The Ukraine is in a tight spot

ToolMaker 3/8/2022 6:52am
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Muttly wrote:
What are the Ukraine’s Natural Resources? There’s got to be more to this. Why are/were Trump, Biden, et al; so busy meddling in the Ukraine’s affairs...
What are the Ukraine’s Natural Resources? There’s got to be more to this.

Why are/were Trump, Biden, et al; so busy meddling in the Ukraine’s affairs? I understand the location deal, but there’s more to it. American politicians are known for meddling in the Worlds affairs.

Let’s take Iraq for instance. How did Saddam become a brutal dictator? The US propped him and his government up. How’d that work out for us?

Iran and the Shaw, same same.

Manuel Noriega?

Mujaheddin/Taliban?

I could go on and on.

“There’s a Clean Up on aisle three”.
Google Budapest Memorandum. We committed to protecting Ukraine along with the UK and Russia in exchange for them to give up their nukes. 93,94ish under Pres. Clinton.
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MotoTribology 3/8/2022 6:54am
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tuggy450 wrote:
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding...
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding Kyiv be handed over.

"We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said.

On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."

He added: "We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.
Oh is that all? Huh
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U.S. manipulating and corrupting Ukraine for the financial, political and criminal benefit of lefties, rinos Biden and hunter are at the top of the list [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/03/07/537053/s1200_u_usa.jpg[/img]
U.S. manipulating and corrupting Ukraine for the financial, political and criminal benefit of lefties, rinos

Biden and hunter are at the top of the list


tuggy450 wrote:
Now we know why Kamala is sent for a diplomatic mission. They were planning this for years. Pump weapons into Ukraine, oh yeah we got your...
Now we know why Kamala is sent for a diplomatic mission. They were planning this for years. Pump weapons into Ukraine, oh yeah we got your back stuff, Nato is here for you,

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Wait a minute. Didn't Kamala say she's never been to Europe? Will she even know where to go or where she is when she gets there...
Wait a minute. Didn't Kamala say she's never been to Europe? Will she even know where to go or where she is when she gets there? LOL
Don’t think I’m defending her, can’t stand that DFC, but I’m alarmed by the amount of people who’ve never left the Country. They may have been to three or four neighboring states.

Me? I’ve been to 40 of our 50 States, my country count is 19, and I’ve stood on five of the seven continents.
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ToolMaker 3/8/2022 7:00am
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tuggy450 wrote:
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding...
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding Kyiv be handed over.

"We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said.

On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."

He added: "We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.
Sure, maybe Ukrain should even say thank you to Russia for showing them the right way to think.
If Russia stopped fighting there would be peace between Russia and Ukrain. If Ukraine stopped fighting there would be no more Ukraine. This is a tough train to stop and I'm not sure we're seeing it even slow down.
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ToolMaker 3/8/2022 7:04am
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tuggy450 wrote:
Now we know why Kamala is sent for a diplomatic mission. They were planning this for years. Pump weapons into Ukraine, oh yeah we got your...
Now we know why Kamala is sent for a diplomatic mission. They were planning this for years. Pump weapons into Ukraine, oh yeah we got your back stuff, Nato is here for you,

I would like to thank my sponsors Boeing, monster energy stocks, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Dept of defense, Lockheed Martin, General dynamics.

For those paying attention not only are some of those my stock picks but many were big donors to the clowns in the above picture.
ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute. Didn't Kamala say she's never been to Europe? Will she even know where to go or where she is when she gets there...
Wait a minute. Didn't Kamala say she's never been to Europe? Will she even know where to go or where she is when she gets there? LOL
Muttly wrote:
Don’t think I’m defending her, can’t stand that DFC, but I’m alarmed by the amount of people who’ve never left the Country. They may have been...
Don’t think I’m defending her, can’t stand that DFC, but I’m alarmed by the amount of people who’ve never left the Country. They may have been to three or four neighboring states.

Me? I’ve been to 40 of our 50 States, my country count is 19, and I’ve stood on five of the seven continents.
We are talking about a Vice Pres here. That used an ignorance of travel to deflect an unwanted question.
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Muttly 3/8/2022 7:04am
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Muttly wrote:
What are the Ukraine’s Natural Resources? There’s got to be more to this. Why are/were Trump, Biden, et al; so busy meddling in the Ukraine’s affairs...
What are the Ukraine’s Natural Resources? There’s got to be more to this.

Why are/were Trump, Biden, et al; so busy meddling in the Ukraine’s affairs? I understand the location deal, but there’s more to it. American politicians are known for meddling in the Worlds affairs.

Let’s take Iraq for instance. How did Saddam become a brutal dictator? The US propped him and his government up. How’d that work out for us?

Iran and the Shaw, same same.

Manuel Noriega?

Mujaheddin/Taliban?

I could go on and on.

“There’s a Clean Up on aisle three”.
ToolMaker wrote:
Google Budapest Memorandum. We committed to protecting Ukraine along with the UK and Russia in exchange for them to give up their nukes. 93,94ish under Pres...
Google Budapest Memorandum. We committed to protecting Ukraine along with the UK and Russia in exchange for them to give up their nukes. 93,94ish under Pres. Clinton.
Yes Sir, but we’ve been meddling in their affairs, long before Putin threatened to invade.

Going to read it now.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes...
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes the situation is tense in Europe, but we don’t have a threat at the moment from Russia . Joining Nato would just be poking a bear that is already angry.

Probably most of the people who want’s to join are women because for them it would feel safer to be a Nato country, and they don’t have to be cannon meat at the frontline.
Yes if we join Nato now we will be sure there will be in war, and also everything is going to be crazy expensive in finland and the whole contry will be poor fast. I mean 97% of our oil comes from russia 100% of our nataural gasses and also a lot of firewood belive it or not.
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We are talking about a Vice Pres here. That used an ignorance of travel to deflect an unwanted question.
I’m certainly not saying she’s qualified for the position. Drinking my coffee and having conversation.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes...
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes the situation is tense in Europe, but we don’t have a threat at the moment from Russia . Joining Nato would just be poking a bear that is already angry.

Probably most of the people who want’s to join are women because for them it would feel safer to be a Nato country, and they don’t have to be cannon meat at the frontline.
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Maybe because they believe that if Putin tried the same thing there, they would have the weight and force of the US and EU Forces to...
Maybe because they believe that if Putin tried the same thing there, they would have the weight and force of the US and EU Forces to support them, which the Ukraine badly wishes it had now?
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Yes sure it’s a security. But then you have to think if we don’t join Nato the chances of a war are almost zero, if we...
Yes sure it’s a security. But then you have to think if we don’t join Nato the chances of a war are almost zero, if we join Nato the chances of war is 99%. If we wouldn’t be Russias neighbour i would 100% vote for Nato. But it’s too big of a threat for Putin having a US Nato base here.
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance policy.

You have insurance proactively in case something happens or you get a disease that you need to fight. The policy then pays for treatment to try to fight the disease or repair your injuries. If you wait until your leg is broken in order to buy your insurance policy, then you are phukt at best.

If you think that there is 0% chance that Russia would set its eyes on Finland, then I can understand not wanting to entertain joining NATO. But at the same time, don't expect that option to be there when the troops start amassing along the Finnish/Russian border......
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flarider 3/8/2022 7:32am
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I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance...
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance policy.

You have insurance proactively in case something happens or you get a disease that you need to fight. The policy then pays for treatment to try to fight the disease or repair your injuries. If you wait until your leg is broken in order to buy your insurance policy, then you are phukt at best.

If you think that there is 0% chance that Russia would set its eyes on Finland, then I can understand not wanting to entertain joining NATO. But at the same time, don't expect that option to be there when the troops start amassing along the Finnish/Russian border......
Thank you, Kevin, that is an excellent way of looking at it.
Insurance policy.

We wouldn't want anything to happen to your country....

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APLMAN99 3/8/2022 7:41am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance...
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance policy.

You have insurance proactively in case something happens or you get a disease that you need to fight. The policy then pays for treatment to try to fight the disease or repair your injuries. If you wait until your leg is broken in order to buy your insurance policy, then you are phukt at best.

If you think that there is 0% chance that Russia would set its eyes on Finland, then I can understand not wanting to entertain joining NATO. But at the same time, don't expect that option to be there when the troops start amassing along the Finnish/Russian border......
flarider wrote:
Thank you, Kevin, that is an excellent way of looking at it. Insurance policy. We wouldn't want anything to happen to your country.... [img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/CpcpDSci3ljCU/200.gif[/img]
Thank you, Kevin, that is an excellent way of looking at it.
Insurance policy.

We wouldn't want anything to happen to your country....

It's pretty much the same concept.

Having good health insurance doesn't guarantee that you will beat cancer should you get it, but it should provide the means to at least try to 'defend' your good health and get you back to good. Same with most 'good' mutual defense agreements.

People with no real hereditary or lifestyle risks may want to decide not to get a health insurance contract, and if they do that then they assume the risk on their own.
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Sandvik74 wrote:
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes...
Yea probably so. Don’t know why most of Finnish people and government want’s us to join Nato now. Don’t they understand it’s begging for war? Yes the situation is tense in Europe, but we don’t have a threat at the moment from Russia . Joining Nato would just be poking a bear that is already angry.

Probably most of the people who want’s to join are women because for them it would feel safer to be a Nato country, and they don’t have to be cannon meat at the frontline.
sebastianer wrote:
Yes if we join Nato now we will be sure there will be in war, and also everything is going to be crazy expensive in finland...
Yes if we join Nato now we will be sure there will be in war, and also everything is going to be crazy expensive in finland and the whole contry will be poor fast. I mean 97% of our oil comes from russia 100% of our nataural gasses and also a lot of firewood belive it or not.
97% of oil from Russia. Hahaha
You are making us finns look pretty stupid or do you two work for Kreml?
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needforspeed78 3/8/2022 7:55am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance...
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance policy.

You have insurance proactively in case something happens or you get a disease that you need to fight. The policy then pays for treatment to try to fight the disease or repair your injuries. If you wait until your leg is broken in order to buy your insurance policy, then you are phukt at best.

If you think that there is 0% chance that Russia would set its eyes on Finland, then I can understand not wanting to entertain joining NATO. But at the same time, don't expect that option to be there when the troops start amassing along the Finnish/Russian border......
Thank you for your concern, sir.
But let me tell you that most of the finnish people know or some even remember what the current NATO countries(the big ones atleast) did to help Finland back in 1939 when Soviet Union invaded us. They promised all sorts of help and artillery, but behind the curtains they purposely delayed or declined all the help or made it very difficult to fulfill. So in the end it was only some help from Sweden and Estonia in form of volunteer battalions.
When I was younger(and naive) I used to think that Finland should be part of NATO but it should have been done in the 90´s when Soviet Union collapsed and at the same time when Baltics joined.
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tuggy450 wrote:
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding...
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding Kyiv be handed over.

"We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said.

On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."

He added: "We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.
MotoTribology wrote:
Oh is that all? Huh
Well here is how I look at it. That is their initial set of demands. I'd send Jared Kushface in there and make a deal.

Crimea, well they have that already, so no real loss there.

Donestk and lunghask are predominantly russian separatist people, maybe Independence is not so bad. remain independent for a certain period of time, after which they can do as they please.

Not joining Nato,or the EU? a page back someone claimed they really had no intention of doing so until this event. maybe a neutrality agreement like Switzerland EU agreements; Ukrainian bank accounts.

Demilitarization, is a real sticking point IMO, may be doable with a neutrality agreement ala switzerland, with assurances from east/west so they won't go through it again? keep a second amendment right for the people to bear arms and arm them to the hilt, just no more billion dollar US/western weapons depots

All I am saying is there is your starting point for a diplomatic solution. Or keep fighting displacing people and burying the dead. possibly with enough time, sanctions and carnage, you can strike a better deal, I think It is better for everyone involved to lick their wounds, take the participation trophy and move on, get back to a neutral buffer zone with peace and prosperity. Any other real options?


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Prntscrn wrote:
Maybe some of you have already seen this since it already has 14 millions views, but thought it was worth a share.
Maybe some of you have already seen this since it already has 14 millions views, but thought it was worth a share.

Not real sure the accuracy of this video, but it helped me comprehend a little of what's going on between Russia and the Ukraine. Could someone with insight share some perspective on how accurate this is?
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tuggy450 wrote:
Well here is how I look at it. That is their initial set of demands. I'd send Jared Kushface in there and make a deal. Crimea...
Well here is how I look at it. That is their initial set of demands. I'd send Jared Kushface in there and make a deal.

Crimea, well they have that already, so no real loss there.

Donestk and lunghask are predominantly russian separatist people, maybe Independence is not so bad. remain independent for a certain period of time, after which they can do as they please.

Not joining Nato,or the EU? a page back someone claimed they really had no intention of doing so until this event. maybe a neutrality agreement like Switzerland EU agreements; Ukrainian bank accounts.

Demilitarization, is a real sticking point IMO, may be doable with a neutrality agreement ala switzerland, with assurances from east/west so they won't go through it again? keep a second amendment right for the people to bear arms and arm them to the hilt, just no more billion dollar US/western weapons depots

All I am saying is there is your starting point for a diplomatic solution. Or keep fighting displacing people and burying the dead. possibly with enough time, sanctions and carnage, you can strike a better deal, I think It is better for everyone involved to lick their wounds, take the participation trophy and move on, get back to a neutral buffer zone with peace and prosperity. Any other real options?


Jared Kushner? Seriously?
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tuggy450 wrote:
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding...
"the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding Kyiv be handed over.

"We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said.

On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."

He added: "We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.
MotoTribology wrote:
Oh is that all? Huh
tuggy450 wrote:
Well here is how I look at it. That is their initial set of demands. I'd send Jared Kushface in there and make a deal. Crimea...
Well here is how I look at it. That is their initial set of demands. I'd send Jared Kushface in there and make a deal.

Crimea, well they have that already, so no real loss there.

Donestk and lunghask are predominantly russian separatist people, maybe Independence is not so bad. remain independent for a certain period of time, after which they can do as they please.

Not joining Nato,or the EU? a page back someone claimed they really had no intention of doing so until this event. maybe a neutrality agreement like Switzerland EU agreements; Ukrainian bank accounts.

Demilitarization, is a real sticking point IMO, may be doable with a neutrality agreement ala switzerland, with assurances from east/west so they won't go through it again? keep a second amendment right for the people to bear arms and arm them to the hilt, just no more billion dollar US/western weapons depots

All I am saying is there is your starting point for a diplomatic solution. Or keep fighting displacing people and burying the dead. possibly with enough time, sanctions and carnage, you can strike a better deal, I think It is better for everyone involved to lick their wounds, take the participation trophy and move on, get back to a neutral buffer zone with peace and prosperity. Any other real options?


Basically you're saying they should just give in to Russian demands
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flarider 3/8/2022 8:16am
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UK to ban Russian oil imports.

An announcement on the ban is expected to be made on March 8, Politico reported, citing three British officials.
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flarider wrote:
Basically you're saying they should just give in to Russian demands
Or try to strike a deal they can live with.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance...
I don't think that the 0% and 99% are completely accurate, but when it comes to NATO it should be thought of as a health insurance policy.

You have insurance proactively in case something happens or you get a disease that you need to fight. The policy then pays for treatment to try to fight the disease or repair your injuries. If you wait until your leg is broken in order to buy your insurance policy, then you are phukt at best.

If you think that there is 0% chance that Russia would set its eyes on Finland, then I can understand not wanting to entertain joining NATO. But at the same time, don't expect that option to be there when the troops start amassing along the Finnish/Russian border......
I said ALMOST zero, there is never 0% chance of not war in this world. And yes im aware there are pros and cons of both sides of it. And just because you are a Nato member i don’t think it means you get all the bells and whistles automatically. There are several types of Nato contracts. Correct me if im wrong.

And im pretty sure we would get military equipment help from the EU just like Ukraine does, and they are neihter EU or Nato member.

Im not trying to be an asshole, id just rather enjoy my life than risking being cannon meat because of a Nato membership.
MotoTribology 3/8/2022 8:25am
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flarider wrote:
Basically you're saying they should just give in to Russian demands
tuggy450 wrote:
Or try to strike a deal they can live with.
I'm pretty sure defending their home and giving nothing to the Russians is the deal they can live with.
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flarider 3/8/2022 8:28am
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flarider wrote:
Basically you're saying they should just give in to Russian demands
tuggy450 wrote:
Or try to strike a deal they can live with.
Your neighbor has decided to take your back yard, all of it.

You complained, they killed your wife and kids

So, you'd just say "OK, keep my backyard?"
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MotoTribology 3/8/2022 8:31am
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Your neighbor has decided to take your back yard, all of it. You complained, they killed your wife and kids So, you'd just say "OK, keep...
Your neighbor has decided to take your back yard, all of it.

You complained, they killed your wife and kids

So, you'd just say "OK, keep my backyard?"
You forgot that you'd also be agreeing to get rid of all your weapons and to never call the cops on them in the future as well.
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Elliot 3/8/2022 8:35am
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UK to ban Russian oil imports.

An announcement on the ban is expected to be made on March 8, Politico reported, citing three British officials.
Yes but sadly not gas as I believe the US has.

We're dependant on a lot Russian gas and with prices as they are (through the roof already) it would be tough.

But I suspect that with US & UK banning oil imports Russia might just turn the gas tap off out of spite anyway.
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Muttly 3/8/2022 8:36am
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Not being an ass, but I’ve got to say something. How could the Russians know who’s an Enemy Combatant and who’s a non-threat Civilian?

Are all the Freedom Fighting volunteers uniformed up?

War is a shitty deal.
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peltier626 wrote:
Not real sure the accuracy of this video, but it helped me comprehend a little of what's going on between Russia and the Ukraine. Could someone...
Not real sure the accuracy of this video, but it helped me comprehend a little of what's going on between Russia and the Ukraine. Could someone with insight share some perspective on how accurate this is?
Should be a required video for commenters here. Not sure of the total accuracy, but more insight in that video to the current events than 70+ pages of twitter feeds

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