#10: MXGP of France - June 4-5

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M.B. wrote:
What they are boycoting? can somebody explain? Rain or something else?
Im in the same boat, i dont know what talking about.
Maybe some riders didnt race because the rain...
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The track was shitty and one line after the heavy rain, all the big hitters want to scrap the race ' for safety' and use quali times, but the FIM deem track is not dangerous.

Guys decide not to take the start, that is their choice.

Guys who race get a better gate for tomorrow.
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6/4/2022 9:07am
I hope you guys are kidding right?

They have done time practice, we all know how they should line up tomorrow, no race needed....

And if the race was not in France, Renaux 100% would not have lined up either.

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6/4/2022 9:07am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2022 9:07am
M.B. wrote:
What they are boycoting? can somebody explain? Rain or something else?
Looks like Geerts got hurt in a start crash in MX2 so they thought it wasn't worth the risk I guess.
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Jago Geerts "Good news, nothing broken just bruised. 🙏Now time for the physio to be ready for tomorrow's races.💪"
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Elliot wrote:
Looks like Geerts got hurt in a start crash in MX2 so they thought it wasn't worth the risk I guess.
Start crash can happend in every condition. If they are afraid of that, they better can never line up again.

Geerts was in wrong place wrong time, a rider swap to the right and took his front wheel out. Racing incident.
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6/4/2022 10:43am
Wonder how the vibe will be under the Yamaha tent.
Seewer didn’t seemed to happy that the race still went on and a little later Renaux is lining up as one off the only factory guys Grinning
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And people say ' we should have a Riders Union'.
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Toendel flying... Literally. Shocked
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6/4/2022 12:09pm
I’m still speechless that so many decided not to race. If nobody had gone out, or the FIM had deemed the track too dangerous, then that would be a different story. But these are the best riders in the world and the guys who did race showed just how rideable it was.

The sun was out and there was dust in places. The 125 boys raced the same track during torrential rain yet the top MXGP boys decided to not bother?! If their shit gate pick means they don’t get the start, and ultimately position they are capabable of tomorrow, and I’m a team sponsor then I would not be best pleased.
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The reaction of Everts tells enough when Prado explains its was to dangerous and unsafe and they decided not to line up.


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I’m still speechless that so many decided not to race. If nobody had gone out, or the FIM had deemed the track too dangerous, then that...
I’m still speechless that so many decided not to race. If nobody had gone out, or the FIM had deemed the track too dangerous, then that would be a different story. But these are the best riders in the world and the guys who did race showed just how rideable it was.

The sun was out and there was dust in places. The 125 boys raced the same track during torrential rain yet the top MXGP boys decided to not bother?! If their shit gate pick means they don’t get the start, and ultimately position they are capabable of tomorrow, and I’m a team sponsor then I would not be best pleased.
Seewer just said on an MX Vice Pod that the problem was that they did zero prep on the start straight , and first turn from the MX2 race , and that was dumb.

He cites lack of respect from the organisors , as the reason why they said 'enough' .

I feel differently now i hear this, and a said at the time, the fact they did fuck all to the track was dumb.
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philG wrote:
Seewer just said on an MX Vice Pod that the problem was that they did zero prep on the start straight , and first turn from...
Seewer just said on an MX Vice Pod that the problem was that they did zero prep on the start straight , and first turn from the MX2 race , and that was dumb.

He cites lack of respect from the organisors , as the reason why they said 'enough' .

I feel differently now i hear this, and a said at the time, the fact they did fuck all to the track was dumb.
Im listened right now the podcast and hapened the same for me.
First i think all riders are pussies but now i undestand that his decission involves some more things tanh we know.
Totally agree with his decission, some times you need to know your boss that you are the person that do the hard work and need to compensate for that.
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The real heroes of today was the fans. Biggest crowd of the year, just for the qualis, and in that weather!
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It’s stupid running a race just for gate pick. Just my $0.02.
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I’m still speechless that so many decided not to race. If nobody had gone out, or the FIM had deemed the track too dangerous, then that...
I’m still speechless that so many decided not to race. If nobody had gone out, or the FIM had deemed the track too dangerous, then that would be a different story. But these are the best riders in the world and the guys who did race showed just how rideable it was.

The sun was out and there was dust in places. The 125 boys raced the same track during torrential rain yet the top MXGP boys decided to not bother?! If their shit gate pick means they don’t get the start, and ultimately position they are capabable of tomorrow, and I’m a team sponsor then I would not be best pleased.
philG wrote:
Seewer just said on an MX Vice Pod that the problem was that they did zero prep on the start straight , and first turn from...
Seewer just said on an MX Vice Pod that the problem was that they did zero prep on the start straight , and first turn from the MX2 race , and that was dumb.

He cites lack of respect from the organisors , as the reason why they said 'enough' .

I feel differently now i hear this, and a said at the time, the fact they did fuck all to the track was dumb.
I’ve also just listened to the pod. I feel for the boys but I still don’t think it’s a good enough reason to not bother to ride an MXGP quali race. The start straight was all wet/mud. They could have tried their best to prep it and it would still have been a mud bath but perhaps even less predictable with hidden soft spots etc.
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I’ve also just listened to the pod. I feel for the boys but I still don’t think it’s a good enough reason to not bother to...
I’ve also just listened to the pod. I feel for the boys but I still don’t think it’s a good enough reason to not bother to ride an MXGP quali race. The start straight was all wet/mud. They could have tried their best to prep it and it would still have been a mud bath but perhaps even less predictable with hidden soft spots etc.
But i think it was more than that, there was one dry line that everyone would try to hit,, they was carnage in the MX2 race for that reason i think, but they wouldnt even discuss it.

I am amazed that they can prep a start that needs fuck all doing to it for 30 mins , or when the track needs leaving, they dont, but it needed doing and they didnt.

Seewer says (and rightly so) 'they dont fucking care about us' ..

This was the straw that broke the camels back.

It will kick off from here, almost certainly,
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Has happened before , and not much changed. Unless all the riders stand up it won’t his time either

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The reaction of Everts tells enough when Prado explains its was to dangerous and unsafe and they decided not to line up. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/04/553596/s1200_19F3D869_A923_41E6_8C07_B50322A1F59B.jpg[/img]
The reaction of Everts tells enough when Prado explains its was to dangerous and unsafe and they decided not to line up.


Kinda shocked that Stefan is taking the side of Infront here and going against the riders. The mud was not the only problem today - it was about junior Luongo, who once again wanted to play his autocracy, not giving a fuck about riders!

The thing is, since junior Luongo stepped up to the CEO position, a lot of things happened in the background, for the worse. Although I don't like the old Luongo, with him you could at least have somewhat of a two-sided conversation. With the junior it's "my way or the highway", dude is a hard ego-tripper. The conversation on the line today ended somewhere along the lines: "the race is happening, with or without you - if you don't wanna race you're DQ-ed", but the wannabe dictator isn't really on par with the rulebook, which states that a lap in time practice is enough.

This is where some of the riders got really pissed. And for once - it's nice to see that the riders are stepping up together, and having enough of the Luongo bullshit!
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It's a shame hypocritical fans who complain about Infront every other sentence, don't back the riders who are trying to make a point against them...

This started off about mud but quickly turned into attitude and respect, and they didn't ride because of those reasons.
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It's a shame hypocritical fans who complain about Infront every other sentence, don't back the riders who are trying to make a point against them... This...
It's a shame hypocritical fans who complain about Infront every other sentence, don't back the riders who are trying to make a point against them...

This started off about mud but quickly turned into attitude and respect, and they didn't ride because of those reasons.
Agree David

everts is pretty off with his thumbs down in this too. He lead a walk out at one stage
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6/4/2022 4:51pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2022 4:53pm
ayearinmx wrote:
It's a shame hypocritical fans who complain about Infront every other sentence, don't back the riders who are trying to make a point against them... This...
It's a shame hypocritical fans who complain about Infront every other sentence, don't back the riders who are trying to make a point against them...

This started off about mud but quickly turned into attitude and respect, and they didn't ride because of those reasons.
In Spain the track was also dangerous... But I didn't hear Prado there?! In Turkey last year the track was utterly a disgrace nobody was talking, everyone was walking to there bikes to race!! Now you have a track fans like and you gonna protest, maybe, just maybe motocross riders are as dumb as peanut butter... 20 GP's 12 unsafe tracks and THREE the fans love: The French GP's and the German GP, pick that one to protest! GREAT IDEA! Pick the track of the magazine/organizer who picks the riders for the Supercross in Paris... The place they can earn REAL money, not monopoly infront money... Yeah that sounds like a GREAT IDEA!!

Oh and like Josh said: I've seen this in South Africa with Pichon and Everts working together with some other heavy hitters but nothing happened. I've seen this in Mexico where death people's head where lying on the street because the MXGP wasn't really welcome there and by the way the track was dangerous. Everyone was on board besides two or three riders who got booed and by the urban legend some Belgian rider saved his piss to throw at them... But NOTHING HAPPENED.

There is a time and place to say enough is enough but that could've been in Indonesia, that track was a real mud race, it looked more like a rice field then a race track but still everyone raced.

I agree with Guillod. Spain was dangerous nobody did a thing, just to remember Josh Coppins, Jago Geerts crashed there in the first round on a wet spot because they just flooded the track and he got loose on a slippery piece. You know some blue groove with water, great!
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6/4/2022 5:08pm
Top guys shouldn’t be racing for gate pick. Sport is already dangerous enough. If gates were full I could see racing to make the top 40, but not when there’s 20 riders
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6/4/2022 5:25pm
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest. The tracks look like shit and the 22-25 riders on the gate is a major turnoff. They say junior is worst than the father then i series going down hill fast.
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6/4/2022 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2022 5:45pm
Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest...
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest. The tracks look like shit and the 22-25 riders on the gate is a major turnoff. They say junior is worst than the father then i series going down hill fast.
I have also lost some interest, but I think this is rider related. In recent years we have lost Cairoli, Desalle, Paulin, Nagl, Strijbos, Leok, Tonus, De Dycker, Bobryshev, Anstie, Searle, Simpson, Leiber, Even Jasikonis this week may not be seen again. Feels like maybe transitional years!

I don't care so much about 40 rider gates. We see 40 riders in AMA and often 25-40th just get in the way! If MXGP made it less expensive to enter, paid start and/or prize money like golden years, the gate 15-40th could be filled with better riders who only focus on national championship but are good enough for MXGP. Maybe we even see break out rides like from yesteryear.

Also don't agree about tracks, many are what we have seen before so don't see how you can judge those as a negative. Matterley Basin, Maggiora, Newquen, Maggiora, Trentino, Ernee, Agueda, as example! All very good! We have worst to come!!!
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Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest...
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest. The tracks look like shit and the 22-25 riders on the gate is a major turnoff. They say junior is worst than the father then i series going down hill fast.
Turnover is happening, The US series lost RV, Prime Stew, Prime Reed, Canard, and then Dungey within 3 years. GP’s we’re at a peak. Now riders are aging out.

Some tracks do look like shit though.
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6/4/2022 5:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2022 6:02pm
Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest...
I love mxgp I have bought the streaming package for the last 7 or 8 years but i must say this year i have lost interest. The tracks look like shit and the 22-25 riders on the gate is a major turnoff. They say junior is worst than the father then i series going down hill fast.
VanDan wrote:
I have also lost some interest, but I think this is rider related. In recent years we have lost Cairoli, Desalle, Paulin, Nagl, Strijbos, Leok, Tonus...
I have also lost some interest, but I think this is rider related. In recent years we have lost Cairoli, Desalle, Paulin, Nagl, Strijbos, Leok, Tonus, De Dycker, Bobryshev, Anstie, Searle, Simpson, Leiber, Even Jasikonis this week may not be seen again. Feels like maybe transitional years!

I don't care so much about 40 rider gates. We see 40 riders in AMA and often 25-40th just get in the way! If MXGP made it less expensive to enter, paid start and/or prize money like golden years, the gate 15-40th could be filled with better riders who only focus on national championship but are good enough for MXGP. Maybe we even see break out rides like from yesteryear.

Also don't agree about tracks, many are what we have seen before so don't see how you can judge those as a negative. Matterley Basin, Maggiora, Newquen, Maggiora, Trentino, Ernee, Agueda, as example! All very good! We have worst to come!!!
Im not saying all the tracks are shit but last week spain was one and 2 others i cant name. You have a point with 40 riders but damn atleast get 30 riders on the gate so it doesnt look so depleted. As for the riders i have no issues you have some good talent coming up and i as we all know riders have to retire sooner or later.
6/5/2022 1:30am
EMX125 full results

Overall

1/2 = Cas Valk
3/1 = Karlis Reisulis
2/4 = Alexis Fueri
4/3 = Ivano Van Erp
5/9 = Mathis Valin
8/7 = Janis Reisulis
7/8 = Julius Mikula
14/5 = Marc-Antoine Rossi
11/15 = Adrien Petit
22/6 = Tom Brunet

Championship

212 = Cas Valk
180 = Karlis Reisulis
178 = Alexis Fueri
158 = Ivano Van Erp
148 = Janis Reisulis
121 = Marc-Antoine Rossi
108 = Julius Mikula
97 = Elias Escandell
78 = Mathis Valin
77 = Matteo-Luigi Russi
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