Business to consumer purchasing

skeef
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*Long winded warning*
I know many of us would love to not use dealers to purchase bikes. This is no slam on dealerships, they do play a role in keeping the industry alive and food on people’s tables. But, with Rumble On purchasing so many dealerships and trying to reinvent the wheel with online purchasing I am sure manufactures are starting to get on board with the idea of B2C.

Checking out the Stark Vargs website where you can "build" the bike to your weight regarding suspension. Is it a popular opinion to hypothetically pay more from the factory for a bike equipped with better suspension components or at least make it an option to add?

Would you pay the same price or more as todays out the door numbers from dealers if it meant you receive a bike with more tailored settings or even better components? i.e. adding GYTR parts to a yz or Powerparts to a ktm from the factory. Not talking about factory editions, more al a carte.

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3/3/2022 12:59pm
skeef wrote:
*Long winded warning* I know many of us would love to not use dealers to purchase bikes. This is no slam on dealerships, they do play...
*Long winded warning*
I know many of us would love to not use dealers to purchase bikes. This is no slam on dealerships, they do play a role in keeping the industry alive and food on people’s tables. But, with Rumble On purchasing so many dealerships and trying to reinvent the wheel with online purchasing I am sure manufactures are starting to get on board with the idea of B2C.

Checking out the Stark Vargs website where you can "build" the bike to your weight regarding suspension. Is it a popular opinion to hypothetically pay more from the factory for a bike equipped with better suspension components or at least make it an option to add?

Would you pay the same price or more as todays out the door numbers from dealers if it meant you receive a bike with more tailored settings or even better components? i.e. adding GYTR parts to a yz or Powerparts to a ktm from the factory. Not talking about factory editions, more al a carte.

I think 99.9% of people would rather have us get the bikes delivered in a crate.
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3/3/2022 1:18pm
skeef wrote:
*Long winded warning* I know many of us would love to not use dealers to purchase bikes. This is no slam on dealerships, they do play...
*Long winded warning*
I know many of us would love to not use dealers to purchase bikes. This is no slam on dealerships, they do play a role in keeping the industry alive and food on people’s tables. But, with Rumble On purchasing so many dealerships and trying to reinvent the wheel with online purchasing I am sure manufactures are starting to get on board with the idea of B2C.

Checking out the Stark Vargs website where you can "build" the bike to your weight regarding suspension. Is it a popular opinion to hypothetically pay more from the factory for a bike equipped with better suspension components or at least make it an option to add?

Would you pay the same price or more as todays out the door numbers from dealers if it meant you receive a bike with more tailored settings or even better components? i.e. adding GYTR parts to a yz or Powerparts to a ktm from the factory. Not talking about factory editions, more al a carte.

I think 99.9% of people would rather have us get the bikes delivered in a crate.
100% so far Tongue
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BigBoreFan58
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3/3/2022 2:17pm
I have little if any love or sympathy for most dealers. It's not my job to keep their doors open. Times change, keep up.

IMO, few dealers add any value to the transactions. They need to figure that out. I'm not talking price, I'm talking value.

The manufacturers won't save us. KTM pushed out their mom and pop shops so they can be just another product line at the local megaplex.

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rbspecial138
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3/3/2022 2:23pm
I just don't see why I need to drive to the dealership and pay $400 in setup, $300 freight and $1000 markup on a bike if I could just pay the freight to have it shipped from distro. to me. What value does the dealer provide that I cannot simply purchase on my couch from Rocky Mountain etc. (and probably for cheaper).

I guess that's a good point, why cant we just buy bikes from Rocky Mountain or Motosport and pick them up at the warehouse?? Sorry for rambling
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3/3/2022 2:34pm
I'm likely going against the grain on this, but I prefer to make large purchases from people or businesses I know. I want to know where my hard earned money is going, and I'm more than happy to keep my business local. There is so much more to factor than just convenience on things like this. Just my 2 cents.
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3/3/2022 2:34pm
The issue now is laws that require pdi checks to be logged with the manufacturer
kb228
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3/3/2022 2:43pm
I'm likely going against the grain on this, but I prefer to make large purchases from people or businesses I know. I want to know where...
I'm likely going against the grain on this, but I prefer to make large purchases from people or businesses I know. I want to know where my hard earned money is going, and I'm more than happy to keep my business local. There is so much more to factor than just convenience on things like this. Just my 2 cents.
Your money is going to japan and austria and china either way….
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Titan1
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3/3/2022 3:19pm
I just don't see why I need to drive to the dealership and pay $400 in setup, $300 freight and $1000 markup on a bike if...
I just don't see why I need to drive to the dealership and pay $400 in setup, $300 freight and $1000 markup on a bike if I could just pay the freight to have it shipped from distro. to me. What value does the dealer provide that I cannot simply purchase on my couch from Rocky Mountain etc. (and probably for cheaper).

I guess that's a good point, why cant we just buy bikes from Rocky Mountain or Motosport and pick them up at the warehouse?? Sorry for rambling
Rocky Mountain owns two dealerships in Utah…I think they cover all major manufacturers between the two dealerships. So you can buy a bike from Rocky Mountain…though not online, not from their warehouse, and it won’t be delivered to your house in a crate.
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ccullins
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3/4/2022 8:14am
State laws won’t allow bikes to not go through and be setup by dealers. The manufactures also require it. Sure some dealers sell bikes in a crate, but those dealers are breaking the terms of their contract with the manufacture. That’s a risk I won’t take.

As far as having a bike built just for you, that’s already being done by TM & Beta. You can order a TM in different configurations and components. For example my son has a 300 4t motocross version ordered with an 18” rear wheel, cooling fan and Ohlins rear shock.

Beta has their Build Your Own Beta program here in the states that has all kinds of aftermarket parts that you can add as well as setup your suspension for you.
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ccullins
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3/4/2022 8:16am
I just don't see why I need to drive to the dealership and pay $400 in setup, $300 freight and $1000 markup on a bike if...
I just don't see why I need to drive to the dealership and pay $400 in setup, $300 freight and $1000 markup on a bike if I could just pay the freight to have it shipped from distro. to me. What value does the dealer provide that I cannot simply purchase on my couch from Rocky Mountain etc. (and probably for cheaper).

I guess that's a good point, why cant we just buy bikes from Rocky Mountain or Motosport and pick them up at the warehouse?? Sorry for rambling
Titan1 wrote:
Rocky Mountain owns two dealerships in Utah…I think they cover all major manufacturers between the two dealerships. So you can buy a bike from Rocky Mountain…though...
Rocky Mountain owns two dealerships in Utah…I think they cover all major manufacturers between the two dealerships. So you can buy a bike from Rocky Mountain…though not online, not from their warehouse, and it won’t be delivered to your house in a crate.
Yep, and that’s what most people don’t understand. The reason they are able to sell OEM parts is because they own regular brick and mortar dealerships. Without those the manufactures wouldn’t sell them OEM parts.
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lumpy790
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3/4/2022 11:12am
At one time TUF used to sell bikes in the crate shipped to your door. TUF is gone now.

How many times have we seen people with a new bike that broke and they were able to take it back to the dealer and they got it taken care of even though there is zero warranty on a dirt bike?

Buy it in a crate with zero PDI and all that goes out the door.
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dcg141
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3/5/2022 6:05am
Stark Vargs may be able to get around the MVC's by not putting VIN numbers on their bikes. Since they are not street legal or require emissions testing then that might be their plan. If that is the case it falls into the same category as a bicycle.
8tensolutions
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3/5/2022 8:02am
I was under the impression Stark was using a dealer network? I do think having options for bikes would be cool, but logistics and cost to manufacturers would likely not pay off as everyone already complains bikes are too expensive. Far too many people cannot put a front wheel on properly, much less PDI a bike. The liability is too high for manufacturers. Many people on this forum could do it, yes, but again there is little benefit for manufactures. Honda won't do it with a Civic, so why would they with a CRF?

Note: You would still pay freight etc. The dealer does not profit on that.

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3/5/2022 8:49am
Im not down with this.
When I was growing up our local dealer was a Kawasaki & Suzuki dealership. In later years it became a Yamaha dealership too.

I have very fond memories of being in the shop, sitting on the KX80, getting off, going to the RM80, and back again because I couldn't make up my mind which one we would be going home with. Repeat with 100s, 125s, 250s and so on.. It was a very special time.

The process of buying a new bike in the US does seem more complicated, adding on set up fees etc, it doesn't make much sense to me. In the UK, the price on the label on the front plate is what you pay. No add ons.
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moto162
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3/5/2022 1:50pm
lumpy790 wrote:
At one time TUF used to sell bikes in the crate shipped to your door. TUF is gone now. How many times have we seen people...
At one time TUF used to sell bikes in the crate shipped to your door. TUF is gone now.

How many times have we seen people with a new bike that broke and they were able to take it back to the dealer and they got it taken care of even though there is zero warranty on a dirt bike?

Buy it in a crate with zero PDI and all that goes out the door.
Used to get all my bike from there in crates. Both when antolak and rusty/Stacey owned it. Loved it!
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CPan
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3/5/2022 2:02pm
I don’t mind dealers, but I’d love to be able to order a stripped down version of my bike. I have so many Rubbermaid totes of stock parts that I save for no reason. Give me a motor, frame, swingarm, suspension, and wiring harness. I’ll build the rest.
3/5/2022 2:17pm
If the membership of vital is any indication the level of mechanical ability, there is no way they should be getting their bikes in a crate. If you read some of the basic stuff they come on vital to ask there is no way they will set up a bike correctly and they will really be crying when things break. Laughing but then again most Vitards don't even race.Pinch

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