#5: MXGP of Trentino - April 9-10

4/10/2022 9:15am
Watson with a 6th in the 2nd moto. not too bad. Tiga with a one one day.
He was lucky it was on a track that was near impossible to pass on.
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4/10/2022 9:37am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2022 9:38am
Boomslang wrote:
What happened to Vlaanderen?
He crashed out of 7th with 4 laps to go.
4/10/2022 9:58am
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What happened to Vlaanderen?
Elliot wrote:
He crashed out of 7th with 4 laps to go.
Thanks Elliot, been on the sofa watching SX, F1, SBK and now MotoGp with MXGP live timing on the side. Saw Calvin drop from 7th and knew it was either a crash or a mechanical. Jake Dixon having a awesome race so far. Hope you are well mate.
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4/10/2022 10:49am
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4/10/2022 12:21pm
Whole sunday fastest laps of races

EMXOPEN race 2

1.50.614 = Michael Sandner
1.51.057 = Guiseppet Tropepe
1.51.512 = Tomas Kohut
1.51.528 = Simone Croci
1.52.305 = Simon Jost
1.52.362 = Dušan Drdaj
1.52.490 = Sven Van Der Mierden
1.52.599 = Bence Pergel
1.53.091 = Michael Ivanov
1.54.070 = Jens Getteman

EMX125 race 2

1.54.487 = Alexis Fueri
1.54.613 = Karlis Reisulis
1.55.216 = Julius Mikula
1.55.296 = Ivano Van Erp
1.55.436 = Janis Reisulis
1.55.527 = Vitezslav Marek
1.55.673 = Matteo-Luigi Russi
1.56.030 = Patrick Busatto
1.56.041 = Cas Valk
1.56.149 = Marc-Antoine Rossi

MX2 race 1

1.48.741 = Jago Geerts
1.48.863 = Tom Vialle
1.49.117 = Andrea Adamo
1.49.131 = Mikkel Haarup
1.49.416 = Isak Gifting
1.49.618 = Mattia Guadagnini
1.49.666 = Kevin Horgmo
1.49.868 = Stephen Rubini
1.49.895 = Kay De Wolf
1.50.038 = Thibault Benistant

MXGP race 1

1.47.353 = Tim Gajser
1.47.479 = Glenn Coldenhoff
1.47.746 = Brian Bogers
1.47.853 = Jorge Prado Garcia
1.48.005 = Alberto Forato
1.48.291 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
1.48.444 = Jeremy Seewer
1.48.680 = Maxime Renaux
1.48.798 = Calvin Vlaanderen
1.48.809 = Brent Van Doninck

MX2 race 2

1.48.622 = Mikkel Haarup
1.49.404 = Mattia Guadagnini
1.49.442 = Kevin Horgmo
1.49.592 = Tom Vialle
1.49.604 = Kay De Wolf
1.50.058 = Jago Geerts
1.50.322 = Thibault Benistant
1.50.600 = Hakon Fredriksen
1.50.648 = Stephen Rubini
1.50.713 = Isak Gifting

MXGP race 2

1.47.436 = Alberto Forato
1.47.455 = Tim Gajser
1.47.675 = Jorge Prado Garcia
1.48.118 = Maxime Renaux
1.48.140 = Brian Bogers
1.48.412 = Ben Watson
1.48.450 = Jeremy Seewer
1.48.511 = Calvin Vlaanderen
1.48.634 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
1.48.731 = Ruben Fernandez
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4/10/2022 12:26pm
He was lucky it was on a track that was near impossible to pass on.
He was on the pace, got passed by Forato and Bogers and nobody else was close enough to put a move on him.

Well deserved, first time he got a start and rode forward on the first lap.

He was sat in behind Prado for the opening laps, hardly lucky.
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4/10/2022 1:34pm
philG wrote:
He was on the pace, got passed by Forato and Bogers and nobody else was close enough to put a move on him. Well deserved, first...
He was on the pace, got passed by Forato and Bogers and nobody else was close enough to put a move on him.

Well deserved, first time he got a start and rode forward on the first lap.

He was sat in behind Prado for the opening laps, hardly lucky.
I didn’t see him moving forward in the 1st race. The races I see this weekend looked a lot like follow the leader.
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philG wrote:
He was on the pace, got passed by Forato and Bogers and nobody else was close enough to put a move on him. Well deserved, first...
He was on the pace, got passed by Forato and Bogers and nobody else was close enough to put a move on him.

Well deserved, first time he got a start and rode forward on the first lap.

He was sat in behind Prado for the opening laps, hardly lucky.
I didn’t see him moving forward in the 1st race. The races I see this weekend looked a lot like follow the leader.
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end.

Were you even watching. ?

It was no harder to pass than the overwatered rut-fests we used to get at most tracks.
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4/10/2022 5:35pm
Elliot wrote:
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That track would be amazing to ride. wow
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4/10/2022 10:43pm
philG wrote:
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end. Were you even watching. ? It...
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end.

Were you even watching. ?

It was no harder to pass than the overwatered rut-fests we used to get at most tracks.
So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
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4/10/2022 10:48pm
philG wrote:
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end. Were you even watching. ? It...
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end.

Were you even watching. ?

It was no harder to pass than the overwatered rut-fests we used to get at most tracks.
So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
no no no bro you don't get it he got 6th in one of the trentino races last year that means he deserves a factory ride for the rest of his career because he is good and definitely not just because he's british - Lewis Phillips, probably

(I'm a fan btw but come on)
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4/11/2022 12:02am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 12:14am
philG wrote:
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end. Were you even watching. ? It...
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end.

Were you even watching. ?

It was no harder to pass than the overwatered rut-fests we used to get at most tracks.
So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
How was he piss poor last year? He finished 11th in his rookie season. That's not piss poor. He's been bad this year but that only makes his 6th in race 2 more impressive.

He's put himself under too much pressure and lost confidence being the only rider on a big factory team. If & when when Febvre returns the heat will be off and he'll do better I reckon.



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Watson will not have a factory in coming years.

His been well off the pace in general.
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4/11/2022 12:41am
"he has a lot of pressure now Febvre is injured"
"He had limited time to get used to the bike"
"He has been bad which makes this 6th position even more impressive"

Long story short: if he keeps riding like this, he will be out of a factory ride after this year.
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4/11/2022 12:58am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 12:59am
philG wrote:
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end. Were you even watching. ? It...
He was last by 20 seconds after a crash and got to within a second of Jonass at the end.

Were you even watching. ?

It was no harder to pass than the overwatered rut-fests we used to get at most tracks.
So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
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How was he piss poor last year? He finished 11th in his rookie season. That's not piss poor. He's been bad this year but that only...
How was he piss poor last year? He finished 11th in his rookie season. That's not piss poor. He's been bad this year but that only makes his 6th in race 2 more impressive.

He's put himself under too much pressure and lost confidence being the only rider on a big factory team. If & when when Febvre returns the heat will be off and he'll do better I reckon.



That is such a shitty excuse though. Look at it this way, he is the only rider on a top level factory team with 100% of the teams resources in his hands and can't do better. Sure there is pressure but everyone is under pressure, that is something you have to manage.
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4/11/2022 1:12am
So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
Elliot wrote:
How was he piss poor last year? He finished 11th in his rookie season. That's not piss poor. He's been bad this year but that only...
How was he piss poor last year? He finished 11th in his rookie season. That's not piss poor. He's been bad this year but that only makes his 6th in race 2 more impressive.

He's put himself under too much pressure and lost confidence being the only rider on a big factory team. If & when when Febvre returns the heat will be off and he'll do better I reckon.



Motofinne wrote:
That is such a shitty excuse though. Look at it this way, he is the only rider on a top level factory team with 100% of...
That is such a shitty excuse though. Look at it this way, he is the only rider on a top level factory team with 100% of the teams resources in his hands and can't do better. Sure there is pressure but everyone is under pressure, that is something you have to manage.
I agree, he's not managing the pressure, just like I said.
4/11/2022 1:32am
If my memory serves me right, Watson got a decent start in the qualifying race in Argentina. He went backwards. I remember people were singing his praises when he gave Herlings a run at one of the British rounds last year. Once the GP’s started, the only time Watson see Herlings is when he was in the paddock.
4/11/2022 2:29am
If my memory serves me right, Watson got a decent start in the qualifying race in Argentina. He went backwards. I remember people were singing his...
If my memory serves me right, Watson got a decent start in the qualifying race in Argentina. He went backwards. I remember people were singing his praises when he gave Herlings a run at one of the British rounds last year. Once the GP’s started, the only time Watson see Herlings is when he was in the paddock.
Clearly you’re not a fan of 919.

I suggest you listen to post race pod that MxVice Lewis did with him.
Been some health problems, been some bike and team teething problems taken it’s time to get going. Sometimes personalities don’t gel straight away.

In regards to Lewis being biased, you’re damn right and so he should. He’s British based media and Bens the last in a long line of talent we’ve had in the MXGP scene. As far as it goes give it 3-4 years time guys like Jeffrey, Tim, Glenn and Romain are likely not going to be around so there shouldn’t be an issue with promoting younger guys.

Does Ben deserve to be a no.1 seat at Factory Kawasaki, probably not right now no, but without Romain he’s been forced into that pressure and placing maybe too soon.
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If my memory serves me right, Watson got a decent start in the qualifying race in Argentina. He went backwards. I remember people were singing his...
If my memory serves me right, Watson got a decent start in the qualifying race in Argentina. He went backwards. I remember people were singing his praises when he gave Herlings a run at one of the British rounds last year. Once the GP’s started, the only time Watson see Herlings is when he was in the paddock.
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Clearly you’re not a fan of 919. I suggest you listen to post race pod that MxVice Lewis did with him. Been some health problems, been...
Clearly you’re not a fan of 919.

I suggest you listen to post race pod that MxVice Lewis did with him.
Been some health problems, been some bike and team teething problems taken it’s time to get going. Sometimes personalities don’t gel straight away.

In regards to Lewis being biased, you’re damn right and so he should. He’s British based media and Bens the last in a long line of talent we’ve had in the MXGP scene. As far as it goes give it 3-4 years time guys like Jeffrey, Tim, Glenn and Romain are likely not going to be around so there shouldn’t be an issue with promoting younger guys.

Does Ben deserve to be a no.1 seat at Factory Kawasaki, probably not right now no, but without Romain he’s been forced into that pressure and placing maybe too soon.
Agree with everything you said.

Britain has no one coming through the ranks which is pretty tragic. Whenever Ben is done with MXGP, even if it's in five years or more, there will be no British riders out there.

If you're not 100% you're going to struggle in MXGP. Look at Beaton. Great opening round, small shoulder injury soon after and he's back in the pack.

Whether Watson is overrated or not, he's all we have.

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4/11/2022 3:42am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 3:43am
Lewis should definitely not be biased towards Watson or any Brit because of some patriotic reason, he should do everything he can to be as objective as he can. MX Vice has grown to what it is (world wide audience, number one English speaking outlet for the GPs) because of hard work and honest reporting. Not because they've been hyping underperforming British riders.



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4/11/2022 3:53am
Motofinne wrote:
Lewis should definitely not be biased towards Watson or any Brit because of some patriotic reason, he should do everything he can to be as objective...
Lewis should definitely not be biased towards Watson or any Brit because of some patriotic reason, he should do everything he can to be as objective as he can. MX Vice has grown to what it is (world wide audience, number one English speaking outlet for the GPs) because of hard work and honest reporting. Not because they've been hyping underperforming British riders.



Maybe biased is the wrong word, more passionate. Can tell how much he loves Seewer, Prado, Beaton too not just Watson just by listening to MxVice Show
4/11/2022 4:27am
Guess I should jump in… I have no bias towards anything British. It means nothing to me.

Did I think Ben that did enough to deserve a shot at a second seat (not the first) on a factory team? Yeah, but also because I felt that these teams needed to start investing in the future. It would have been good for that Kawasaki seat to go to either Vlaanderen or Watson, either or (Vlaanderen actually bowed out before it goes decided).

Those flashes of brilliance that Ben had last year got him to where he is now. I know that a manufacturer even said that Olsen needed to show what Watson did in his rookie year to establish himself more, and Olsen even admitted that when I interviewed him in Argentina.

It has been a rough start for Ben, I don’t think I ever said that it hadn’t been, and he needs to start proving himself again over the next 15 rounds or whatever. I think that the interview with him shows that we should expect improvement in a few weeks. Heck, that interview answers everything.

Yeah, I really don’t care who is British. Give it a couple of years and Britain will be struggling to qualify for the A-Final at the MXoN anyway
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4/11/2022 4:57am
Let's see analyze Ben's results this year :

ROUND 1 MATTERLEY BASIN

Time Practice :
19th place (Ben 2.24.203 / 2.17.321 Gajser)
Qualifying race :
19th (1min31 from the leader, 6 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
11th (39sec from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
13th (59sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 2 MANTOVA

Time practice :
19th place (Ben 1.54.318 / 1.51.375 Prado)
Qualifying race
15th (44sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
16th (1min10 from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
11th (48sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 3 NEUQUEN

Time practice :
13th place (Ben 1.41.789 / 1.39.911 Gajser)
Qualifying race :
14th (45sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
14th (1min25 from the leader, 4 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
10th (49sec from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 4 AGUEDA

Time practice
18th place (Ben 1.45.879 / 1.43.401 Fernandez)
Qualifying race
12th (38sec from the leader, 1-2 second a lap slower)
Race 1
12th (39sec from the leader, 1.5 second a slower)
Race 2
17th (1min22 from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 5 TRENTINO

Time practice
15th place (Ben 1.44.787 / 1.43.114 Forato)
Qualifying race
17th (57sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
18th (1min17 from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
6th (14 seconds from the leader, 1 second a lap slower)


I think it is fair to say that he doesn't deserve a factory rider for now. He could reverse the tendancy though...
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4/11/2022 5:02am
Let's see analyze Ben's results this year : ROUND 1 MATTERLEY BASIN Time Practice : 19th place (Ben 2.24.203 / 2.17.321 Gajser) Qualifying race : 19th...
Let's see analyze Ben's results this year :

ROUND 1 MATTERLEY BASIN

Time Practice :
19th place (Ben 2.24.203 / 2.17.321 Gajser)
Qualifying race :
19th (1min31 from the leader, 6 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
11th (39sec from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
13th (59sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 2 MANTOVA

Time practice :
19th place (Ben 1.54.318 / 1.51.375 Prado)
Qualifying race
15th (44sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
16th (1min10 from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
11th (48sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 3 NEUQUEN

Time practice :
13th place (Ben 1.41.789 / 1.39.911 Gajser)
Qualifying race :
14th (45sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
14th (1min25 from the leader, 4 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
10th (49sec from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 4 AGUEDA

Time practice
18th place (Ben 1.45.879 / 1.43.401 Fernandez)
Qualifying race
12th (38sec from the leader, 1-2 second a lap slower)
Race 1
12th (39sec from the leader, 1.5 second a slower)
Race 2
17th (1min22 from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)

ROUND 5 TRENTINO

Time practice
15th place (Ben 1.44.787 / 1.43.114 Forato)
Qualifying race
17th (57sec from the leader, 3 seconds a lap slower)
Race 1
18th (1min17 from the leader, 2 seconds a lap slower)
Race 2
6th (14 seconds from the leader, 1 second a lap slower)


I think it is fair to say that he doesn't deserve a factory rider for now. He could reverse the tendancy though...
His results this far have been awful yes, nobody is denying that. Also that’s literally what he explained with shit going on with his body, getting things going with the team. The second moto last weekend was just an insight into what he’s capable of. His results will improve the more healthy he gets.
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So what’s your excuse for Waton’s piss poor performance this year? Oh and last year? Watson is well overrated in my book.
Brand new team with a brand new bike, main rider busts his leg at SX and its all on a guy that has spent the last 4 seasons in a 3 rider team.

Is that the guy that won MX1 at the Nations last year and has 2 nations podiums.?

Your book isnt up to much is it.

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4/11/2022 11:12am
Motofinne wrote:
Lewis should definitely not be biased towards Watson or any Brit because of some patriotic reason, he should do everything he can to be as objective...
Lewis should definitely not be biased towards Watson or any Brit because of some patriotic reason, he should do everything he can to be as objective as he can. MX Vice has grown to what it is (world wide audience, number one English speaking outlet for the GPs) because of hard work and honest reporting. Not because they've been hyping underperforming British riders.



Philips has pretty big biases when listening to his podcasts. It’s ridiculous at times and he almost comes off as fanboyish. He’s good with Wheeler in the Racer X GP podcast but Wheeler is is the undisputed best in the business you could put anyone next to him and it would work.
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Which factory rider had the same or worse results as Watson and got a new factory ride after his contract ended? Excluding the guys like Monticelli who brought money to the team.
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Rock Elzinga did pretty well!
Yeah he looked good. His starts helped a lot, but showed top 10-ish speed all weekend.
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Which factory rider had the same or worse results as Watson and got a new factory ride after his contract ended? Excluding the guys like Monticelli...
Which factory rider had the same or worse results as Watson and got a new factory ride after his contract ended? Excluding the guys like Monticelli who brought money to the team.
3 weeks ago you could have been saying the same about Coldenhoff.

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roninho wrote:
Which factory rider had the same or worse results as Watson and got a new factory ride after his contract ended? Excluding the guys like Monticelli...
Which factory rider had the same or worse results as Watson and got a new factory ride after his contract ended? Excluding the guys like Monticelli who brought money to the team.
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3 weeks ago you could have been saying the same about Coldenhoff.

yeah, i don't think Yamaha would have signed Coldenhoff for that big contract would they have known they would get no wins in close to 1,5 season.

But how does that make Watsons situation any different? How does Coldenhoff not performing up to his contract make Watson's (lack of) results warrant a factory contract?

(and then i'm even forgetting the part where Coldenhoffs results are for sure still factory ride results, just not matching his big salary).
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