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Wasn't aware of Twisted Engineering until I searched for Flexx bars. Thank you Vital search function.

What model of Flex bars would be most suitable for KTM 300? I am five ten.
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1/26/2022 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2022 1:14pm
Wasn't aware of Twisted Engineering until I searched for Flexx bars. Thank you Vital search function. What model of Flex bars would be most suitable for...
Wasn't aware of Twisted Engineering until I searched for Flexx bars. Thank you Vital search function.

What model of Flex bars would be most suitable for KTM 300? I am five ten.
Maybe KTM bend?
My set finally gave up the ghost and snapped off 5 min into a ride pulling it out of a mud hole. Dodged a bullet for sure as it was a high speed rock run. Those bars didn’t owe me a dime and I was about to retire them.
I must have had close to 400 hours on them.




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Wasn't aware of Twisted Engineering until I searched for Flexx bars. Thank you Vital search function. What model of Flex bars would be most suitable for...
Wasn't aware of Twisted Engineering until I searched for Flexx bars. Thank you Vital search function.

What model of Flex bars would be most suitable for KTM 300? I am five ten.
I have these like new Flexxbars with handguards for sale:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/For-Sale-Bazaar,26/FasstCo-Flexxbars-wit…

I am trialing my old Flexxbars against the Twisted Engineering 4X bars, so selling these since they aren't beat up (vs. my other set).
6/29/2022 7:40pm
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some.

I have FLEXX bars, but I'd like something lighter with decent flex properties. I've heard the hot setup for flex is Twinwalls with the brace removed. ?????

Rider 5280, you still running the TE bars?

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6/29/2022 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 6/30/2022 9:31pm
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some. I have...
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some.

I have FLEXX bars, but I'd like something lighter with decent flex properties. I've heard the hot setup for flex is Twinwalls with the brace removed. ?????

Rider 5280, you still running the TE bars?
I am still running Twisted Engineering (TE) bars, MAKO 360 clamps, NEKEN SFS clamps, and now brought Pro Taper ACF bars and XTRIG ROCS clamps into the mix.

Here are my current configs and thoughts:

(1) 2008 CRF450R with XTRIG ROCS clamps, MAKO 360 bar mounts and Twisted Engineering (TE) bars
---Current assessment: I've got the forks on this bike set up a little too harsh I know, but I am surprised how much "sting" still makes it to my wrists with this config. I also noticed harshness/headshake increased when I installed the XTRIGs on this bike, but the bike's steering is quite accurate. Note that I also ran XTRIG PHDS clamps BEFORE the MAKO 360 mounts and the MAKO 360s were quite a bit better (IMO). I rank this #3 of 3 for my current setups.

(2) 2016 YZ250F with NEKEN SFS clamps (top and bottom set) and stock Yamaha-spec Pro Taper bars
---Current assessment: I've got the forks set up pretty good on this bike (dang I appreciate KYB SSS forks!). Super forgiving setup, awesome on everything + super protecting to my wrists on sharp-edge hack, but the vibration/buzz to my hands is highest on this bike (even when I'm not revved out). I rank this #2 of 3 for my current setups and am going to try some different ODI grip options to see if I can remove some/most of the buzz.

(3) 2020 YZ450F with OEM triple clamps, MAKO 360 bar mounts and a Pro Taper ACF bar
---Current assessment: I've got the forks set up pretty good on this bike, too (daaaaaang I appreciate KYB SSS forks!). Super forgiving setup, awesome on everything + super protecting to my wrists on sharp-edge hack, minimal vibration, overall just an excellent setup. I rank this #1 of 3 for my current setups.

*** Note: All bikes are fitted with ODI MX V2 lock-on "No Waffle" in BLACK grips

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Summary thoughts/recommendations:

(1) The NEKEN SFS clamps are still my favorite of the mods I list above

(2) The MAKO 360 bar mounts are really a neat product --- a close #2 in my book, but they can't beat the physical shock-absorption travel of the NEKEN SFS clamps (I think the SFS clamps have ~ 1/2" of telescoping movement). I ended up with the hardest elastomer in the "shark bite" assembly to minimize bar rotation when I yank the bars. That solved my concerns from earlier experimentation.

(3) The TE bars are quite nice, but I still think I prefer the FasstCo Flexxbar's feel (for flex adjustability and preload possibilities with elastomers and overall "sting" reduction) but they are heavy feeling for some - no question. I thought the combo of the XTRIG ROCS with the MAKO 360 bar mounts and TE bars would blow the other setups away. But It didn't. And my forks weren't horrible before all of these experiments, so I am honestly not quite sure what to think yet. I am starting to think TE bars might be best on lower-speed terrain and that OEM clamps, in general, are the way to go if you if you want the least rigid feel ... if you don't go with NEKEN SFS clamps.

(4) The Pro Taper ACF bar is a nice bar, but I can't say I noticed any improvement over the Yamaha-spec Pro Tapers ... but they were mounted in the MAKO 360 clamps (I've never tried them in typical bar clamps). I really should put these on the YZ250F with the NEKEN SFS clamps to evaluate their vibration reduction qualities. That'd be a fair(er) test.

I am sticking with the above setups for the 2022 season to evaluate things more and "just ride." I'd guess I've got ~ 10 hours on the CRF450R with its current setup, 20+ hours on the YZ250F, and 17 hours on the YZ450F. I may have more updates later if I learn more ... so more to come ... maybe.

I hope that was helpful even though I do realize it's a bit inconclusive - which I didn't expect.

P.S.
TE bars are like softly damped springs, Flexxbars and MAKO 360s are shock-isolating elastomers (not springy), and SFS clamps are full-up shock absorbers (fluid damping + springs). If you think in these terms and what feel you like, this will likely steer you down the path that is best for you.
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6/30/2022 4:32am
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some. I have...
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some.

I have FLEXX bars, but I'd like something lighter with decent flex properties. I've heard the hot setup for flex is Twinwalls with the brace removed. ?????

Rider 5280, you still running the TE bars?
My buddies wife gave me her almost new set of TE Windham 3X. I ride with her husband and help him out a lot with developing skill. She sold her Beta and wanted me to have them after I broke mine. It’s been a bit of a struggle to adjust to the height compared to the low bars I’m used to. So far, so good. I have them pulled back a fair amount.
Flexxbars are just too bulky and heavy for me. I’d pull the trigger and buy a set, if you don’t like they are pretty easy to sell.
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6/30/2022 12:54pm
That's a lot of information Rider. I would have though the TE bars and Mako 360 would be like butter, but sometimes things just don't go the way you think. I've tried the 360 and ended up going back to the FLEXX bars. I think it was that the flex is more controlled with the FLEXX bars than the 360 clamps.

As Swordfish mentioned, it's the bulk of the FLEXX bars that I would like to get away from, so the lighter, less bulky TE bars seem appealing. That and I have visions of the old Inter-am solid aluminum bars when I read about them. I really wish someone would bring back the solid aluminum bar. I loved those things. They had great flex and I couldn't bend them. And trust me, I was bending a lot of bars back then.

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That's a lot of information Rider. I would have though the TE bars and Mako 360 would be like butter, but sometimes things just don't go...
That's a lot of information Rider. I would have though the TE bars and Mako 360 would be like butter, but sometimes things just don't go the way you think. I've tried the 360 and ended up going back to the FLEXX bars. I think it was that the flex is more controlled with the FLEXX bars than the 360 clamps.

As Swordfish mentioned, it's the bulk of the FLEXX bars that I would like to get away from, so the lighter, less bulky TE bars seem appealing. That and I have visions of the old Inter-am solid aluminum bars when I read about them. I really wish someone would bring back the solid aluminum bar. I loved those things. They had great flex and I couldn't bend them. And trust me, I was bending a lot of bars back then.

... had too much coffee this morning. Woohoo
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7/1/2022 11:53am
Put the ProTaper ACF bars in my Mako360. Definitely an improvement over the PT Evo bars
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Put the ProTaper ACF bars in my Mako360. Definitely an improvement over the PT Evo bars
What specifically did you notice that was different with the Pro Taper ACF?

I am riding a pretty smooth MX track these days, so the square edge hits aren't put to the test fully.
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7/1/2022 3:09pm
So the Mako was a monster upgrade with roots/rock/jarring hit reduction. Always felt like the EVO bars were stiff and all the work came out of the Mako. I really liked the idea of the ACF bar but the real reason I bought them is because of the amount of control space available. I cut 3/4” off each end for the woods and I would barely have space for handgaurds and everything else to mount. I put on the ACF bars and instantly within the first 15 min, I had countless rocks and roots I expected to get some hit from that never happened. I was really impressed. Part of me wonders if the bars will even break in and flex more like a composite softball bat.

If you are skeptical of dropping the coin on a Mako, don’t ride that much offroad, I’d give the ACF bars a shot. They are the first bars that I’ve actually said wow about
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7/1/2022 3:27pm
Pretty sure I’ve seen Chad Reed and a handful of the Star guys with ACF bars in blogs already. Not that they are directly paying for them, but none the less
7/1/2022 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2022 8:27am
Good information.

Unfortunately, that just adds more confusion to my simple mind. Sad

If they made an ACF in a very low sweep KTM style bend I'd be all over it.
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Good information. Unfortunately, that just adds more confusion to my simple mind. :( If they made an ACF in a very low sweep KTM style bend...
Good information.

Unfortunately, that just adds more confusion to my simple mind. Sad

If they made an ACF in a very low sweep KTM style bend I'd be all over it.
New set of 3X KTM low for sale for $400 on KTMTalk.
https://ktmtalk.com/showthread.php?566185-New-Twisted-Engineering-Compo…
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Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some. I have...
Bringing this one back to life, because even with pictures of a broken set right in front of me I'm thinking about getting some.

I have FLEXX bars, but I'd like something lighter with decent flex properties. I've heard the hot setup for flex is Twinwalls with the brace removed. ?????

Rider 5280, you still running the TE bars?
swordfish wrote:
My buddies wife gave me her almost new set of TE Windham 3X. I ride with her husband and help him out a lot with developing...
My buddies wife gave me her almost new set of TE Windham 3X. I ride with her husband and help him out a lot with developing skill. She sold her Beta and wanted me to have them after I broke mine. It’s been a bit of a struggle to adjust to the height compared to the low bars I’m used to. So far, so good. I have them pulled back a fair amount.
Flexxbars are just too bulky and heavy for me. I’d pull the trigger and buy a set, if you don’t like they are pretty easy to sell.
If you want to sell the windham 3x units and they have not seen hard crashes I'm interested.
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I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them.
I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable. About 6 hours on them.
I've fallen harder many times on Pro Tapers
Calling TE they offered me 20% on a new set.
Even if they are made better I'm very unpleased with their support. 400+ on a set of bars I expect them to stand behind their product. They can keep their junk bars. Not to mention I could never have confidence using them again
I still have them if someone needs a picture.
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MaxPower wrote:
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them. I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable...
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them.
I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable. About 6 hours on them.
I've fallen harder many times on Pro Tapers
Calling TE they offered me 20% on a new set.
Even if they are made better I'm very unpleased with their support. 400+ on a set of bars I expect them to stand behind their product. They can keep their junk bars. Not to mention I could never have confidence using them again
I still have them if someone needs a picture.
Was this the newest setup from twisted they built the bars different than the earlier models.
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Quick Google shows more than enough broken Twisted bars for me. No matter how well they perform it's a risk I wouldn't gamble on. I have Fasst co. now but will probably try ACF next.
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Melicar wrote:
Quick Google shows more than enough broken Twisted bars for me. No matter how well they perform it's a risk I wouldn't gamble on. I have...
Quick Google shows more than enough broken Twisted bars for me. No matter how well they perform it's a risk I wouldn't gamble on. I have Fasst co. now but will probably try ACF next.
Why don’t you do a Google search and look how many broken or bent aluminum bars you can find.
The newest version of the bars is built so they won’t break or snap off. They have a reinforcement built in.
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Also, can’t even compare to the ACF. They are nothing alike. Try pulling on an ACF bar and see if it flexes.
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MaxPower wrote:
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them. I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable...
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them.
I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable. About 6 hours on them.
I've fallen harder many times on Pro Tapers
Calling TE they offered me 20% on a new set.
Even if they are made better I'm very unpleased with their support. 400+ on a set of bars I expect them to stand behind their product. They can keep their junk bars. Not to mention I could never have confidence using them again
I still have them if someone needs a picture.
werner822 wrote:
Was this the newest setup from twisted they built the bars different than the earlier models.
That great. I don't want to read any threads where guys that have gotten busted up from broken bars.
I still don't want to give my money to someone that doesn't stand behind their product
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MaxPower wrote:
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them. I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable...
I'd never spend money on Twisted Engineering Bars nor recommend them.
I had a not severe crash in practice and they broke. Broke bad and unusable. About 6 hours on them.
I've fallen harder many times on Pro Tapers
Calling TE they offered me 20% on a new set.
Even if they are made better I'm very unpleased with their support. 400+ on a set of bars I expect them to stand behind their product. They can keep their junk bars. Not to mention I could never have confidence using them again
I still have them if someone needs a picture.
werner822 wrote:
Was this the newest setup from twisted they built the bars different than the earlier models.
MaxPower wrote:
That great. I don't want to read any threads where guys that have gotten busted up from broken bars. I still don't want to give my...
That great. I don't want to read any threads where guys that have gotten busted up from broken bars.
I still don't want to give my money to someone that doesn't stand behind their product
Yeah, fair enough. They are a shit vendor.
I got my current set for free, no way I’d pay almost $650 CDN for a set of bars.
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Is it possible to mount a Scotts Damper to the Neken SFS clamp?

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Joko wrote:

Is it possible to mount a Scotts Damper to the Neken SFS clamp?

Yessir!

I'll upload a pic of mine and brand/part number tomorrow.

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Joko wrote:

Is it possible to mount a Scotts Damper to the Neken SFS clamp?

Rider 5280 wrote:

Yessir!

I'll upload a pic of mine and brand/part number tomorrow.

Is it a top or sub mount setup?

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Joko wrote:

Is it possible to mount a Scotts Damper to the Neken SFS clamp?

Rider 5280 wrote:

Yessir!

I'll upload a pic of mine and brand/part number tomorrow.

Joko wrote:

Is it a top or sub mount setup?

Top

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4/23/2023 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2023 2:23pm

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 It's a Fastway top clamp for Scotts steering dampers/stabilizers and it's the one for KTMs (2018+) I believe. It was the only one I could find at the time and it was worked perfectly.

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4/23/2023 4:43pm

Thanks; So there’s at least 10mm of travel on the locating pin when the SFS bottoms? 

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Joko wrote:

Thanks; So there’s at least 10mm of travel on the locating pin when the SFS bottoms? 

Oh $hit ... um ... now that you ask ...

Just kidding, all good, works great, highly recommended. Notice how I have the pin flush with the top of the damper arm? That was to maximize pin/damper arm contact yet still have enough travel. This particular pin had adequate flats, so it turned out perfect.

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