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I'll say it again - the risk of losing credibility and trust within the industry is not worth it. Post it, have to answer to the industry while a bunch of plumbers and drywall guys on Vital pick it apart? Doesn't sound like good decision making to me.
Not the way he wanted to start off SX. He did his best to overcome to Epstein Barr, but apparently didn’t feel like it was worth it to keep pushing his body. Hopefully he has it under control, or the nationals are going to be rough.
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Are they designated independent contractors?
Salary - do they get it per race or is it over the entire year (monthly or every other week)
Bonus money - only first - third or different for mid tear - like top 10,,,,,
Do they receive paid health insurance or is the rider responsible for this?
If they are hurt and cannot race - are they still paid by the team or insurance?
What differences are there between top tier riders contracts vs mid tier (so a Webb vs Brayton vs Amart vs ARay.
Again - not their pay - just what is listed in the contract.
I think it would be very interesting and maybe even surprising as what is in some contracts.
I think I heard contracts have injury Clauses, but are almost never implemented.
Win bonuses-
Most bonus structures are either top 5 or top 10 to get a bonus for a race win. Most factory guys will opt for the top 5 structure, since they expect to be in the top 5. Top 10 structures pay less per position. Meaning if you are on a top 5 bonus structure and get 6th, no bonus…
On a top 10 structure, you get paid less for a top 5, than the other guy on a top 5 structure.
I’m not sure about the top 3 structure, but I think RC was on this, possibly others too ?
But the bonuses are bigger obviously.
(Kind of like other sports where athletes took shares of the company, versus being paid) Rob Dyrdek and Kelly Skater come to mind, although I’m sure there are many others too)
As far as medical insurance, I am under the impression that any rider under Factory contract is provided health insurance, but I could be wrong.
I do know that ALL riders while at an AMA race are covered under AMA (or Feld?) while competing.
Also- I’m told that all riders under Factory contracts have to purchase a Lloyds of London (or equivalent) policy to cover them, if they become injured and unable to continue to race. This covers the team for their investment of tge riders salary and also obvious helps the rider if he’s injured and unable to race.
Emig, Pieck come to mind. The stipulation is they can never race professionally again / be paid to race.
I’m not sure about satellite teams, but I’d imagine they cover their asses as much as possible, but depending on how much is being invested
No financial information, no names, why would anyone be upset about it? What does it matter?
You speak about it as though it’s a threat to national security.. its fucking motorcycle racing!
It’s a tight knit industry, you obviously don’t understand this.
Bare in mind we won’t know WHO the rider is, WHAT BIKE they were riding or HOW MUCH they were getting paid. GO!
I've shared stuff on here and within minutes was getting texts from people in the industry advising to take it down, all while getting shit on by the members of Vital because they didn't like the answers/information I gave them.
There's no winning, it's kind of frustrating being relatively in the know and cruising this site.
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So if someone had an actual contract to show, it wouldn’t be too hard to figure out how it got into circulation. Now if an ex-racer wanted to post his old contract up for all to see, then I see no problem with that. My son had a contract with Suzuki for the A class in amateur racing. If I can find it, I’ll post it up for you, but it’s really not what you’re looking for. There no money involved, just his requirements / obligations to fulfill his contract, in order to keep the bikes and sign over the titles. This included what races he had to race, injury clauses, contingency money per race, sponsor obligations for sticker placement of Team Sponsors, rider/ family conduct, podium conduct and any and all interviews/ write-ups, etc
Not sure if that helps you sleep better, but it’s all I got.
You’d be surprised how fast things escalate in this industry. It’s got nothing to do with Kyle being big time, it’s just a very small industry and that’s a reason that you don’t see a lot of people that are currently in the industry post on here (or any other site), although almost every one of them read this stuff. There’s a reason that the term Vitards is used to describe some of the people on this forum.
Any person that has access to the information you seek, and is also dumb enough to post it, is not smart enough to understand the word redact, much less how to carry out a redaction and actually create a post with attachments on Vital.
You don't get the info/answer you like so you attack. And the people who have the information get frustrated and leave. And everyone is left bitter.
Suck it.
Please do explain, hopefully I'm smart enough to understand since I'm just a peasant fan and not an illustrious "insider" to this great industry....
My reply wasn't "I have this info, you don't. HAHA!"
I don't set the rules, I didn't justify whether that was right or wrong, just stating the facts and that someone with that info isn't going to risk their career. This is not mainstream sports - the consequences of spreading gossip and information is very high.
Go back and read how this thread developed. If y'all weren't so insecure and could ask for more info without taking it the wrong way, I bet you'd get farther or at least better understand why you don't have specific information.
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