Tim Gajser and his career.

TbonesPop 4/25/2022 4:36pm
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This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
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chuckie108 wrote:
NO ONE compares to RC. 10 seasons- 10 titles outdoors. 2 of them 24 - 0. 8 seasons of SX, 5 titles. Of the 3 he...
NO ONE compares to RC. 10 seasons- 10 titles outdoors. 2 of them 24 - 0. 8 seasons of SX, 5 titles. Of the 3 he lost- one was from a missed season, and the other 2 were against the greatest SX rider to ever live. The GOAT PERIOD.
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Different series, that’s like comparing Moto GP to WSB.
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I love how the balance of MX power swinging back to Europe over the last 10 years has rewritten MX history in the eyes of Europeans...
I love how the balance of MX power swinging back to Europe over the last 10 years has rewritten MX history in the eyes of Europeans. Not taking anything away from great riders from all over the world, but RC is the GOAT full stop.
Right. Prime RC was dominating AMA Motocross when America was consistently top 3 and usually winning the MXDN. So, he beat the best nation of MX racers for 7 straight years with 2 perfect seasons. Just insane domination.
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tomlopez 4/25/2022 5:41pm
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
Great point. Like how some Stew fans insisted that he was a better SX rider than Villopoto because he sometimes did a big rhythm that RV wouldn't do, completely disregarding the fact that Stewart continuously wrecked every single year trying to run RV's pace.
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Motofinne 4/25/2022 11:27pm
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
I agree except for one thing. Herlings is insanely unlucky and has gotten injured from stuff that has nothing to do with him going over his ability.

The warm up lap crash in Kegums where he got run over and broke his foot but still won the first moto, the photoshoot crash this year that ruined his foot, the 85cc indicent etc.
I think it's a myth that Herlings injuries is a result of him going too fast for his ability like Stew sometimes did. Herlings is just one of the most unlucky riders there has been in top MX.

I'm not excusing Herlings or taking anything away from riders like Gajser (imo the most underrated rider in 2000s).
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ProbablyDave 4/25/2022 11:56pm
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
It's annoying to see people using a rider's fastest lap time to prove that they were the best rider on the night, even though the rider came 10th because they crashed. Or worse, using the results of a DIFFERENT race to prove that they were the best rider on the night. Did this kind of discussion happen back in the day? Did this kind of discussion come up with the likes of Bradshaw? To my memory it only really came about with Stewart.
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Juck 4/26/2022 12:16am
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
No. Herlings and Stewart are two very different cases. Stewart did crash a lot because he rode above the limit, whereas most of Herlings' crashes haven't been because he's been pushing the limit, they've just been mistakes that most other riders would walk off but Herlings gets injured from them. In fact I would say Gajser crashes more than Herlings, it's just that Herlings is made of gingerbread. Herlings doesn't need to ride above his head because over the course of a series he is by far the fastest guy and when healthy is pretty much unbeatable. None of his recent crashes have been from pushing too hard (Faenza practice, Kegums sight lap, photoshoot, landed on at Oss, probably more I'm forgetting)

With all due respect, this comment comes across to me as if you don't follow the GPs very much.
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
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No. Herlings and Stewart are two very different cases. Stewart did crash a lot because he rode above the limit, whereas most of Herlings' crashes haven't...
No. Herlings and Stewart are two very different cases. Stewart did crash a lot because he rode above the limit, whereas most of Herlings' crashes haven't been because he's been pushing the limit, they've just been mistakes that most other riders would walk off but Herlings gets injured from them. In fact I would say Gajser crashes more than Herlings, it's just that Herlings is made of gingerbread. Herlings doesn't need to ride above his head because over the course of a series he is by far the fastest guy and when healthy is pretty much unbeatable. None of his recent crashes have been from pushing too hard (Faenza practice, Kegums sight lap, photoshoot, landed on at Oss, probably more I'm forgetting)

With all due respect, this comment comes across to me as if you don't follow the GPs very much.
Trentino last year.....huge crashes...didn/t you watch it??
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TbonesPop wrote:
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight...
This internet sword fight in support of Herlings strongly resembles the old James Stewart discussions where Stew fans claimed he was never beaten or passed "straight up", which was completely fucking ridiculous at the time. Herlings is amazing, and I love watching him ride. I'm a fan. Same for Tiga, I'm a huge fan. But the point is, if Tiga (or another rider) makes Herlings work so hard or go so fast that he crashes out of a series due to injury, then Herlings went beyond his ability by trying to win. It all counts, and if Herlings can't line up, he can't be the fastest. Same can be said for any rider. Got to be in it to win it.
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No. Herlings and Stewart are two very different cases. Stewart did crash a lot because he rode above the limit, whereas most of Herlings' crashes haven't...
No. Herlings and Stewart are two very different cases. Stewart did crash a lot because he rode above the limit, whereas most of Herlings' crashes haven't been because he's been pushing the limit, they've just been mistakes that most other riders would walk off but Herlings gets injured from them. In fact I would say Gajser crashes more than Herlings, it's just that Herlings is made of gingerbread. Herlings doesn't need to ride above his head because over the course of a series he is by far the fastest guy and when healthy is pretty much unbeatable. None of his recent crashes have been from pushing too hard (Faenza practice, Kegums sight lap, photoshoot, landed on at Oss, probably more I'm forgetting)

With all due respect, this comment comes across to me as if you don't follow the GPs very much.
greg570 wrote:
Trentino last year.....huge crashes...didn/t you watch it??
Wouldn't call his swap out a huge crash but his overjump did seem like he was pushing too hard. I didn't include it because he didn't get injured. Herlings was lucky not to get injured there, but only because he's Herlings. If Gajser had that exact same crash I'd say there's about a 1 in 1000 chance he gets injured there.
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A healthy Herlings is just a faster rider end off and all the down thumbs in the world isn’t going to change that. Genetics ( injury prone or not injury prone) has fudged the stats. The big bonus is the Gasjer is a nice guy and deserves whatever success comes his way. He’s had his fair share of tragedy so let’s hope it’s all good for him from now on and hope he wins many more titles.
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If you wanna know who's the best you need to take your time and put it in %. I've done this for Stefan Everts, you see that he's only been 36 races injured in a very lengthy career. If you count all races 266 and 101 wins he won 37,97% GP's. Only looking at the races he really entered his stat is 43,91%.

All GP's from 1989 - 2006 (+ Wildcards): 266
GP Races (participated): 230
GP Races (won): 101
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mxxxeR1 4/26/2022 7:08pm
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Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
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kaidodragon wrote:
Made the same stuff only for 450 : Tim Gajser Raced 7 seasons (counting 2022) Raced 114 Prix 3 titles 33 GP wins 79 GP podiums...
Made the same stuff only for 450 :

Tim Gajser

Raced 7 seasons (counting 2022)
Raced 114 Prix
3 titles
33 GP wins
79 GP podiums
87 race wins
4 406 points scored

Jeffrey Herlings

Raced 5 seasons
Raced 66 Grand Prix
2 world titles
38 GP wins
51 GP podiums
89 race wins
2 748 points scored

Antonio Cairoli

Raced 15 seasons
Raced 208 Grand Prix
7 world titles
70 GP wins
137 GP podiums
183 race wins
8 114 points scored

Jorge Prado Garcia

Raced 3 seasons
Raced 38 Grand Prix
0 world titles
5 GP wins
18 GP podiums
11 race wins
1 258 points scored

Romain Febvre

Raced 7 seasons
Raced 116 Grand Prix
1 world title
14 GP wins
48 GP podiums
44 race wins
4 021 points scored

Jeremy Seewer

Raced 5 seasons
Raced 80 Grand Prix
0 world title
2 GP wins
15 GP podiums
4 race wins
2 420 points scored

Gautier Paulin
Raced 10 seasons
Raced 147 Grand Prix
0 world titles
9 GP wins
41 GP podiums
23 race wins
4 550 points scored

Clement Desalle

Raced 15 seasons
Raced 218 Grand Prix
0 world titles
23 GP wins
81 GP podiums
49 race wins
6 328 points scored

Glenn Coldenhoff

Raced 8 seasons
Raced 129 Grand Prix
0 world titles
4 GP wins
15 GP podiums
9 race wins
3 316 points scored

Jeremy Van Horebeek

Raced 10 seasons
Raced 164 Grand Prix
0 world titles
1 GP wins
19 GP podiums
3 race wins
4 041 points scored

Pauls Jonass

Raced 4 seasons
Raced 41 Grand Prix
0 world title
0 GP wins
5 GP podiums
0 race wins
995 points scored

Alessandro Lupino

Raced 9 seasons
Raced 112 Grand Prix
0 world title
0 GP wins
0 GP podiums
0 race wins
Scored 1 360 points
This one is better considering almost half of Jeffrey’s wins are 250 wins.
kaidodragon 4/26/2022 11:08pm
4/26/2022 11:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/26/2022 11:21pm
Here is another way to look at it :

450 season races

15 = Antonio Cairoli
15 = Clement Desalle
10 = Gautier Paulin
10 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
8 = Glenn Coldenhoff
7 = Tim Gajser
7 = Romain Febvre
5 = Jeffrey Herlings
5 = Jeremy Seewer
4 = Pauls Jonass
3 = Jorge Prado Garcia

Grand Prix raced

218 = Clement Desalle (14.5/season)
208 = Antonio Cairoli (13.9/season)
164 = Jeremy Van Horebeek (16.4/season)
147 = Gautier Paulin (14.7/season)
129 = Glenn Coldenhoff (16.1/season)
116 = Romain Febvre (16.6/season)
114 = Tim Gajser (16.2/season)
80 = Jeremy Seewer (16/season)
66 = Jeffrey Herlings (13/season)
41 = Pauls Jonass (10/season)
38 = Jorge Prado Garcia (12.6/season)

World titles

7 = Antonio Cairoli
3 = Tim Gajser
2 = Jeffrey Herlings
1 = Romain Febvre

GP wins (%GP entered ans won)

70 = Antonio Cairoli (33%)
38 = Jeffrey Herlings (57%)
33 = Tim Gajser (29%)
23 = Clement Desalle (10%)
14 = Romain Febvre (12%)
9 = Gautier Paulin (6%)
5 = Jorge Prado Garcia (13%)
4 = Glenn Coldenhoff (3%)
2 = Jeremy Seewer (2.5%)
1 = Jeremy Van Horebeek (0.6%)

GP podiums (% podium/GP raced)

137 = Antonio Cairoli (66%)
81 = Clement Desalle (37%)
79 = Tim Gajser (69%)
51 = Jeffrey Herlings (77%)
48 = Romain Febvre (41%)
41 = Gautier Paulin (28%)
19 = Jeremy Van Horebeek (11%)
18 = Jorge Prado Garcia (47%)
15 = Jeremy Seewer (19%)
15 = Glenn Coldenhoff (12%)
5 = Pauls Jonass (12%)

Race wins

183 = Antonio Cairoli
89 = Jeffrey Herlings
87 = Tim Gajser
49 = Clement Desalle
44 = Romain Febvre
23 = Gautier Paulin
11 = Jorge Prado Garcia
9 = Glenn Coldenhoff
4 = Jeremy Seewer
3 = Jeremy Van Horebeek

Points scored (average per seasons)

8 114 = Antonio Cairoli (541)
6 328 = Clement Desalle (422)
4 550 = Gautier Paulin (455)
4 406 = Tim Gajser (629)
4 041 = Jeremy Van Horebeek (404)
4 021 = Romain Febvre (574)
3 316 = Glenn Coldenhoff (414)
2 748 = Jeffrey Herlings (550)
2 420 = Jeremy Seewer (484)
1 258 = Jorge Prado Garcia (419)
995 = Pauls Jonass (249)
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three...
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
He once won all three classes in a day in 2003…
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three...
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
Yeah, so? That were the rules back then. In the early 90s you had to be consistent for three motos to win a GP...
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three...
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
Everts also won 75 250/450 races and raced often times in much shorter seasons.
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MXMattii 4/27/2022 10:04am
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three...
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
Everts raced seasons with 12 to 16 GPs, now they are racing 20 GPs... but don't let me bring hard facts into this discussion 🤣
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three...
Everts also won a lot of gps when a gp was one race.....then He also drove a time in two classes and 1x in three ... that’s why He wone so muche gps.....
MXMattii wrote:
Everts raced seasons with 12 to 16 GPs, now they are racing 20 GPs... but don't let me bring hard facts into this discussion 🤣
Yes that’s right..... you can’t really compare riders from different times.....I’ve been Lucky enough to see Everts en herlings racing very often in reale life.....but I have herlings stuff see do that are really unique example his second race on a 250 in Halle He was 14 that was a onk those were real mine gps then ... roczen was there then too and he won that race.......
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