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While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of the already small number of rides available. Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide. Most comebacks end up mediocre at best.
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Dungey and Cairolli bring a lot of attention to the brand. Its a great marketing move to have Dungey coming back and Cairolli coming to the US.
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dirtbikemike 5/20/2022 6:43am
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Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
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The only guy I'd rather see on a ktm at the nationals this summer over Dungey or Cairoli is Herlings.
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 5/20/2022 6:51am
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
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TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
This thread won't go well, but if you take a step back and read your post objectively you will probably end up jumping on your own dog pile.
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TalinH112 5/20/2022 7:08am
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TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
GrapeApe wrote:
This thread won't go well, but if you take a step back and read your post objectively you will probably end up jumping on your own...
This thread won't go well, but if you take a step back and read your post objectively you will probably end up jumping on your own dog pile.
Well Grape, I guess you win some and lose some! 😂
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
Bingo. Plenty. Other options,. Donate, start a team for other guys. Etc.
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TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
GrapeApe wrote:
This thread won't go well, but if you take a step back and read your post objectively you will probably end up jumping on your own...
This thread won't go well, but if you take a step back and read your post objectively you will probably end up jumping on your own dog pile.
TalinH112 wrote:
Well Grape, I guess you win some and lose some! 😂
You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take! Smile
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"Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide."

Like who?
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agn5008 5/20/2022 7:15am
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the top 10 greatest ever. But for arguments sake let’s just say they’re both top 20 greatest of all time (I don’t think anyone can even argue against that.)

Why would any factory team pay a privateer who will barely crack the top 15 and offer limited exposure when they can pay 2 of the best ever to go out and be inside the top 10 and will most definitely have the longest autograph lines over the weekends?

If you owned a pizza shop would you want to advertise having “average” pizza or one of the best pizzas ever?

On top of that, name one privateer who will consistently beat Dungey or Cairoli. You can’t because it will not happen unless they have a crash or mechanical. Dungey is a little more unknown at this point because he’s been gone for so long. Cairoli hasn’t been gone long at all and anyone who doubts him hasn’t watched him race much.

The fact is this is the most anticipated round 1 I ever remember and it’s all because of KTM bringing Dungey and Cairoli to the races. This is why people are taking a jab at you and this topic.
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Gordon Liddy 5/20/2022 7:19am
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The crowd is going to go FAWKING APE SH$T hanging over the fences if Dungey is up in the top 10 after the first lap and moving forward passing guys.
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TalinH112 5/20/2022 7:22am
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
agn5008 wrote:
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the...
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the top 10 greatest ever. But for arguments sake let’s just say they’re both top 20 greatest of all time (I don’t think anyone can even argue against that.)

Why would any factory team pay a privateer who will barely crack the top 15 and offer limited exposure when they can pay 2 of the best ever to go out and be inside the top 10 and will most definitely have the longest autograph lines over the weekends?

If you owned a pizza shop would you want to advertise having “average” pizza or one of the best pizzas ever?

On top of that, name one privateer who will consistently beat Dungey or Cairoli. You can’t because it will not happen unless they have a crash or mechanical. Dungey is a little more unknown at this point because he’s been gone for so long. Cairoli hasn’t been gone long at all and anyone who doubts him hasn’t watched him race much.

The fact is this is the most anticipated round 1 I ever remember and it’s all because of KTM bringing Dungey and Cairoli to the races. This is why people are taking a jab at you and this topic.
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not so much emphasis on the past. You’re 100% correct in the hype for this series being predicated on the return of Dunge and AC222, and as I stated I am one in the guys excited about it! Was just a though I had and this goes to show you, don’t type and post everything that comes rolling across your brain. 😂
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TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m...
Yeah that would be great if I had the means. Not sure why I’m being compared to a Factory race program and I literally said I’m excited to see Dunge and Cairoli. But I guess I opened myself up to stupid comments by starting a topic on Vital. 🤷🏻
agn5008 wrote:
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the...
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the top 10 greatest ever. But for arguments sake let’s just say they’re both top 20 greatest of all time (I don’t think anyone can even argue against that.)

Why would any factory team pay a privateer who will barely crack the top 15 and offer limited exposure when they can pay 2 of the best ever to go out and be inside the top 10 and will most definitely have the longest autograph lines over the weekends?

If you owned a pizza shop would you want to advertise having “average” pizza or one of the best pizzas ever?

On top of that, name one privateer who will consistently beat Dungey or Cairoli. You can’t because it will not happen unless they have a crash or mechanical. Dungey is a little more unknown at this point because he’s been gone for so long. Cairoli hasn’t been gone long at all and anyone who doubts him hasn’t watched him race much.

The fact is this is the most anticipated round 1 I ever remember and it’s all because of KTM bringing Dungey and Cairoli to the races. This is why people are taking a jab at you and this topic.
TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not...
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not so much emphasis on the past. You’re 100% correct in the hype for this series being predicated on the return of Dunge and AC222, and as I stated I am one in the guys excited about it! Was just a though I had and this goes to show you, don’t type and post everything that comes rolling across your brain. 😂
Ask yourself, would you pay admission to see ac222 ,dungey or. Cade clason ?
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TalinH112 5/20/2022 7:33am
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agn5008 wrote:
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the...
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the top 10 greatest ever. But for arguments sake let’s just say they’re both top 20 greatest of all time (I don’t think anyone can even argue against that.)

Why would any factory team pay a privateer who will barely crack the top 15 and offer limited exposure when they can pay 2 of the best ever to go out and be inside the top 10 and will most definitely have the longest autograph lines over the weekends?

If you owned a pizza shop would you want to advertise having “average” pizza or one of the best pizzas ever?

On top of that, name one privateer who will consistently beat Dungey or Cairoli. You can’t because it will not happen unless they have a crash or mechanical. Dungey is a little more unknown at this point because he’s been gone for so long. Cairoli hasn’t been gone long at all and anyone who doubts him hasn’t watched him race much.

The fact is this is the most anticipated round 1 I ever remember and it’s all because of KTM bringing Dungey and Cairoli to the races. This is why people are taking a jab at you and this topic.
TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not...
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not so much emphasis on the past. You’re 100% correct in the hype for this series being predicated on the return of Dunge and AC222, and as I stated I am one in the guys excited about it! Was just a though I had and this goes to show you, don’t type and post everything that comes rolling across your brain. 😂
mxb2 wrote:
Ask yourself, would you pay admission to see ac222 ,dungey or. Cade clason ?
Yeah that’s a fair point.
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Dirty Points 5/20/2022 7:36am
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Dunge and Cairoli are both way faster than those "fast guys"
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TalinH112 wrote:
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of...
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of the already small number of rides available. Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide. Most comebacks end up mediocre at best.
What privateer right now would provide better results and better marketing than Ryan Dungey or Antonio Cairoli?
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TalinH112 5/20/2022 8:36am
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TalinH112 wrote:
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of...
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of the already small number of rides available. Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide. Most comebacks end up mediocre at best.
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What privateer right now would provide better results and better marketing than Ryan Dungey or Antonio Cairoli?
I get it, I get it. Haha From KTMs stand point this is the best ROI available by a long shot. It has been made very clear this was a poor topic and I am happy to let it die a slow death. 😂
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CPR 5/20/2022 5:09pm
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[i]"Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who...
"Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide."

Like who?
Yeah you can probably count on one hand the number of true privateers who’ve been given a shot at a factory bike and it’s actually worked out for the team.
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agn5008 wrote:
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the...
Well, it’s kind of a dumb topic. Dungey and Cairoli are two of the most accomplished racers ever. Some people would put them both in the top 10 greatest ever. But for arguments sake let’s just say they’re both top 20 greatest of all time (I don’t think anyone can even argue against that.)

Why would any factory team pay a privateer who will barely crack the top 15 and offer limited exposure when they can pay 2 of the best ever to go out and be inside the top 10 and will most definitely have the longest autograph lines over the weekends?

If you owned a pizza shop would you want to advertise having “average” pizza or one of the best pizzas ever?

On top of that, name one privateer who will consistently beat Dungey or Cairoli. You can’t because it will not happen unless they have a crash or mechanical. Dungey is a little more unknown at this point because he’s been gone for so long. Cairoli hasn’t been gone long at all and anyone who doubts him hasn’t watched him race much.

The fact is this is the most anticipated round 1 I ever remember and it’s all because of KTM bringing Dungey and Cairoli to the races. This is why people are taking a jab at you and this topic.
TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not...
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not so much emphasis on the past. You’re 100% correct in the hype for this series being predicated on the return of Dunge and AC222, and as I stated I am one in the guys excited about it! Was just a though I had and this goes to show you, don’t type and post everything that comes rolling across your brain. 😂
mxb2 wrote:
Ask yourself, would you pay admission to see ac222 ,dungey or. Cade clason ?
Change Cade Clason to Logan Karnow and his sponsors, and it may be a bit more of a toss up...
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First off Weston Pieck did it, so it is possible to go from privateer to podium contender. But he earned it. He wasn’t given a charity ride.

This is going to sound harsh, but These guys need to prove they are worth the effort of a factory ride. There’s reasons why they don’t get factory rides.

For Supercross, Bruce Sternjstrom had a good point in a recent podcast, the teams know every rider that can blitz a whoop section. If you can’t blitz a whoop section properly they don’t want you for Supercross.

In Motocross, if you can’t do 30+2 x 2 at full speed, they don’t want you. Mitch has had tryouts for fill in riders and a lot of privateers dont perform.

They are not fit enough, there is no excuse for being a professional racer and not being able to go the distance. It’s your job to be ready for that opportunity. Be ready.
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TalinH112 wrote:
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not...
Yeah Grape made a good point, I think what I was trying to get at is more investment in the future of the sport and not so much emphasis on the past. You’re 100% correct in the hype for this series being predicated on the return of Dunge and AC222, and as I stated I am one in the guys excited about it! Was just a though I had and this goes to show you, don’t type and post everything that comes rolling across your brain. 😂
mxb2 wrote:
Ask yourself, would you pay admission to see ac222 ,dungey or. Cade clason ?
Sully wrote:
Change Cade Clason to Logan Karnow and his sponsors, and it may be a bit more of a toss up...
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan or cade . Unless its a friend or family member.
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dirtbikemike 5/20/2022 8:24pm
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dirtbikemike wrote:
Maybe you could support some of those fast guys with minimal help.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
its always easier to tell someone how to spend their money
I've been supporting privateers for the last 21 years on my own nickel at AMA Arenacross. Sure, it isn't SX or MX, but we get to the races and do our thing. Not household names and certainly not stars. But the riders that choose to hook up with my privateer program get the opportunity to race with some really fast dudes and I'll get them to every round every year. I'm not telling you how to spend your money, I'm telling you how I spend my money. In fact, I spend every cent of my Social Security check supporting those active privateers.
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I get it, I get it. Haha From KTMs stand point this is the best ROI available by a long shot. It has been made very...
I get it, I get it. Haha From KTMs stand point this is the best ROI available by a long shot. It has been made very clear this was a poor topic and I am happy to let it die a slow death. 😂
It is also what is best for the sport.
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TalinH112 wrote:
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of...
While I do appreciate that Dunge and AC 222 will be gracing the Nationals with their incredible talents this summer, I can’t help but think of the already small number of rides available. Why not give an active privateer a shot at riding a factory bike for the summer? There are some really fast guys with minimal help who could make the next step with the help factory programs can provide. Most comebacks end up mediocre at best.
Huh? One more time….I think I misread you
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Op your first mistake was associating the word “mediocre” with names like Dungey and Cairoli!
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Dirt.Squirt 5/21/2022 12:41am
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Only problem with this is that Cairoli isn’t a comeback by any means. He will be the top KTM group finisher this summer when the dust settles and Dungey will likely be the Second
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mxb2 wrote:
Ask yourself, would you pay admission to see ac222 ,dungey or. Cade clason ?
Sully wrote:
Change Cade Clason to Logan Karnow and his sponsors, and it may be a bit more of a toss up...
mxb2 wrote:
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan...
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan or cade . Unless its a friend or family member.
I think you greatly misunderstood his post.
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Sully wrote:
Change Cade Clason to Logan Karnow and his sponsors, and it may be a bit more of a toss up...
mxb2 wrote:
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan...
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan or cade . Unless its a friend or family member.
agn5008 wrote:
I think you greatly misunderstood his post.
I got the point, and ac222 and dungey deserve the ride before any upcoming privateer. They earned it.
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mxb2 wrote:
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan...
Nope not. Even. Close, people can watch case, logan race local tracks. Not often you can watch legends. No fan is paying $50 to watch logan or cade . Unless its a friend or family member.
agn5008 wrote:
I think you greatly misunderstood his post.
mxb2 wrote:
I got the point, and ac222 and dungey deserve the ride before any upcoming privateer. They earned it.
I agree they do deserve the ride over any other privateer. He was joking around because of the onlyfans girls sponsoring Karnow. I highly doubt he was being serious in any way.
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