretty much two events. There will be divisions of each of these classes, to qualify for the mains. Between practice, the qualifiers and mains, you shouldnt be sitting around to terribly long. Mini O's motos are not as long as other nationals, as I remember they go pretty quick. You can probably sign each up for three classes. Good luck.
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Good luck on your magnificent journey! Have fun, no pressure.
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7/16/2022 8:06am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2022 10:44am
Last year they capped the classes and lots of classes sold out. Capped at like 120ish people
In certain class. So sign up quick when they open.

Hopefully they are pretty fast, 85 class is no joke. Most the kids won’t even qualify for the main event
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7/16/2022 2:19pm
No big wheels allowed in any of the 9 to 11 classes. You can run a 16 inch rear and the nonlimited classes
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revenmx wrote:
Hey there! I used to be an ama referee for amateur events up until last year and would love to help. Here are some key notes...
Hey there! I used to be an ama referee for amateur events up until last year and would love to help.

Here are some key notes:

Age on January 1st is your “AMA Age” throughout the entire year.

Big wheels cannot be used in any classes other than supermini. He cannot race supermini unless he is Ama 12 (12 on the first day of the year) and at that he can only race one class(supermini 1). He will also be racing 105cc and 112cc’s in this class, there’s probably not a single person with a stock bore and stroke in this class. Would not recommend and would instead put small wheels on the bike and get him used to that even if he is bigger than the average 12 year old.

85cc classes they are eligible depending on their age:

85cc 10-11 limited

85cc 10-11

85cc 12-13 Limited

85cc 12-13

Mini Sr. 1 12-14 (also an 85cc class)

Limited classes pretty much means a bone stock bike with the exception of bars and levers. But check out the rulebook out, there are some other minor parts that are okay. MANY people sign up for this class and don’t realize how much of the bike must remain OEM so be sure to check out the rulebook which can be found on the ama website. They won’t let you on the gate if you are spotted with an “illegal part” in staging or if you do some how squeeze through without other competitors or officials noticing then once someone does notice you will be disqualified. And believe me, there’s always someone on staging that is going to go find a referee even if the kids aren’t competing for wins. So best to be educated on the rulebook before you get there forsure.

There are still limitations to these non limited classes such as bore, stroke, wheels, etc. so be sure to check out the rulebook there as well. Hopefully this points you in the right direction.
Great information - thank you so much!
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Yea they could both race 9-11 but the big wheels would be the problem.
Yepp - thanks!
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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
flykay wrote:
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in...
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
109 wrote:
That makes him ama 11 so he's eligible for 85cc 9-11 and 9-11 Ltd 9-11 is open to mods 9-11 Ltd is stock bike. There are...
That makes him ama 11 so he's eligible for 85cc 9-11 and 9-11 Ltd
9-11 is open to mods
9-11 Ltd is stock bike. There are certain mods you can do like suspension re valve for weight. Ama has a limited list.
85cc class is always small wheels in US.
He's also eligible for 65 10-11 and 10-11 Ltd. You'll find most kids will race all 4 of those classes.

Only doing 2 classes means it'll be a long week with a lot of down time.

Yepp - thanks!
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oceantrav wrote:
Last year they capped the classes and lots of classes sold out. Capped at like 120ish people In certain class. So sign up quick when they...
Last year they capped the classes and lots of classes sold out. Capped at like 120ish people
In certain class. So sign up quick when they open.

Hopefully they are pretty fast, 85 class is no joke. Most the kids won’t even qualify for the main event
Ok, thanks for the heads up!
Yepp - we are on for the challenge! Smile
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No big wheels allowed in any of the 9 to 11 classes. You can run a 16 inch rear and the nonlimited classes
Ok - thanks!
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Good luck on your magnificent journey! Have fun, no pressure.
Haha - thanks! Smile
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Ok, thanks for all information and help guys, much appreciated!
Got both their birthdays’ months now, one turns 11 years in November and one turns 12 years in April.
So their “AMA ages” is then 10 and 11 then and should put them both in the same 9-11 years classes.
It will fore sure be a challenging event, not only the competition but also due to the fact that they will have to get used to the small wheel bikes.

Nevertheless, they will for sure have and lifetime adventure!
Once again, thanks to all of you and the contribution and answers to my questions – cheers! 😊
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When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race...
When did the 12 year old turn 12? If it was after Jan 1rst 2022 then he considered an AMA 11 year old and can race at that age!
flykay wrote:
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in...
Uhmm... dont know. I can find out. But for for sure the 12 year old turned 12 after 1st Jan 2022 and will be 12 in time for the event.
109 wrote:
That makes him ama 11 so he's eligible for 85cc 9-11 and 9-11 Ltd 9-11 is open to mods 9-11 Ltd is stock bike. There are...
That makes him ama 11 so he's eligible for 85cc 9-11 and 9-11 Ltd
9-11 is open to mods
9-11 Ltd is stock bike. There are certain mods you can do like suspension re valve for weight. Ama has a limited list.
85cc class is always small wheels in US.
He's also eligible for 65 10-11 and 10-11 Ltd. You'll find most kids will race all 4 of those classes.

Only doing 2 classes means it'll be a long week with a lot of down time.

Yepp - thanks! I think they will have to stick to the 85s though. Gonna be expensive enough buying 85 bikes in US just for this event Smile

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